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To me, Thad is consistent where EJ is not. Thad makes the easy plays where EJ does not. He is able to take something off the ball at the right time, to make it easy to catch. He is able to pinpoint the ball to make it easy to catch. I see the opposite a lot of times from EJ. Obviously we don't agree but that's what I see

What won't happen? Thad won't keep outplaying EJ? Or, Marrone plays EJ regardless?

I was thinking that Thad seemed more efficient in both games, than EJ in any of his. The PFF ratings seem to agree. As long as he continues playing like this I wouldn't be surprised if Marrone keeps him in.

I was thinking that Thad seemed more efficient in both games, than EJ in any of his. The PFF ratings seem to agree. As long as he continues playing like this I wouldn't be surprised if Marrone keeps him in.

I think people are making way too much about averaging over 20. It's inflated because there are more plays in bills games due to the hurry-up. I'm sorry to say, but I suspect when D is the strength of the team it's stupid to hurry up on O. Think of it like this, hurry-up tends to make a game higher scoring, so it becomes more about the offenses

Crossman goes back a ways with Marrone so I'm not holding my breath. I saw him get on an offensive player for a play on offense and thought to myself 'just do your job'

Smith looked like he was in the zone the whole last drive

Holy schitt I thought I'd seen everything until that one handed left handed bomb catch by Julio with Cromartie draped on him!!

a lot higher than someone like Mike Smith or Ron Rivera

I wonder too, won't have to stay up for the late game I guess

Hackett turn the charm to 11 let's go

Sinks are being removed and thrown at Josh Freeman

Be careful what you wish for. Cleveland very possibly could have their 'championship level QB' soon (stocked high draft choices), and already have a defense, receiver, tight end, and coaching

If its straight up for a QB I'm disappointed. I can't think of any backup I like as much as freeman

I have a bad feeling about this, but honestly they can't be that dumb

Go Raidas!!

I should have clarified better. After the team name "BUF" is the number of snaps so far, and the next number is the cumulative PFF player grade over the first 4 games. John Murphy had the COO of PFF on yesterday, and even he admitted you have to take their grades with a grain of salt. The grades can be misleading but they do have a consistent process they follow so they have some value IMO. Edit: I didn't mean to hijack the thread, I added here since it was PFF. Probably should have made a separate thread.

It's just their take, but I thought it was interesting how PFF ranks how all the QBs have done over 4 games.

I don't watch Brees much. I don't think i've ever seen that kind of instant timing w/receivers

He was reminding me of Gronk. Fish seem in shock

I always think shankapotamus when I see him

Some more pff info, QB ranking. Manuel is last but some consolation that Brady is 24th # Name Team Snaps Overall Pass Run Penalty # of Pen Drop backs Runs Att. Comp Comp % TA HT BP SP Yds Yds / Att. TD In Sk DP NFL Rating 1 Peyton Manning DEN 289 18.8 18.7 -0.6 0.7 0-0 161 0 156 117 75.0 2 0 0 0 1470 9.4 16 0 5 14 138.0 2 Philip Rivers SD 198 8.6 9.6 0.6 -1.6 3-1 107 2 100 70 70.0 1 2 2 0 798 8.0 8 1 5 7 116.2 3 Jake Locker TEN 254 8.1 8.2 -0.3 0.2 1-0 128 8 111 69 62.2 2 2 1 1 721 6.5 6 0 9 7 99.0 4 Matt Ryan ATL 194 7.3 6.4 0.4 0.5 1-0 125 1 119 81 68.1 6 1 2 0 909 7.6 6 2 5 4 100.4 5 Matthew Stafford DET 277 6.2 7.6 -2.1 0.7 0-0 163 3 156 100 64.1 2 0 5 0 1262 8.1 7 3 4 12 96.2 6 Ryan Tannehill MIA 192 5.5 6.8 -1.8 0.5 0-0 123 2 107 71 66.4 3 0 2 1 827 7.7 4 2 14 8 94.3 7 Aaron Rodgers GB 218 5.1 4.2 0.3 0.6 0-0 137 4 122 81 66.4 7 0 4 1 1057 8.7 8 3 10 4 105.1 8 Drew Brees NO 219 4.7 3.6 0.5 0.6 0-0 141 4 127 81 63.8 5 1 0 1 1021 8.0 6 4 10 5 91.4 9 Tony Romo DAL 207 4.3 5.5 -1.7 0.5 0-0 122 1 115 83 72.2 3 0 3 0 771 6.7 6 1 6 2 103.9 10 Terrelle Pryor OAK 182 3.7 -0.6 4.3 0.0 2-0 100 11 81 53 65.4 3 0 0 1 624 7.7 2 2 7 3 86.7 10 Carson Palmer ARZ 269 3.7 4.1 0.4 -0.8 2-0 163 1 152 87 57.2 6 0 4 0 1010 6.6 4 6 10 7 69.8 12 Jay Cutler CHI 267 3.5 1.3 1.4 0.8 1-0 159 5 148 95 64.2 3 1 2 2 1010 6.8 8 6 6 8 85.1 13 Andrew Luck IND 202 3.4 -0.5 3.4 0.5 0-0 110 10 92 60 65.2 2 1 1 0 658 7.2 3 1 8 5 92.6 14 Matt Schaub HST 319 2.6 3.4 -0.1 -0.7 2-0 189 1 177 116 65.5 9 2 4 0 1193 6.7 8 6 11 7 85.7 15 Cam Newton CAR 203 2.5 -0.1 2.1 0.5 0-0 101 5 88 52 59.1 4 2 2 0 577 6.6 6 2 8 4 91.9 16 Brandon Weeden CLV 142 2.0 3.5 -0.3 -1.2 3-0 99 2 86 47 54.7 7 2 2 0 516 6.0 1 3 11 6 62.0 17 Michael Vick PHI 275 1.5 -1.6 2.9 0.2 1-0 144 14 118 65 55.1 5 1 4 0 1080 9.2 5 2 12 6 93.2 18 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 256 1.1 1.0 -0.5 0.6 0-0 178 1 162 103 63.6 4 1 3 4 1231 7.6 5 5 15 6 84.2 19 Russell Wilson SEA 258 0.7 -2.0 2.0 0.7 1-0 121 12 96 59 61.5 5 0 0 0 787 8.2 6 3 13 3 95.3 20 Eli Manning NYG 252 -0.1 -0.2 0.0 0.1 2-0 168 3 151 85 56.3 6 1 0 0 1148 7.6 6 9 14 9 69.1 21 Brian Hoyer CLV 148 -0.3 -0.5 -0.2 0.4 1-0 99 1 92 55 59.8 7 0 1 0 590 6.4 5 3 6 3 83.2 22 Alex D. Smith KC 292 -0.6 -0.5 0.1 -0.2 4-0 178 21 146 88 60.3 2 1 3 3 957 6.6 7 2 11 13 89.9 23 Josh Freeman TB 199 -2.2 -1.6 -0.1 -0.5 4-1 103 2 94 43 45.7 3 0 0 0 571 6.1 2 3 7 10 59.3 24 Tom Brady NE 237 -2.6 -1.6 -1.6 0.6 0-0 134 1 127 73 57.5 2 1 0 0 698 5.5 5 2 6 9 79.4 25 Robert Griffin III WAS 285 -2.8 -1.0 -1.5 -0.3 3-0 187 9 170 106 62.4 9 0 3 0 1202 7.1 6 4 7 13 85.5 26 Chad Henne JAX 145 -3.7 -2.7 -0.9 -0.1 3-0 90 1 82 46 56.1 4 4 2 1 512 6.2 1 2 7 6 68.7 27 Christian Ponder MIN 201 -4.5 -7.6 2.6 0.5 0-0 122 12 100 59 59.0 4 3 0 0 691 6.9 2 5 10 5 65.9 28 Geno Smith NYJ 303 -5.1 -4.8 -0.1 -0.2 3-0 161 11 136 78 57.4 10 2 0 1 1090 8.0 4 8 14 8 68.6 29 Sam Bradford SL 287 -5.9 -5.0 -1.7 0.8 0-0 196 3 182 107 58.8 7 2 7 0 1095 6.0 7 3 11 15 82.1 30 Andy Dalton CIN 267 -6.6 -6.3 -0.9 0.6 0-0 162 7 148 94 63.5 2 2 3 0 1003 6.8 5 4 7 8 83.2 31 Joe Flacco BLT 302 -7.1 -7.8 -0.1 0.8 0-0 182 1 169 97 57.4 6 2 1 0 1091 6.5 5 7 12 10 69.4 32 Colin Kaepernick SF 260 -9.4 -8.4 -0.6 -0.4 2-0 142 15 117 68 58.1 2 0 2 0 856 7.3 5 4 10 10 81.0 33 E.J. Manuel BUF 312 -11.1 -9.0 -2.9 0.8 0-0 152 11 130 74 56.9 1 2 0 1 856 6.6 5 3 11 10 80.2

Hammerhead II !!!

Rotf! Fsu just had 11 players drafted. Im an FSU alum. Trust me its Winston