YellowLinesandArmadillos

My two cents: I thought McCain handled himself well on Foreign Policy. However, he was a little too accusatory of Obama's lack of finesse. I think it showed through without McCain's acerbic accusations. OBama handled himself better on the economy but took long enough to get to things he would cut. Both sides took a lot of punches once they got going and towards the end it just got boring. P.S. I am not sure if it was the camera angle, but did you notice that McCain never looked at Obama and called him Senator Obama throughout and Obama often called McCain by his first name. McCain looked pissed off to even be in a debate with this guy. Could be his face is just frozen that way, but even his attempt at smiling seemed forced. Obama's though fake, looked much more relaxed.

Get your isms correct. Socialism has more intervention than laissez faire capitalism, but it is still based in capitalistic principals and government supplies certain services, but it is not a price setter by and large. The opposite of capitalism is communism. Socialism is on the continuum closer to communism similar to laissez faire capitalism is closer to machiavellian economics. Understand the difference.

Now we got it going on this board, bout time, Actually missed this kind of back and forth. I think I might lurk for a while and just enjoy

10 Days to over react to a crisis and then not be part of a solution or be irrelevant. This is rich. Way to go, suddenly McCain is making even Bush look like he has his @#$@#$ together.

Republicans try and goad Pelosi into passing bill without bi-partisan support. I am not a Pelosi supporter but Bush called for this to happen, not Pelosi and for House Republicans not to come to the table tells me they are only playing politics and don't have a clue what kind of fire they are playing with. Unbelievable, these guys are living in a dream world. When the banks fail in their small towns it will be on their heads and P.S. Where is McCain's leadership. It sure doesn't help the Washington Mutual Collapsed last night. He could have helped reach out to these idiots..."mavericks" He was the one who called this importance of this and now he is largely absent from the debate and the Republican's have some tax break plan as a solution... goooood. Now the one thing that could occur is if no other banks fail between no and November, House Republicans can say, see this was the WH blowing smoke again and we stood up to Bush. Doubtful, helluv a risk, but with Wall Street flaking out any bad news is going to now blamed on them. The could have ducked put some amendments they wanted on the table, tax breaks, certain oversight... Whatever, but walking away from the table makes them look like ignorant tools. Bad decision and the press, WH and Dems are vilifying them for it with McCain nowhere to be seen.

I want to see your eyes, they gotta be brown, because you up to your neck in OXY Boy responses.

Typical inside Washington dirty pool by McCain camp. But why should this surprise you.

That is not quite what I said... he has a plan, but he hasn't been concise about it and it comes across as more of the McSame, not something the public wants to hear. Additionally, he hasn't been able to both differentiate himself from Bush and stick to his principles in a way that he can sell. It is both the message thing and the vision thing, mostly the vision thing, he hasn't been able to express it well.

The Wilder effect... I think there is some truth in both what you say and what the previous poster put forward. I do think Palin's rw attitudes and flip-flops on pork issues has helped her. The nagging inexperience should McCain kick the bucket can't help. And McCain's nasty campaign ads and tactics that have been dogged by the media as dishonest. On the other side Obama attacks haven't helped, but he has been consistent on the economic front. I don't agree with him on the tax issue, but he appears to have a plan and McCain just talks about a nefarious reform idea that we have all heard before and even there it appear that he is inconsistent. That can't help him. Interestingly, by Obama remaining low key has helped him, despite the obvious inexperience he has on a lot of things, his message has been much more concise. McCain's struggle has been to separate himself from Bush, yet still support unpopular Republican economic principals. His curmudgeon style hasn't helped. I think Romney's positive upbeat style, knowledge and experience would have been a much better pick for him and would have made McCain competitive in the NE, in states such as MA and CT.

Address the root problem, now there is a novel idea! But then the fat cats on Wall Street wouldn't get any benefits.

Tell that to our wives... Ha agree, but you will never convince the other side of the gender gap.

Agreed and it wasn't as nefarious as some suggest... although there was some of that, it had more to do with everyone trying to grab a piece of the pie while ignoring the consequences of the pie being all ready being gone and no one cooking any more pies. Best analogy I could come up with....

I am not sure I understand all the subtleties of this legislation, but there doesn't to appear to have been any hearings on it let alone a vote. Also Sen. McCain signed on as a co-sponsor a year after the last major action on the legislation was taken. So I find the article highly suspect. Check out this link to all the info on the legislation provided by the Library of Congress http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s.00190: There is is not a lot there and if a bill has traction, usually there is more action. I would be interested if in reading the text someone could tell what this consolidation the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae would actually accomplish. And what preventing them from "participating in certain securities" would actually do. Finally, I did a quick search on Thomas and found a miriad of bills including an Amendment by Hagel that was rolled into 2005 Budget Recon Bill requiring Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to register under security trading laws S.1932 that was later withdrawn. Since the Republicans were in charge at this point, I am surprised something wasn't done if they felt that strongly about it. It appears that a lot of legislation was introduced and considered to deal with issues concerning Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Yes, Dems have been strong supporters not because of political support from those organizations but because they believed that as many people as possible should have access to home ownership when the economy was booming for so many. What I don't think anyone counted on was the surge in home prices and how that affected the amount of the loans requested, the types of illegitimate loans (high interest) leveraging people ill equipped to afford them in the first place. Democrats, who traditionally call for oversight and regulation were only calling for it as it related to predatory loan interest rates, but not very often for oversight of Fannie and Freddie Mae. Republicans certainly were not going to limit these loans, they just wanted to eliminate Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae because they were not their political friends. So no one's motives in this thing is clean and no one appears to have written any legislation in 2005 to address the whole problem, only legislation on politically expedient parts.

I am not sure what he was intimating, but I wouldn't go that far. Carville is at least an American by birth. Hitchens is a fricken limey infiltrator. Seriously, taking any of these campaign guys too seriously tells me something about someone's judgment. Even Carville doesn't, don't know enough about Hitchens. And regarding your last quote about corruptness, I think all people have a bit of it in their hearts. It just depends on how much. That is the hard part to judge.

If I thought it would mean something maybe... If is close in NY, I definitely don't want McDole, if not I will plan on sending a message.

If they can keep him off board like this one, because he is causing them to lose votes... My problem is that as a lifelong Dem, I am leaning either towards a nonsensical write in or toward someone like Ron Paul (redundant with the previous clause) who I know is certifiable, but how is that any different the current two parties themselves.

If you can't reason with this clown, I don't know who can. I try to listen to different folks, but getting dismissed is not a discussion and as someone asked me a couple of weeks ago, are you done beating you head against the wall. He is a useless tool of what kind I am not sure, because I don't think the party he claims to support wants him.

McDole!

Now, Now, nice internet craziness. This is not true. Maybe Paulson has proposed this, but I doubt it has administration approval, it is not law yet and I seriously doubt Congress will approve. Remember your separation of powers. Congress writes tihe laws, this is just a proposal and I am not sure where it comes from, but even if it gets sent to Capitol Hill in a draft, it will (if legitimate, I doubt) be used as a reference doc and that about it. It is not a piece of legislation, let alone a law. Please, the WH nor the Congress would never give up that kind of power... the previous post doesn't pass the smell test.

In this case it is advocating violence and directing it at a particular individual so I am not sure it is protected.

So what your saying is McCain is a necrophiliac

So what is this, the tighty righties have gotten together this morning for a koombaya sesson?

There is nothing liberal or for that matter conservative christian about this statement. Idiots who makes statements like this should be banned from all media.... disgusting.

Sorry my finger never did catch up with what I wanted to say. Now I figure it is unimportant considering I can't remember exactly, fatherhood disease. Real incentive non directly, but spending creates deficits, especially under Republicans causing a drag on the economy lowering my earning power regardless of my tax level. I am sure there are others and having to pay taxes is much more of tangible incentive but there are incentives, just not as understandable. Kind of like the tax code.

Oh really? Except for Cheney, because of Bush's lack of competence, that is exactly what the VP is. I forget who said this, but it goes something like this... Hello my name is.... Vice President of the United States, shakes the person's hand in front of him and asks what the VP's duties are and is told he just did them. Ah, and what is McCain??? In fact Hagel has an impressive Vietnam Record and knows a little about the military and foreign policy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel I don't think your argument makes anyone more comfortable with Palin, especially considering McCain's aging health and the toll the Presidency puts on you. Though if they can keep the Dark Lord(Cheney) alive, I suppose they can keep anyone going.