Sig1Hunter
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Why a group of people are getting fed up with proactive, over zealous policing. A lot are in the wrong profession.
Proactive equals over-zealous. Got it. You've answered everything I need to know with that question. If you support a completely reactive police force - let's wait for the crime to occur before we do anything - you and I will never be at a point where we can see each other's point of view. That position, to me, is a disaster. I give up. Good night, ladies!
You are still clueless, like this should be some pissing contest. I know where the authority lies and respect that for all our well being as a societal group.
Have you not read the link I posted:
How your profession is conducting their job goes against the very fiber of what America stands for.
The war against ourselves:
http://lawreview.law.miami.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/The-War-Against-Ourselves_-_i_Heien-v.pdf
"Approximately fifty years ago, America declared a war
against itself—the “War on Drugs.” Since then, our local
and state police, armed with military weapons and federal
funding, have fought tirelessly against “public enemy number
one”—drugs. Not surprisingly, this war has created an
atmosphere where it is now common to see police officers
equipped with a mentality and armor that had previously
only been seen in the dark-trenches of an international war
zone. Worse yet, this battlefield mentality has leaked into almost
every area of police-civilian encounters.
As a “loyal foot solider” in the Executive’s War on
Drugs, however, the Supreme Court has played an important
role in the current state of affairs between police officers and
citizens, most recently in its decision in Heien v. North Carolina,
which held that an officer’s mistake of law can provide
reasonable suspicion necessary to justify police intrusion
into countless more citizens’ lives. Consequently, this Note
takes a closer look at the consequences of allowing police
mistakes of law to give rise to reasonable suspicion in the
background of the War on Drugs and police militarization..."
Yeah, I read it. I'm well aware of the case law. You might wanna read the actual case. Because, in every single post about it you neglect to use the Supreme's language - "a reasonable mistake of law". REASONABLE. Do you know what that means?
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It sucks that you base your opinion on the entirety of law enforcement officers on a relative few contacts. You really should broaden your horizons. Put yourselves in their shoes. When he is walking up to your car and speaking with you, he doesn't know that you are a harmless Bills fan. His primary goal is to get out of that traffic stop without any additional holes. He has to be on guard at all times, mentally, physically, and emotionally. This can come off as him being prickish, cold, uncaring, rude. It's the way it is. You haven't seen what he has. You haven't experienced what he has. Vice versa is also true. When we can come to this understanding, we will all be better off.
I know it really pisses you off, but the fact is that there are some people that have more legal authority than you. Sometimes, they have legal authority over you. Instead of trying to buck that reality, try being polite and non confrontational (for !@#$s sake, don't "pull over" cops). Swallow your pride, man. I am willing to bet you will see a more pleasant, "at ease" police officer the next time you get pulled over. You probably won't get that chickenturd ticket either. We all know that there will be a next time...
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The one stop. The cop kept on following all through town. Our streets are grids. I saw him tailing me. Like you said, I made as many rights and lefts (legal turns) to get back home... To see if he would stand down, disengage. I finally pulled him over and asked him why he was harassing me. I had the cracked Jeep window that was not violating the motor vehicle code. He said: "It didn't matter" I suspect he was digging for something else.
Digging for something else? You said you "pulled" him over. It's no wonder you walked away with a coupon to your local courthouse. Be glad he stopped for you. I would have politely waved back at you.
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EII, you ever go on a ride along with any of your local "jack booted thugs"? I think you will find that the vast, vast majority are just trying to do a job to the best of their ability to serve their community.
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But, it is okay to point it at the citizenry, even if an officer makes the wrong judgement? I get pulled over, don't lump me in w/the bad guys. I don't appreciate trigger happy policing. Better yet, just leave me alone for your petty BS.
Like duh... What do you think was gonna happen w/the idiots out there? Maybe modern cops should have paid attention w/what cops a generation or two or three had to deal with. There is a reason why gun laws tightened up through the mid-20th century.
Pretty naive thinking on your part.
I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say, or what your point is. Literally. I have no idea. Must be the naïveté coming out.
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I think you will find that some of the biggest second amendment supporters are the cops on the street. We are gun guys. We just don't like it when people point them at us.
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Why did they only arrest two people?
They're all breaking the law, and they have multiple videos of everyone.
If you watch the full video, you will see that they arrested a lot more than 2!
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What's the recovery time from a Taser hit?
I know it's not like the movies where you get tapped and immediately go to sleep for hours.
Once the 5 seconds of juice is over, the effects from the juice are over. You can get right back up.
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Probably less to do with shaking off the shock and more to do with a technical issue with the taser. If you don't get good contact with the darts (baggy or thick clothing, poor aim, or actual malfunction), the device is useless. Both darts have to make good skin contact in order to transfer the energy into the body. If one dart doesn't make good contact, there is no energy transfer. If you listen at the very beginning of the one of the videos, you can hear two "pops". Those sounds are the tasers deploying.
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They deployed the taser twice on him, no effect. Which is why they were forced to go hands on and take him to the ground.Could Sterling have been subdued with a taser instead ?
He had a hopeless life and looks like he wanted suicide by cop instead of going back to prison again.
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Eight years of Obama and each year more protests about 'systematic injustice' in our nation. Does it not reflect upon his competence?[/size]
Here's a black life that mattered. God Bless you and RIP [/size]
[/size]Slain Baton Rouge Police Officer Just Became Father (Updated)
PINAC News
Two lives that mattered, one snuffed out...another ruined before it could even start.
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Let's all dream this horrible nightmare away, and I am a dreamer lib, should come easy.
Are these dreams chemically induced? I'm fresh out of psychotropics.
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Like investigations can't be cooked like everything else in the gov't.
Dont get me wrong. Lot of good out there, but we know the code of conduct for protecting the Boys in Blue.
Trust nobody, question authority.
What the hell are you talking about? I said nothing about investigations being "cooked". Do you run a tinfoil hat factory?
How can I get you right, when you obviously are getting it wrong?
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"We don't need careless accusations thrown around to score political points."
Yes, the President just said that. The same President who insists on spewing his ignorant opinion on incidents before the investigation has even started. The same President who calls for patience and facts now, incited this very violence by running off at his mouth just a couple weeks earlier.
What a wonderful community he has "organized".
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https://m.soundcloud.com/alertpage-1/batonrouge-initial-45-minutes
Radio traffic from the first 45 minutes.
Thanks for sharing that. A glimpse into the chaos that ensues and the information that has to be processed on the fly. These guys and gals are heroes, in every sense of the word.
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The shooting of Gilbert Flores is certainly questionable in the article linked by B-man. It boggles my mind why the proponents of the anti-police movement don't hang their hats on those cases.
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My apologies to Sig1Hunter
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/23600-alton-sterling-gentle-giant-or-armed-felon
I was unaware of Sterlings past that he would resist .
That's why body cameras with audio are so critical so the public (like me) don't jump to the wrong conclusion.
No worries, ALF. As far as the linked article, I couldn't have said it better myself.
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When there is a legitimate case of police brutality, unlawful use of force...ill be there in the fight with you, DR. One of the greatest threats to me as an LEO is the dishonest LEO. However, the public response, so far, has been based largely on total ignorance. And, that drives me nuts. I can't keep my mouth shut. Probably part of the reason that I'll stay at Sergeant for the rest of my career!
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http://townhall.com/columnists/johnkass/2016/07/13/why-become-a-cop-n2192286
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I'm not trying to debate with you that our criminal justice system doesn't have its flaws. It does. But, the public placing the majority of that blame on the street cop that is just doing his job and whose primary goal is to get home to his family at the end of the night is ridiculous. The open shouting of death threats to police officers has to stop. The notion that there is systemic, racist tendencies amongst the nations law enforcement systems is preposterous. Utilizing the recorded incident of a man getting shot as he resisted arrest while in possession of a firearm is even more preposterous.That certainly plays a part, but only reinforces my arguments as to the ramifications of systemically oppressing an entire segment of the population for well over 200 years.
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Why is this? Because a lot of black offenders generally can't afford a high priced private attorney. They are forced to rely upon basic public defense attorneys. How do incarceration rates with people represented by public defenders versus private defense attorneys vary?There's plenty out there. Some better sourced than others. Not to mention the laws themselves.
Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.[/size]
That racial gap has widened since the Supreme Court restored judicial discretion in sentencing in 2005, according to the Sentencing Commission's findings, which were submitted to Congress last month and released publicly this week.[/size]
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002
Nationally, according to the U.S. Census, Blacks are incarcerated five times more than Whites are, and Hispanics are nearly twice as likely to be incarcerated as Whites:
Social science research has time and again come to the robust conclusion that exposure to the criminal justice system has profound and intergenerational negative effects on communities that experience disproportionate incarceration rates.
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The black population comprises approximately 13 percent of the population. Yet, 52 percent of murders are committed by black offenders. I don't understand how this is a straw man to your point that the prison population contains a percentage of blacks that is not representative of their total population.
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Ok, but what evidence is there that this systematic repression of minorities is actually occurring "right on up to today"? If there is none, then is it just a perception based upon decades old information? At which point do we get to acknowledge that law enforcement is not stuck in the 60s? We are recorded in everything that we do - either by our own agencies, or by the public. We have mandatory reporting of traffic stop demographic statistics. We recruit lesser qualified minorities to have departments that are more representative of cultural demographics. We have entire divisions dedicated to embedding with the communities that we serve.
At some point, the victim mentality has to end.
If Alton Sterling was reaching for his gun, he is not a victim. If facts come out that prove that he was not reaching for his gun, and he was instead submitting, then I'll be right there with you demanding a vigorous prosecution of the two police officers. Ditto for Minnesota.
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Disagree. That's a faulty conclusion to draw without looking at the entire picture.
With that conclusion you're assuming that every crime and every criminal were policed and prosecuted equally. What we're discussing is an inherent kink in the system which determines not only who is policed and prosecuted, but how they are police and prosecuted. The numbers you and Unbilleivable are citing ignore this element entirely.
Which is why it's a bunk argument. It's arguing something else entirely. And that's assuming those numbers are actually real in the first place.
Am I understanding that you are saying that there has been some elaborate scheme by the government in the 40s, 50s, 60s to disenfranchise and keep minority communities downtrodden and poor? And, that these schemes somehow trickle down to the street cop in 2016? The present day white cop has a vested interest in killing innocent black men in order to perpetuate this scheme?
Williams speech/Alton/Philando/Dallas shootings
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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Generally speaking, standard procedure is not to approach a vehicle that you suspect is being occupied by a felon. You get backup and you call them out. In the Castile case, we won't know until more reliable info is released...such as the in car video.
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