colin

he held out and refused to even talk to the team, he was under a contract he agreed to, not franchised or anything, and had one good year. now he has one good year and one pretty good year (although he got to the pro bowl). our o still sucks and we need playmakers desperately. i want a good line as bad as anyone, but i know enough to know that some good linemen alone won't make an O work, we need guys scoring touchdowns. if trading peters gets us some of those, i'd do it.

you are assuming we can just pay him and he will be good for us. if it is true that he is going to continue to be a holdout risk, a malcontent, and injured and out of shape, then we really don't want him on our team. also, i think the point of this whole thread is that super star o linemen aren't the key -- super star players on D and scoring touchdowns is the key, along with a good line on o. it would be nice to have a bunch of probowlers on the o line, but that didn't help the cowboys last season, nor did it make the star studded new england line good enough to stop the giants pass rush, and the giants zero pro bowler line last year didn't look too bad. better athletes play on the d line than o, it has always been that way. a super star on the d line can cause disruption helping the other guys and get to the ball carrier by himself. a great o lineman can possibly neutralize a great d lineman, but all 5 have to do their jobs for the line to be a success. we need a good line of 5 guys, not any particular super stud, especially one who wants to hold out and hurt himself and the team.

jesus dood, you are such an self important amateur. you will be kind here? are you a highly accomplished nfl gm? no, you are a guy with a keyboard just like me. instead of coming up with a million smoke screens pretending to be so knowledgeable about the unknown, just point out the salient point of disagreement: you think peters is a great important player for our team and should be paid top 3 o lineman money in spite of his holding out, injuries, and public statements. i think he is a very talented lineman that at times is great, but at other times is far from great, is clearly a malcontent, and simply is not worth that large of a contract. so if he is gonna hold out and get hurt and not be consistent in protecting the passer, i think we don't want to pay him that kind of scratch. so what do we do with him? well, we trade him to get something for him, it's that simple. you talk about creating a need, but if he holds out again, he is creating the need. you can't count on a guy because the chubby chasers on the board have decided to crown him the king of the fat asses. if he holds out again he is making it very very clear he is not a team guy. eff him.

you are making this much harder than it needs to be. we need our o line to play well. we don't need peters for that. he helps with that, but if we have any other serviceable guy at lt and a better c/rg we can be a better or at least equal line. with the picks we get for jp and the extra money we can sign very good players at de, wr, te, and lb. along with our draft that will make us a much better team. peters IS a malcontent, he held out for christ's sake, what more does he have to do? i'd like to have him and other upgrades, but like most any player he is totally replaceable and his injuries and attitude and hold out demands more than offset his play, which i don't feel is anywhere near crucial for us to win.

i have said nothing of the sort. the fact of the matter is you need 5 o linemen to play well together, and a super star at one position doesn't help much if you have a good at another. furthermore, what we fans thought was a goof in gandy is playing pretty well overall for the cards. o linemen almost totally across the board are simply not the athletes that d linemen are. so to make it clear for you -- we need a good line as a unit on O, the particular stand out talents of one or two guys isn't that important, while we objectively do need some superstars in the secondary, dline, and at skill positions.

the problem is wanna be know it all football fans are reactionary. they (on this board especially) react to the o line being under heralded in general to assuming that all that matters is line men, and that secondary players (like our pal bill in nyc) are useless, should not be drafted, and are wimps. the bottom line is what you need out of your o line is effective blocking as a unit. it does not matter who is a stud and who is an overachiever, all that matters is how they play for you in your O. the giants don't have much talent and have a good line, and the eagles have a ton of talent and have a good line. there are many ways of doing it and your scheme will often dictate the kind of guy you need. now LTs are hard to find, and their scarcity has caused them to be very expensive, but the fact that gandy is good enough for a team that at worst will be 2nd in their conference should tell us that our idea of what is a good lineman isn't all that valuable. what is always important is talent on D, and playmakers on O. all the teams left have good if not very good Ds, and good if not very good QB play, with 3 of the qb's left being pro bowl franchise guys. they all also have highly paid skill players on the O side of the ball. and what should really smack people in the face IS THE SECONDARY. philly has a ton of talent on the secondary and went out and SPENT HUGE MONEY on another corner. the raves have a stacked secondary, pitts has a very good secondary, and zona has a high paid stud safety and 2 highly drafted corners. all the mouth breathing and hand waving about "DRAFT TEHZ LINZ" is just so dumb. every position counts, but what you see more often is ok offensive linemen over achieving and studs in the secondary and at skill positions.

jeez guys, you don't stay away from a great pass rusher because they are small. derrick thomas was undersized. i dunno about his other foibles, or how he projects, but if he is a bit too small and great on the edge, you sign him.

nope, i get 12 to 1 if the iggles win it all

i hope and expect the iggles will rape the cards. they are tortured fans and i will make money

i get 12 times my money if philly wins the bowl. go iggles!!

the cardinals remind me of the giants last year -- very aggressive and can put a ton of pressure on people.

hardy did show an ability to be a target in the endzone, he just needs steady improvement. if he gets involved for 30 or 40 catches that could be 7 or 8 tds.

i'm hoping for bmore @ sd and philly @ zona for the conf finals!!

balti is super lucky those ducks into doubles weren't picked, and that they got some flukey fumbles. they gave up like 250 in the first half alone. that's not good.

if we get a passrusher and some kind of playmaker on O in FA then i'm totally fine with a great safety to make our secondary super charged.

whatevah you nay sayers. the bills were running better, they made bigger holes and our backs got hit less in the back field. we put up 161 on NE in a game where in many instances passing was not an option against 9 in the box with our best lineman and running back out. that's a very strong performance and confirms that we were not running better just due to opponents not having as good run D, but because we were just running better. we have lots of horrible things wrong with our o, but at least we have some run blocking and tough backs to work with.

not pleased at the moment, but i'm going to look on the bright side. 1 we can run the ball. we can run it on NE with 9 in the box and our best lineman and running back out. 2 we are fast on d. add in a pass rusher and we might be special 3 young qb and one very good playmaker on o, at times very good pass blocking 4 the best special teams. lets hope we get it done

+1 that's the key right there.

vermiel and dungy have reps as real players coaches, but they are brutal in practice wrt how much the push their guys. they also are not affraid to replace guys at any time.

while our interior line could be better, since we can run the ball well on anyone i think the issue is more about our big play and scoring ability. we need a playmaker on O. i agree about our OC, it really is just terrible.

stop that!

sadly it looks like this is the truth here. remember moulds would rescue rj, van pelt, and flutie? he would get a ton of yards and break games open no matter how bad we were.

the use of your and "alot" in this thread makes my eyes bleed.

i think the biggest roster issues for our team are 1. play maker on O. we need someone besides evans. i like winslow jr, but we need a good big body stud play maker. 2. pass rush. we need at least one more player (and aaron to come back healthy, if he can) in there who can get after the passer. peppers would look good in blue, lets throw the bank at him. 3. line backers. i really think our linebackers are about the weakest unit on the team. ellison should have never seen the pitch with crow playing (god that sucked), mitchel is ok, and poz isn't a tenth of the player his ball washers make him out to be. i think #3 relates to my next point strongly: we have done damage to our team drafting players for special teams. parrish, mclovin, mcgee (although the last 2 have other abilities and i think mclovin might be very good soon) are all on our team in large part due to special teams play. our safties, linemen, and other LBs are all good or very good special teams guys as well, but the cost is our depth is crap and we are too small up front. the bottom line size of our front seven is lacking, and i think that's in part because we have so many of them in special teams.

given that we won't be likely to seek out top guys, i'd be very happy with haslett.