colin

krazykat, are you wys from wys wings? your analysis is horrible and and you are prolly insane. as a rook, compare how trent did vs the bills average, and adjust the bad weather games by how far off their norms the opponents were. your point about the coaches effing jp by putting him into an O that hurts him is both retarded and wrong. jp's only close to good season was 06, and his numbers (with inflated accuracy and QER numbers) only came about because in most of the games jp only passed 12-19 times. and he STILL got sacked and fumbled and threw picks with a high frequency. a couple good games against horrible oppnents (like cincy this past season) then overwhelms the fewer number of attempts against sub terribe teams. jp's success in 06 came because our coaches made sure they never gave him enough rope to hang himself with.

jp's only good games comes when he has zero pressure on him, or is constrained greatly by the gameplan. he's a lesser qb than rj. remember in his second season when he was the starter, how did it take for him to throw for 200 in one game? and holcomb came in and did it regularly. he passed for 75 yards against atl, and threw away a game against NO who got the 2nd overall pick that year. he's awful.

i feel that way too. imo our entire front 7 tend to shoot gaps and run after the ball. based on that you need to look at them all together, and i think our front 7 has a good shot at being very good this year.

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as a football fan i want to see favre on the vikings putting up huge numbers. as a bills fan i want to see him lose to the cowpukes in the nfc championship and then the cowgirls lose the BILLS in the big dance with romo the homo getting sacked 8 times and throwing 8 picks.

again, i agree w the ranking but to start last season we had no back up DEs and that's a big part of our D. we now have denney, ellis, and sometimes johnson. we went from tripps and willaims to johnson and williams being back ups and mccargo and stroud starting. we are much much better at the D line. we also are up Poz who is more mature and not hurt, and mitchell over coy friggen wire. that means the guys playing front 7 are better at between 4 and 6 spots depending on who's rotating in. so you can rank each unit how you like, but our run D should be miles better this season. akc, didn't you make a big deal about drafting D linemen early = good team, but then it turned out that that's not really true?

prolly fair until we prove otherwise. they really like the 3-4 lines, having 5 of them in the top 8 or so. the pats and chargers are friggen HUGE at the 3 line. i wonder if they get dinged up and slowed down too much at any point. as bad as we've tended to be i think we are good at running on the 3 man lines, if we can keep marshawn on the feild for more downs so it isn't obvious when we run or pass i think w can exploit the slowness of most 3-4 teams, and we play plenty of them.

i think favre on a new team (minni really) could get the spark he needs, but on the pack he would prolly fall apart late again.

maybe so in terms of clutch kicks and so on, but statistically lindell is tops. good unit all around. imo with mccorner in there we will have the fresh legs to vie for #1 in both punt and kick returns.

ummmm, yeah. how many teams have gone 10+ years without a single quarterback of the caliber of any of those guys? we had one good year with flute and one good year with bledsoe, but over all i'd say any one of those would have been a big upgrade.

very interesting situation. i think minni would be the best spot for favre (perhaps not likely tho). he would instantly make them a top 3 team in the NFC. 9 games in a dome could give favre a 5K season too! as far as greenbay goes, i think rogers is a good young qb, and i really think brohm is a stud in the making. if these guys pan out the qb's out of greenbay will be favre bulger warner aaron brookes brohm rogers brohm which is insane.

obie wan and akc will say that since he is on offense, we can't use his (and leftwich, and others) being on the jags as evidence of the infalibility of the jags talent evaluation and personal dept. clearly stroud is garbage because they let him go.

think chargers are a bit high (i dunno, maybe? tough) and otherwise it's about fair. if hardy comes on strong he will improve our whole passing game and maybe get us up 10 spots. if he gets some attention in the flats or down the seem evans could just explode for a 90 catch 1700 yard (serious) season.

a fair ranking and i think we close the season half a dozen spots up where we started. just a little better passing and our giant line being together could mean we get an extra 4 or 5 attempts in the first half. that would make opposing D's battered and bruised in the 2nd half, and marshawn could destroy guys in that situation.

the question remains -- what would you have done? also -- our FO could have gone after any of the big DTs available for trade but chose stroud. are you that sure that they eff'ed that up and went for a washed up guy when other players were out there? dj picking over his old player shuan rogers makes me think he has a better idea of who is over the hill or not.

obie wan, i just disagree. i don't think peters is holding out from ota's because he is willing to accept some middle of the road thing. he's pushing hard to get the big big money, and he won't resign until he gets it. i say let him earn it this season, and then rip up 2 years on his contract. walter jones was a hold out for like 4 or 5 probowl years in seattle, at worst we can do that w peters. i think 3 years is too much to rip up after one good (albeit very good) season, especially since the 3 years left is from a recent re up.

akc, we ditched trip, traded for stroud, signed johnson and extended williams. we also drafted ellis. we upgraded/added 3 guys to our front 4, and signed mitchell and got poz back from injury. that's 5 new guys from the end of last year in the front 7. we wanted to get bigger and we did. what would you have had us do, spend our first 2 picks on the dl as well, so that we ignore huge cb and wr needs in order to add 7 guys to the front 7? there's more to a team than the dl, and it's not like we didn't upgrade ours.

ok bill, so you think there is no reason to consider his existing contract status at all? he's not coming cheap, not near dock money, not anything like that. he's going to want 35+ up front and something like 70 for 7 years. obviously he's a good player and important to our team, but we have the strength here, if we want we can have him for 5 more seasons using the existing contract and franchise tags. i think we should let him earn te big bucks this season. bill, you seem to be opperating under the assumption that our options are throw a ton of money at him now, or watch him walk. he's not in his contract year so that's not the case.

i don't agree with it all, but good post and thread IMO. i think @jax is gonna suck, but we've played them well (last year we were in it until the end and give jones drew fits, and our pass rush had gerrard on lock, jp decided to give the game away with his usual horrible late play). seattle is HORRIBLE on the road, particularly to the east coast. on D they have a good secondary (very good?) and a fast undersized pass rushing front 7. our O line is a rock vs pass rushing fronts, and will be able to push them around in the run (small linebackers on the road vs marshawn at home? i like lynch). on the flip side we've added a bit to our coverage ability and are playing against a team with meh and banged up WRs and no RB talent. the o line as it says above for the seachickens is hurt and we have put a ton of guys close to the ball on D, i expect hassleback to get beaten up pretty bad. i think we win and look good hosting seattle.

bill, you are missing the forest for the trees on peters here. he has 3 years left on his contract, we own his ass. he is going to play as hard as he can for us this year. if we really love how he plays this season, and we address all of our other big FA's (evans really), then yeah we give him the bank and lock him up for 7 years. if he gets hurt or falters, then we still have him for 2 more years, and he'll be trying to show that he hasn't fallen off and the one bad year was just a fluke. we just don't need to resign him now bill, we could but we don't need to. the guy you compare him too, the great walter jones, he was a camp missing malcontent (well, from a contract point of view) who was franchised what, 3 years in a row? he then signed a long term deal. what the fo is gonna do is use up as much cash to cap as they can this year on quality guys (williams, and prolly evans) and with a fresh bundle next season sign peters (if he's awesome again, and yeah i think he will be) and crow or somebody (maybe an FA WR). besides being an OL enthusiast do you have a real reason for the bills to extend peters today? don't say we can get him cheaper that way, his agent knows the game better than we do and will not let his star client get less than top dollar.

the way ppl here talk about difference makers and the cover 2 makes me laugh sometimes. aaron gets blasted, but is considered amoung the very best in the nfl by insiders, and our other "slow white" DEs are all considered solid. our D needs fresh linemen -- they run a track meet going after the ball and qb. you want 6 guys who could all be legit starters and 2 or 3 backups who can play and have a shot at being top dogs. williams is good at times, but yes did get mashed around at times as well. i think our staff knows if he will grow (lots of bigmen come on later in their careers -- it's just how it is). look at the indy line and D, they had very few sacks and lots of injuries, and their d line is tiny --BUT they were the number one D in terms of scoring. this is what depth and a rotation can do for you. people arguing for a few number of super giant linemen (like NE, sandiego, and now the browns) don't realize how that isn't as important for our D, how you need a different mix of talent to work with that, and how a single injury can just get you. even new england who has a ridiculous line wore out by the end of the season. those big animals were just dominant in the first 5 games, but late in the year they were just tired. the giants and colts seemed to improve with their speed and aggression advantage, but of course the colts just lost too many guys. the great d we had under gregg williams was an example of the super vet idea -- we had the best 11 by far but losing just one or two guys hurt us too much. i'd much rather have a deep mix of youth and vets.

phat pat used to sub for big ted, and johnson subbed for phat pat and k williams. tell me on the giants line who starts at what possy, and who makes an impact at what possy. our d has our linemen running to the ball and at the passer much more than many other nfl d's, we need lots of guys who can play.

all we need (if our D and ST are on point) is to control games and put the ball in the zone. this is what pitts does (and has done). they intend to control and play smash mouth, but mix it up and go pass crazy once in a while. a great open O can be spectacular, but at some point you tend to take more risk than is ideal. with a couple of strong backs, a giant O line, and hopefully a couple WRs who can go deep (evans, parish) or short (reed, hardy) we really are best off being in ball control mode the majority of the time. if we turn a few 3's into 7s, and on D a few 7's into 3s, and long drives into punts, we can be a team that no one wants to play.

m williams was over 5 years ago.

by the way most guys rate an nfl qb, there are about 10 catagories that have more or less equal measure. jp has athletic ability, arm power, and deep ball (seperate from the power as he really does have great touch on the bombs). so he smokes 3 of those catagories, but is bad to terrible in all the others. the issue is he hasn't really done much to improve those other areas. the accuracy issue isn't necessarily about the % of passes jp completes, but where he puts the pass when he throws it. he flat out misses open WRs (as in doesn't see them) and ends up getting sacked, fumbling, or throwing picks when there was a play there. he is poor at reading the d, and really has negative body language when we get down early. if he was a kordel stewart type (altho kordel eventually wanted to be the man) who came in as qb or even an other back on some plays, and ran gadgets that were either him running or throwing a missle deep i think he would be a great additional weapon. he just isn't a qb tho.