colin

my argument with you isn't about how clever the joke is (frankly i think it was poorly executed, a few ideas on this thread would have been much funnier. they left a lot of racist humor on the table, NOW THAT'S OFFENSIVE!) but that it is and can certainly be satire and it shouldn't be considered offensive. as a corollary, i think you found this offensive and felt the need to loudly proclaim it as such (and flash the all important good guy badge) because of some latent political correctness/white guilt.

it's not the pic per se, it's the idea of a supporting obama t shirt actually making fun of him. like in 04 someone made flip flops with kerry's name on it -- clearly it was a joke making fun of his positions by spoofing nick nacks promoting the candidate. i'm not saying what or why the shirt was made, but the above is a plausible reaon why someone would make one as a joke. the point is GG's criteria of something being totally offensive to every human alive or not offensive based on the minutia of some context is insane. like an above poster said, it can be racist, funny, offensive, not offensive, or some combination to different people in different amounts. it's just a joke, people getting but hurt about it do so due to personal issues with the topics at hand and white guilt.

YOU'RE NOT EVEN A PERSON IN THE 21ST CENTURY!!!11 SAVE US FROM THE RACISM OBAMA!!! SAVE US!!!

about stereotypes -- muslims as terrorists is perhaps the most popular stereo type around today. about satire: could they not be satiring the rampant euphoria of students and what not saying obama is the messiah and will finally lead american into the promised land? young people are on obama's jock like CRAZY, and this shirt looks like a bit of a spoof of the grass roots support he is getting. so again, based on your criteria, if there is this backdrop to this t shirt then it is in fact satire and not offensive, otherwise people who aren't offended aren't even people in the 21st century. so either you are insane and have a rediculous critera for determining satire from insults, or you are back tracking a little bit from pounding your chest showing off your shiny good guy badge (TEH OFFENSEEVE TO TEH EVERYONEZ IN TEH CENTURAY!!).

no, but based on your criterea they are homophobic and not people in the 21st century if they don't find it offensive.

you didn't say that the obama joke COULD be found offensive, you said it WAS offensive. you said it should be offensive to everyone in the 21st century. am i over simplifying that? why should everyone find a little t shirt at a bar offensive, but not everyone should find the mohammed or madonna poo thing offensive? and sure the curious george cartoon wasn't that funny, but if they put up the pic that has obama in exactly the same position as a curious george pic, that WOULD be funny. or the stole my bike. or possibly an obama katrina looter meme. based on what you said tho, those would all be offensive to everyone unless published by a newspaper, even tho the mohammed bomb head one isn't offensive to everyone. i think this shows (along with your defense of chapelle) that you are just a little politicaly correct (and i'm a little rock and roll!).

if it made fun of mccain looking like a an animal (he has a bit of rat to him) then GG would be ok. if you were black, GG would be ok. but you aren't, so GG thinks you aren't even a person in the 21st century. every person in the 21st century should find that offensive, unless it was in a newspaper as a cartoon, the GG is cool with that too.

ok, so that picture in a newspaper would be fine, but on a shirt from a bar it isn't. is that your position?

old joke, but pretty funny. i think gg will be offended by any black jokes said by whites, but is fine with chapelle (saying both black jokes and white jokes). if i'm wrong gg please let me know, but this is the last bastion of political correctness.

she was only there to go on shopping trips and to the salon!!!

it can be both cap'n reactionary!! see, this is a racially charged country. the interesting bit is you would think it only comes down to blacks and whites because is the race relation people get most up in arms about. showing that obama looks like curious george is a satire of the racial element in this election and the hyper sensitivity of guys like you who will laugh at chapelle but get sad and angsty about a silly cartoon. just like the mohammed cartoon wasn't actually criticising mohamad for being a suicide bomber, but it used his image to critcise other people associated with the issue. it's the insensitivity of the curious george shirt (placed on the back drop of a lovable cartoon character) that is funny. i think you know this tho, you know that it is just a joke, but your white guilt won't let you just laugh at it (or ignore it if you don't find it funny). can you tell me why this is offensive (and you even made the statement that everyone in the 21st century should be offended, as if this is a very important issue. should everyone in the 21st century be offended by the mohommed picture as well?) but dave chapelle is not (certainly if you are being consistent, everyone in the 21st century should be offended by dave chappelle's racist humor!)? i don't think you can because like an above poster said i think you subscribe to a double standard. and to the other poster yes, a stole my bike shirt would be much funnier and more topical. a bunch of them on a webpage would really crack me up.

ok so why is it different? imo the honest answer from GG will be because he feels ok to see a black guy make jokes about white guys, but the reverse brings up guilt and stuff. i think that is silly, and to me makes the curious george stuff even funnier! i mean there was a pic on the web showing obama turning and smiling and the curious goere pic was right beside it and the resemblance was more than slight.

it's funny because it is racist. just like eddie murphy, dave chappelle, or millions of other comics, racist jokes are funny because they are offensive.

are you saying that there aren't insults in chapelle's work? are you saying there is no element of parody in comparing a political figure to a cartoon character? that's the basis of modern satire for god's sake. political cartoons are where it all started in english newspapers hundreds of years ago. elelphants and donkeys, bulls and bears, hawks and doves, animal imagery and political figures have been in cartoons forever. i think you are just getting but hurt because obama is black (well, half black anyway) and the image is a monkey (a humanized looking cartoon of one anyway) and you can't just laugh at something where it is white people making jokes about black people, but you are fine laughing at chappelle (black person making fun of white people). did you get offended at the mohommed bomb had image that was in that euro newspaper?

that's why it's funny. do you cry when you watch dave chappelle?

i can't tell if you are joking or not. really? you find them offensive? it's just a little joke. people should suck it up and not get vaj hurt over every little thing. if you're joking then HIGH FIVE!

is anyone actually offended by the curious george obama stuff?

i still haven't seen those vince pics. brady quim is in fact a homo tho. the 10% of men being gay estimate is waaaaaaaaaaaay over stated.

ever see the brady quinn pics? now that guy is a MAN'S MAN for real. loved football since he saw his first center quarterback exchange. great leader in the locker room.

fla, oh, mi mccain gets these he walks away with it. he can miss mi and still win. i've put my money on mccain. don't think he'll be a very good president, but i'll take the money ever time.

we are picking sides here jamie. right now you are NOT on the side of the righteous.

marshawn looks tired at the end of games. that run against cincy almost put me to sleep. GET THE MAN A PILLOW!

UR STOOPID COKE IS BAD FOR TEH HELTHZ, BUT PEPSI ISN'T JUST A BUNCH OF RICH JERKS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY POOR PEOPLE'S ABORTTIONS AND HEALTHCARE!!!!

CHEST KICKS BABY!!! my good buddy is a pats fan. do i like him? yes. do i care about him and his family? yes. will he have to have his chest cavity opened as a result of a barrage of heels to the sternum? yes.

lol! IT WAS A BLOOD BATH (probably) HE'S 7'9" AND STILL HAD TO PULL A GUN ON AN OLD MAN. WHY DID HE KILL US ALL!?!?