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Thje bottom line is the only QB who can get us into the playoffs is a rejuvinated Trent Edwards. Now I'm extremely sceptical that Trent will ever shake the injury bug & that no matter how good he looks at times he's a hit away from being out for a while, but anyone who has bought into the Brian Brohm charade is only fooling himself. Not only wouldn't I name Brohm #1, I'd cut him now, because sooner or later, he's headed back to the waiver wire. I know Gailey can't do it now & he'll be given a chance, but I believe he has a better chance of not making the team than starting. If he does start, it means Gailey thinks the other guys are just bad, not that Brohm is any good. Dream all you want, but Brian Brohm will never win you games in the NFL. If he's the starter this year, pencil in Jake Locker or Christian Ponder as our top pick & starter in 2011.

Jamarcus Russell's rights? He has the right to remain silent. Anything he says can and will be used against him in a court of law. He has the right to an attorney- since he was paid millions by the Raiders, he cannot claim he can't afford one, so he'll have to appoint one himself.

A team that is committed to rebuilding through the draft does not sign 40 year old retread QBs.

Over the years I've been pretty optimistic -just check my preseason predictions vs the Bills final record to see how overly optimistic I've been. So, you can't label me an annual pessimist. This year I can't see more than 4 wins & it could be a lot worse than that. People who think Jauron was the worst coach ever are blinded by their somewhat unfair assessment of Jauron & his staff. Chan Gailey & his staff have yet to prove he can do any better. Recordwise, I can't see how this team could possibly win 6 games unless our December opponents lie down after a quarter like Indy did. Anyone who cites last year's 6 wins & concludes we can't do worse is delusional. Last year we got very lucky in 5 of those 6 wins. An unbiased observer would have to conclude Jauron/Fewell squeezed as many wins out of that team as was humanly possible. When we have a worse record this year, "Jauron is the worst" people will realize that Jauron had some pretty good assistants and overall, the coaching staff wasn't nearly as bad as they're making them out to be. A lot of them found employment quickly once the Bills set them free. It's amazing how similar to 2001 this season looks at this point. Donahoe & Gregg were pretty good at bashing Wade & his staff & there were a lot of posters buying into it back then. They, like the 2010 versions of them, have blindly accepted that the team can't be worse & will have better coaching. That team screamed REBUILDING and had a very similar QB group, led by an injury prone QB given one last chance, just like the 2010 team. Another reason for my thoughts on the probability of a poor 2010 record: Teams changing their offense & defensive systems as radically as the Bills are doing typically get off to very poor starts without a MAJOR upgrade at QB. Lou Saban I was 0-5 in his 1st 5 games when he took over the Bills his 1st season here. Joe Gibbs I was 0-5 in his 1st 5 games when he took over the Redskins his 1st season there. Chan Gailey has a long way to go to be compared with either one of them. Anyone expecting more than 1 win in our 1st 5 games is not an optimist-they're dreamers.

While I believe Trent Edwards can play at a high level at times, and might just be the most talented QB on the roster, sooner or later he's going to get injured. You just can't count on him. Also the W-L record last year vs Fitzpatrick's W-L record is troublesome.

The sooner Brohm is cut, the earlier the Brohm charade ends.

Your choice for starter hasn't played well in ANY NFL game. So at least the one game people have something to justify their choice. The "he isn't Edwards or Fitzpatrick" choice is even lamer than chosing a guy based on one game.

This thread is stupid, the Bills aren't trading Lee Evans.

If Fitzpatrick starts: 6-10 If Edwards starts: 5-11 If Brohm starts 2-14 If Brown starts 1-15

The simple answer is there is no way the Bills would have made it to the Super Bowl with Rob Johnson at QB. I did a study of RJ's career a few years ago & reached one indisputable conclusion-Rob Johnson's best games were off long periods where he didn't play. They came after either a return from a benching or an injury, or after a bye week. There was no way Rob Johnson was going to play 3 or 4 consecutive weeks at a level needed to advance in the playoffs. You can look it up, the more Rob Johnson played, the worse he got. He was similar to a racehorse who performs best with a lot of spacing between races.

Jordan left the Bulls twice & reentered the league after the 2nd time with the Washington Wizards. Russell was the only one who played with the same team. Russell was treated poorly by a lot of racist fans in his days with Boston, including a break in at his home with someone defecating on his bed. If Russell could have left Boston in the 1960s he would have left. Kareem? Are you kidding? He forced a trade from his original team, the Milwaukee Bucs, to play with the Lakers. I find it amazing all the "heat" 25 year old LeBron James is getting. How many people here have moved away from their home areas to either enhance their careers, get warmer or just wanted something different? I've had 3 different home areas. When I was 25 I didn't want to be living anywhere near where I grew up. Maybe LeBron just doesn't want to spend that much time in Ohio. Finally, the owner's letter sounds like it's from a guy who is out of his mind. He bought the team after LeBron got there & suddenly he wakes up owning something worth a lot less. I'm sure he wasn't thinking of loyalty each time he cut a player or fired a coach. He's in a business, he knows the risks. He's dealing with it like a 5 year old kid, and that might be insulting all 5 year olds.

Because he was their insurance policy for 2009 & the only one who could come in as the 3rd stringer who knew their system. The brohm fans make excuses for his lousy Atlanta game saying he didn't know our system well enough, but can't grasp the idea that GB wanted 3 QBs who knew their system that late in the season. The fact that GB waived him in September, when another guy could take his place on the practice squad shows they didn't care if they lost him. By November nobody could fill his insurance place on GB's roster or practice squad-too late in the season. If they thought he had any future they could have EXCEEDED our offer. The fact they only tried to match our 1 1/4 season contract should tell you they were only interested in keeping their insurance policy of a guy who knew their system through 2009.

Not 2nd round QBs. Notice how nobody could successfully answer the question posed earlier about 2nd round QBs. It's not the Packers' roster decision that they only kept only 2 QBs that tells the story, it's the fact that a high profile QB 1 year removed from being a 2nd round pick got waived and not a single team put in a claim. It's the fact that when GB decided to keep 2 QBs they couldn't get any team to give them a pick for Brohm before he went on waivers. The Brohm fans who "liked him in college" keep spinning it to fit their story, but the fact that nobody wanted Brohm last September is pretty hard to ignore. Guys who flourish elsewhere are not high profile 2nd rounders, cut early in their careers. They are late round to free agent afterthoughts, cut to keep the 2nd round busts around a little longer. I commend GB for having the guts to waive a 2nd round bust & not dragging it out any longer at the expense of a guy who GB could keep who would have flourished elsewhere. Now the Brohm fans want him to start because he's the only one of the 3 contenders with limited NFL starts & they think, without any evidence, that he could be better than the 2 guys who started last year. He could also be a lot worse, but they'd rather let him stink up the joint and prove to them what GB & the rest of the league already figured out. Why not go one step further, let's go get another Arena guy, hope he becomes the starter, because he too has not proven in a real NFL game that he can't be a quality NFL starter. At best he can be the next Warner, at worst the next Brohm.

Did you know that 12 of the 44 Super Bowls winners have been quarterbacked by a player selected with the 1st pick in the entire draft? Considering the natural odds of one draft spot producing the winning QB over 27% of the time in Super Bowls, flaming out in the right year can be quite lucrative. In the right year 2-14 is infinitely better than 5-11.

A player who is drafted in the 2nd round & traded the next off season for a 1st round pick isn't a bust. A player who is a 2nd round pick & is waived a year later is a bust. One player was regarded highly enough to get a 1st round pick, one player was regarded so poorly around the league that no team even put in a waiver claim-HUGE difference. If the Dolphins or Jets had picked off a bust QB from another team's practice squad & he had a chance to end up their starter a few months later, everyone on this board would be laughing at them and making jokes how bad their QB situation is. The best chance for Brian Brohm to solve the franchise QB problem the Bills have is to emerge as the best of this sorry group, stink up the joint & get us a top pick in the 2011 draft, because there's no way Brohm will ever be a franchise QB. unless that franchise is in the UFL or Arena5.

Brohm's best will be in the UFL.

Fitzpatrick will still be in the NFL when Brohm gets the job coaching his high school. In fact, I expect Fitzpatrick to still be on the Bills, long after Brohm hangs up his Bills uniform for the final time. Of the 4 QBs on the roster, the only one I'm sure will be here in 2011 is Fitzpatrick.

I have the opposite opinion but there are times I can agree with you. Here are the two best examples. If the Bills are in contention for a team changing player, have a few wins & losing out guarantees the ability to draft that player, I don't want them to win & make a bad season even worse by just missing out on a sure thing. I'm talking Bruce Smith, Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning types. Now they don't come along every year, but say a guy like Jake Locker has a great senior year & is viewed in the Manning/Aikman class. The last thing I want to do is beat the Jets & lose out on getting a guy who can win my team the Super Bowl. One win in a totally lost season isn't worth it. On the other hand, if there is no clear cut sure thing who the Bills will miss out on by winning that final game. I'll root for the team. Even though it was against scrubs, last season's finale was very enjoyable to watch, I loved watching the game in the snow and had no concerns about who the Bills would draft that afternoon. Sometimes the best thing to do is just lose 1 more game, sometimes it doesn't matter. Like a gambler betting on games, sometimes you have to pick your spots. If we have a chance at an almost sure thing by losing to the Jets, all I can say during that last game is J-E-T-S Jets, Jets, Jets....then 2 years from now, I can watch the BILLS in the Super Bowl & not the Jets, NE or Miami.

I bank with SEFCU & have been pretty happy. Last month I moved some money into a CD & got charged a $15 fee for being under a required balance on the account I closed. It took about a minute on the phone to get the $15 back into my account. Around here SEFCU has many locations, including at a supermarket 2 miles from my house. They have Saturday & Sunday hours at that branch. In the past I've been able to borrow money from them easily. I opened an account with them 12 years ago & got an unsecured loan for over $14,000 the next day, I had never banked with them before that. When it came time to buy a new car 10 years ago, I got pre-approved for over $30,000 & had no problems with my car purchase. Also got a mortgage 7 years ago that was easy too-however, I locked into a rate that I got stuck with after rates went down between the lock-in & the closing date. Checking is easy too. I can go on-line and transfer $ between accounts with the click of a mouse.

The tailgate is usually in the same location, Pinto Kenny will be there. He described it to me as the lot behind the Liquor store because of the big "Liquor" sign is easy to spot. It's past the eastern end of the stadium area on Rt 1 going towards Boston.

I decided to go alone. For 1 ticket all one needs to do is go on to the Ticketmaster site for that game. I got a ticket in the upper deck near midfield for $104.80 including the printing at home fee. You can't get more than 1 ticket this way. However, I've had a good experience with Stub Hub getting Yankee World Series tickets last year. Stub Hub has decent multiple tickets for sale, but once you get away from Standing Room & Upper Corners, they get pricy. For Upper Corners, you'd pay close to what I paid, for seats near midfield, even in the upper deck it's about $200 each.

Miami did it with a proven NFL caliber starting QB, whose main weakness was staying healthy, who managed to stay healthy the entire year. If they had stuck with the QBs on the roster during mini-camp they would have been lucky to have won 4 games. We don't have anybody who can hold a healthy Pennington's jock at QB. Look at where Miami is 3 years later-they're still no better than the 3rd best team in the division. 9-7 this year & still only 3rd best team in the division 3 seasons from now is unacceptable. I want to be a Super Bowl contender, not a playoff contender, in 3 years.

I've watched football for over 45 years. I know a 1st year rebuild with new offensive & defensive systems when I see it. I've also learned a team isn't built in a day. This team has a lot of holes. A realist fan is not always a pessimist. As San Jose said in another thread, it can be very enjoyable watching a bad team grow into a good team over the course of a few seasons. It's time to remember the goal is to play in and win the Super Bowl, not be satisfied because the Bills won the game you watched even though they lost 2 or 3 times as many games by the end of the season. 7 wins this year would be an improvement. I find 7 win seasons unacceptable. I'd rather my team totally stink a season or two & win a Super Bowl a couple of years later than 3-4 years from now be a team that sneaks into the playoffs every year & never has a chance of getting by the 1st or 2nd round. So the way I see it, this team is undermaned at C, OT, QB, WR on offense. I don't care if Chan Gailey has done a lot with little, he doesn't even have little with all the holes on the offense. Chan can't work miracles, he can only get the best out of players & the best our QBs & OTs can give might still result in a very poor offense. If one or 2 young WRs can prove they're NFL players & we can get a QB & LT in the next offseason, there's cause for a lot of optimism-next year, not this year. The team is switching to a totally new defense with question marks about the NT, DE, & the former DEs switching to LB has a lot of room for improvement. If a foundation can be formed on defense, the future could look bright. Right now our goal should be watching players who will be around for a Super Bowl run, not getting on the case of people who think the W-L record is going to be dismal. The odds are pretty good the record will be dismal. If it's the 1st year of a rebuild, so be it. Here's something to think about. In the 1990s I used to look at old programs from the mid 80s & see how many of the guys on our really bad teams were destined to play in the Super Bowl as Bills. The 1984 team had 2 guys who made it, 1985's team had 7, and the 1986 team had 16. That 1986 team had almost 1/3 of the Super Bowl teams, yet still won only 4 games-with Jim Kelly. How many of the current Bills could be on a Super Bowl team in 3-4 years? Here's my estimate: QB -none; RB Spiller; WR Evans, Easley; TE Nelson; OL: Wood, Levitre, Meredith, Wang, Calloway; DL: Troup, Williams, Carrington; LB: Batten, Posluszny, Maybin(?), DB: Corner, Langster, McGee, McKelvin, Byrd, 1 more who stays among vets. So my total is 21, about 40% of a potential future Super Bowl team. Take 2-3 away for the optimism I have on this rookie class & it would be closer to 1/3rd. A little better numbers for the 2010 team over the 4-12 1986 team, but that team had future HOFers at QB & DE, and some more wall of famers. If I conclude 4 to 5 wins for this team, it doesn't make me a pessimist if I have an eye towards the future. The optimists around here who are thinking they have to win every week, even though they know they won't will look at the small picture, "feel good" the week the Bills win that 4th game and miss the bigger picture. As I've said before, Herm Edwards had it all wrong, you don't "play to win the game" you play to win the Championship. The record a year, 2, or 3 years before that championship becomes irrelevant when you've got the Lombardi Trophy.

Interesting that last year Philly had 2 good backup QBs and McNabb as the starter. If Vick gets cut they're down to 4th round rookie Mike Kafka & UFA rookie Joey Elliott as their backups. I wonder if Garcia would get re-signed by the Eagles if Vick is cut.

More current & closer to where Johnson was picked, I like it. Kamil Loud has more meaning to me personally because I once got the regional manager at our Batavia office po'd at me for an e-mail string that Petrino started. Now if you know Petrino, the e-mails can get very strange. In Loud's day Petrino used to post his Ode To Kamil Loud on this board. To make a long story short, this e-mail string had reached the ridiculous point where I had Kamil Loud in the press box with dynamite strapped to his body threatening to blow up the stadium if the Bills cut him. What I didn't know, because I didn't read all the recipients was Petrino had copied in all the people he knew in Batavia, including the regional manager, since he was also a Bills' fan. I got a reply from him that said something like this "Why don't you get back to work and leave my people alone so they can work too."