Meathead

just a little housecleaning here ... lol! do i reeally have to go back and find some of your posts that diverted the topic of a thread? holy smokes dude exactly how is using a black colloquialism insulting to blacks? if i use colloquialisms for other races does that automatically equate to insulting them? consider all the widespread use of redneck colloquialisms before you answer and i didnt even come close to claiming that second part wny, rochester, nyc, wdc, atlanta. pretty much everywhere i have lived or traveled i have been a civil rights worker. naturally, of course, bc it simply has been part of my life since as long as i can remember, thanks to my wonderful mother who loved everybody the only major historical leap we had taken by electing obama was putting a perceived black man in the office. surely that was indeed a momentous occasion, but it only represented the start of a potential change for the better, not the actual change itself i was referring to racist whites and blacks that had their own different attachments to racism flourish after the election for different reasons. i was not talking about non-racist blacks or whites at all im not going to tolerate being spoken to like that. this was your last shot. if you want replies you will need to address me reasonably

can we possibly put this issue of 'non-citizen' vs 'illegal' voting to bed once and for all? any place our democracy has decided to give non-citizens the right to vote makes those votes NOT illegal. we may argue whether or not those individuals should be able to vote, i personally think they should not, but we cant call them 'illegal votes' bc they simply were not illegal this of course would be completely separate from any real voter fraud. and i still dont see how theres any way in hell we could possibly even approach 350 thousand illegal votes, let alone 3.5 million. that sounds wholly absurd

i dont understand the first question, mainly bc i didnt say that. please elaborate to the second question i would say yes, for two reasons. first, having a perceived black man in the WH emboldened racist and borderline racist blacks to expand their one-way definition of racism to be even more white-only centric than it already was. thats why BLM was able to thrive as we even saw black churches set up tables in Ferguson extolling the narrative that whites were to blame for all of this. i would also say that some whites emboldened their own racism at the sight of a 'black' man in 'their' house, they didnt like seeing a person of color in what was always previously their job, so their racism surged back for a spell i think the white part of that settled down by the time obamas second term rolled around. the black racism continued to flourish, however, as there still was virtually no push back to an expanding one-way black agenda of white-only racism. it wasnt until we drove the seething mass of disaffected whites to the polls that we exposed our enormous blunder. now its going to take the better part of the next decade to work back to where we could and should have been shortly after obamas election: with ppl from both sides working together to stop this cycle of blame and unite under common causes instead of creating new race wars i dont even get that

"i look forward confidently to the day when we all look at race identities with little more emphasis than what we put on shoe size or eye color." - MH

lmao! you know who else liked to make inapt comparisons out of the blue? https://youtu.be/ubCl5_kDWks crap. how do you embed a youtube vid? ive seen it done here but apparently its not with yt's embed code. idk

so we are finally ready to start dipping our toe into answering this question what blacks/minorities want falls into two categories: reasonable righteousness related demands, and selfish exploitative destructive demands for the reasonable demands, thats the easy one bc most of them are already in place. studies and statistics show us that we have fixed the overwhelming majority of the institutional racism problems, most easily recognized in former disparities in legal and medical outcomes by race. those two simply dont exist any longer at significant levels, at least when the factor of real racism, differences in health coverage, or unwillingness of blacks to go to the doctor is removed. this is a tremendous accomplishment for those functions and we should all be proud. we need to keep an eye on them so they dont backtrack, but we have done a nice job getting equal outcomes for legal and medical situations in a pretty expeditious manner we have a little more work to do on equal employment and housing opportunity, but again we are dramatically further along with those than we ever have been. opportunities to blacks is almost as open as they are to whites, in some ways more so. disparities in education and income is still a problem, but a lot of that is due to poor cultural standards in blackness itself regarding the proper way to behave in what they see as a 'racist white world'. to a lot of blacks, whiteness just equals default badness. and of course, if your definition of racism is any time anyone white criticizes me then youre going to see racism EVERYWHERE and you will act accordingly. but if you can somehow strip that biased and dysfunctional view from your life filter, you will find a dramatically improved opportunity set for all blacks is out there ready to be taken advantage of so what is the primary motivator of this set of unreasonable and hostile demands of the alleged 'black leaders'? it really boils down to nothing more than simple control blacks have had precious little control throughout american history, so its little surprise they would have a great hunger for it. as whiteness has backed off and left it up to blacks to define what proper attitudes are for everyone regarding race, blacks have succumbed to the temptation to build all the rules in their favor. and with little effective push back from whites, they have succeeded. now their efforts are to mostly centered around trying to push that envelope further and further, to expand the definition of negative racial behavior as far away from themselves as they can, and instead to push as much of that on whiteness as possible this gave them the illusion of control. and as long as whiteness toed the line, everything was hunky dory the main problem there is that whiteness still dwarfs our blackness 2010 Population by Race (Roughly) 62% 191M white 13% 40M black 16% 49M hispanic/latino 09% 28M everybody else i would estimate that the percentage of the white population that would still qualify as moderately or severely 'racist' is about 35%. that means that 67M white americans still hold negative bias against blacks - more than the entire black population! further, i would guesstimate that back in 1970 we had about 80% of the white population was racist, meaning we have had roughly 77M white people abandon their formerly racist past, accept blacks as equals, and more or less accept them fully into the formerly white dominated society thus it is painfully easy to see it was foolish for blacks to think they could strong arm whiteness into accepting an agenda that was based primarily on the assumption that whiteness is STILL the only target for all race related problems in america. even with the help of enabling whites, there was still a ѕhitload of white people that were rightfully sick and tired of being called racist when they knew all the pain and hard work it took them to admit to themselves that they were and to bring about that change in themselves so we sent them seething to the polls this past cycle. and of course they latched onto the one guy willing to buck this ridiculous wave of political correctness and speak some uncomfortable truths about problems along the borders, problems in our inner cities, and the unwillingness of many whites to continue to cede control over the definition of their own level of racism and who is the main instigator of this insatiable hunger for control? none other of course than the separatist organization known as Black Lives Matter exactly how much control have you given up when an organization can redefine words/terms like 'thug', 'gangster', and even 'all lives matter' to have default meanings thoroughly contrary to what they have always been used for and have completely valid intuitive meanings of their own? and more importantly, in a way that makes it IMPOSSIBLE for them to be used in a negative manner when accurately describing negative black behaviors? the leadership vacuum is enormous in our blackness right now. by far the best black leader weve had lately has been obama himself - and hes only really half black. further, he appears to be very well intentioned but also started out with a pretty hefty bias of his own, being taught by an openly racist preacher in rev jeremiah wright, as we can see by the numerous race related errors in perspective he started out with. for example, his pronouncement that his white grandmother was a 'typical white person' afraid of unfamiliar blacks - ignoring the reality that the population most fearful of unfamiliar blacks is blacks themselves bc they know full well what 'dem niggas can do' so the series of demands we see flowing and changing out of Black Lives Matter is absolutely NOT bc they want to see the black/white relationship flourish. if they did then they would pay a thousand times more attention to the slaughter of blacks by blacks than the figment of their imagination that is racist cops hunting down blacks in cold blood and promoting false narratives of that kind they are falling into the same trap that ALL humans fall into when they finally get a little influence - they are trying to rig the system against their opponents to ensure they maintain as much control as they can it is a fools game. which isnt hard to tell when you actually listen and read some of the speeches and books being put out by these fools. there are nuggets of truth in them, but they twist and warp them into ideas that arent even half-truths anymore. all in an effort to maintain as much control as possible Black Lives Matter should face the same fate as the confederate flag. neither of them are all bad, but the damage they have done far outweighs any good they have brought. they both need to be retired permanently so that we can acknowledge the damage they have done and together work to create a new reality that benefits all personally i see nothing wrong with a rebrand to the name All Lives Matter. im positive we could get many more millions on board with that than the biased and self-serving title they chose and then proceeded to posion with their selfish quest for total control

so in reality, it is both. but every day that we get further away from the 1960's style legacy of brutal white racism and oppression we get further away from those influences and closer to the different and more subtle influences and bias that face us RIGHT NOW if we were to lay a zero-summed blame on it between whiteness and blackness starting in 1970 i would roughly estimate it to be thus: SOURCE OF AMERICAN RACIAL DISHARMONY by race 1970 ------ 85% whiteness 15% blackness 1990 ------ 50% whiteness 50% blackness 2016 ------ 90% blackness + enabling whites/everybody else 10% whiteness we allowed blackness to get too much control over the definition of what racism is. and of course fresh off that brutal and humiliating oppression, and with almost no interest from or permission allowed to whites to participate in that definition, blacks turned it into meaning any time whites are not complimentary about blacks - simply bc THEY COULD. if we leave it to our most divisive, vengeful, and selfish elements of humanity to define the rules for all of us, take a wild guess what is going to happen? this has created a culture at large where: - blacks dont have to be responsible for their own racism bc apparently they cant even be racist (!) - blacks, whites, and everybody else must protect ALL elements of blackness, even the negative ones, as if they were somehow sacred - blacks have to have permanent 'special rules' applied to them and ONLY them - even as we feebly claim to not treat them differently for the color of their skin! - anyone who challenges this new world order is painted as virulently racist and subject to instant and permanent exclusion from our social consciousness, thus eliminating all dissent and removing that voice completely from the conversation (and when has THAT ever caused problems?)

ive not been feeling well lately so progress might be slow for a while. and the editor here is just so brutally bad that im not looking forward to fighting it so i might be composing things in notepads ugly editor and moving it here. then of course is this ridiculous auto concatenate of sequential posts by the same person, which is going to make these some awfully difficult to parse long ass posts that may not enable an easy train of thought. i wish we could turn that dumb thing off but it is what it is i guess we will start with some easy ones before we get into some of the more meaty topics. and since im leading the discussion they will all be 'meaty' topics although i generally agree, you have used too broad a brush first off, we will always have racism so its unreasonable to say we can or will wipe it out. if we spent every single dollar of GDP on eradicating racism, the very best we could hope for is to get it down to 20% of the population (my estimate). obviously we cant do that, so we should have a reasonable target. i believe 30% is a very difficult but reasonable final goal, and that extra 1 out of 10 ppl would make a significant difference so it is also a worthwhile goal to say that things like civil rights, institutional racism, and social racism are no longer current issues is inaccurate. what would be accurate to say is that we are not facing the same problems in 2017 that we were in 1970. and yet, our primary view of american racism is that it is exactly the same variety as what it was in 1970. this is the huge crux of the problem and is preventing us from properly addressing the devastating race issues that face us right now so yes, blacks still suffer from some levels of institutional racism. blacks still labor under burdens placed there by brutal past oppression and the cascading lingering legacy of problems and disadvantages that spawned. but to say that is our PRIMARY problem facing blackness and race issues in general is absurd for most of my life whiteness was primarily to blame for dysfunctional race issues. thats bc whitey had a long monopoly on defining race issues standards. and they wielded that baton with brutal efficacy eventually, as it always does, the universe corrected itself. in our time, it did that by bringing us MLK, whose magic was shining the spotlight on what was obviously deeply unrighteous thoughts and behavior on the part of the dominant whites. he brilliantly borrowed from gandhi's book on passive resistance to use whiteys own behavior to openly and rightfully shame them into the realization that all men are created equal, not just the melanin challenged ones this brought about a massive and well deserved guilt response in whiteness, but that cycle has lasted way too long. whiteness realized it had fubared race issue standards and backed away from that, creating an imbalanced vacuum. so in the last thirty or so years the control of that gavel has shifted from whites to blacks. and blacks have done what humans ALWAYS do when they get too much control over other humans: they take it too far and start to rig the system against their 'opponents'. blacks have defined racism to ONLY mean whites making non-complimentary statements about blacks, even if they are accurate statements. and a large segment of whites have joined them to flog whiteness as 'default racist' and proceeded to blame them for every race problem in america this has spawned an enormous race grievance industry, where douchebags like the gangsta rappers and al sharpton work to protect destructive and anti-social standards just bc they are perceived as 'black'. cultural elements in blackness that would be defined as destructive in any other culture are suddenly sacred ground. even valid criticisms are converted to 'automatic racism' and whomever has the nerve to utter them are immediately mobbed up upon and subject to total social annihilation. we saw that dynamic start to take shape right here in this forum what we desperately need is a race issue reset. we need to recognize that the black/white relationship is the single most important relationship in america right now bc it is having by far the most impact on our collective relationships and thought processes. we have to respect and cherish that relationship and work to get it back to a healthy and proper 50/50 dynamic where both sides are free to both cheer and critique what the other 'side' does and believes it aint gonna be easy. theres a LOT of encrusted tempered ѕhit built up on this topic. first we have to break the hard shell of that encrusted ѕhit, then we have to set in place some new standards to prevent it from recalcifying again fortunately, i think a trump presidency, in fact just him WINNING, will cleave a bunch of big cracks in that shell of ѕhit. we couldnt possibly believe that this racist could possibly win, certainly not bc of the mass of automatically racist 'deplorables' that supported him. its those two assumptions right there that were our blindness, and not for the reasons most americans currently believe. we could have done it the MUCH easier way and united after electing our first half-black president and fully-black family. but we didnt, we decided to make a new war out of it. and now we have to take the much more painful route. but at least we have a fresh and immensely painful lesson staring us in the face, which should provide some impetus its a super tall order. fortunately ive been working on this a loooong time, so ive got some pretty good ideas where we can start

so in some other threads weve got the ball rolling on the most fubared topic of our time: race issues its not surprising that its the most fubared topic of our time. you could easily make the case that its been the most fubared topic of all of american history. in fact, it wouldnt be unreasonable at all to say its the most fubared topic in ALL of human existence so far its easy to see the widespread damage caused by this horrible historically perennial blunder. the worlds largest mass slaughters have usually included racial genocide as their centerpiece. americas legacy of physical and institutional slavery is the worlds most recent and dramatic example overt and intentional racism that sanctioned the brutal oppression of many millions of innocent people in an allegedly developed country. the election of an unqualified nationalistic demagogue like donald trump owes arguably its tragic unfolding to our latest devolutionary habit of choosing a race to universally and unfairly blame for all our race problems so i say we fix it right here its actually not all that hard. all we have to do is unravel the entire tangled web of totally f***ed up thinking that always poisons the thoughts of millions when highly emotional topics are brought up hey no problem! warning: some of these posts will be very long and difficult to digest. there is no way to get around that. there is so much emotion and superstition and bias built up over many generations there simply wont be many one sentence solutions to unravel all of that you should also expect to be offended - especially right now in american history. our race issue process is arguably as broken right now as it was when whitey was legally stringing up negros for talking back. our cultural standards have changed so that it is somewhat less overtly violent, but the social oppression is no less dramatic and no less real and no less of an anchor dragging us to the depths of dark human dysfunction. all weve really done is change the color of our primary target whether you recognize it or not, YOU are likely emotionally invested in that darkness and will resist the change that is necessary. that is all on you. YOU have to want to change YOU if you really want to fix this once and for all fortunately we have a golden example staring us right in the face: the fact that we elected trump should be the shocker that wakes you up to the reality that we MUST do something different now. otherwise we are going to just keep resurrecting the specter of racism over and over again in different camouflaged forms. just when we think we might have finally vanquished it, it will rise again in a new form like some f***ed up phoenix from the ashes to plague us like its obviously done in this last election cycle to be successful you will have to question the very fundamental nature of your race issue viewpoints and assumptions. most likely they are f***ed to the core. all we have to do is look at how brutally wrong our popular assumptions have consistently been on this topic to recognize we keep invented new ways screw this up. like we just did in november enter of your own free will. the average american DESPERATELY needs to commit to taking this step. its highly likely you are one of them. but if you dont like it and want to decline, theres the door lets get started

i have to go now. my sister is on a rare visit from calif with her beautiful and sweet korean and chinese daughter. so awesome to see them again i will be back to confront the swarming mob later. i gots yall some good stories to tell. so sharpen up those pitchforks and get them torches a blazin! awesome freakin question dude. we will definitely address this tbd

i will make this open offer that nobody every takes me up on i live in niagara falls. i routinely go to the ghetto to visit. come with me sometime, come see what i do. we could go to a black church, a black bible study, a black concert, a black weed dealers house. i can point out the places niggas got shot and died in the last few weeks. i can tell you the stories of their untimely deaths better yet, i can sit back and let my ghetto brothers tell you. your world will change. you will see i am on the side of right, the side of light, the side or real when it comes to our whiteness, our blackness, and the state of that vital relationship but you never do youd rather mob up and paint the life long civil right worker as racist what could possibly go wrong??? lmao! dude i love you! you are out of your freakin mind. funny as ѕhit. dont make a lot of sense but just flat out fun somehow

i dont even know who that is but let me try to swami it out here ozy is your resident 'racist'. he may or may not really be, but the point here is that you have previously mobbed up with other of what i call the "neo" or "new racists" to label ozy as your virulent racist so that you can discredit anything he says and do the same to others you choose to lump in with him the neo-racists unite! already the mob is forming, going to circle jerk each other to make SURE meathead is the automatic racist you can ignore do you not realize this is the same dynamic whitey used to oppress blacks, brutally in fact, and now you have planted the same poisonous seeds here? do you not realize this is the exact dynamic that brought us the disaster that is the donald? oh several things lined up to get us this worst result possible. but it was your neo-racism that was the biggest reason it happend you will hate this too, but i am the voice you need to listen to in order to escape this ridiculous race bias prison. we need to love our colored brothers and sisters, and that includes valid criticisms, even harsh ones when needed so you go ahead and mob up ... again ... and i will search for brothers and sisters to work with me to undo the horseshit you and the other neos have put into place peace my brothers. lets have at it

hahahaaa yeah that must be what i said theres always ppl that play your role. i hate to say it but you usually are a lost cause. like talking to a wall filter points being earned. if you want to level up on race issues id suggest you tamper that. not gonna hold my breath

embarrassing but i cant say i might not have fallen into that trap if i had owned a team at various points in my life. i had a couple periods where i drank too much and was lucky it never got caught on camera like that

sorry dude. im going to do a dc tom here and just admit im too tired of having this convo to do it right now you will hate this but im just too far past you on some of this, especially the race stuff. im not sure ive done this here yet, maybe i dont remember, but im gonna say this once and hopefully not have to repeat it my qualifications for speaking on race issues are - lifelong civil rights activist, or whatever you want to call it - hired more ppl of color in my business units of hundreds of ppl than all three of the other divisions put together in my group - twice served on rochester mayor johnsons councils for racial harmony - volunteered to help black folks read, get off drugs, and develop bidness plans - married a black woman - frequent visitor to black churches, revival concerts, chicken dinners, and bible studies - just flat out love black folks, and all ppl of any color, always have, always will so yeah, i get to say whatever the fk i want. and its good ѕhit too, if you are offended than its you that has the problem here brother. so you should sit up and listen

sorry boys. just dont see it that way i saw a greenie initially try to include republicans so that the program had a better chance to stick. it was a good idea, he was just too green and too black to make it work with the old old boys and THEN THEN THEN he forced it down their throats. then AFTER they had shown their total intransigence and he realized his blundere. and unfortunately AFTER he could have leveraged the total control that should have given him the edge to get it done if only he had the chops. he didnt and it was a blown oppty you conveniently forget that greenies intention was good. he just didnt have the penis to slap them into geting it done hillary there would have been terrific, she had an even bigger penis and the experience to use it. i think she gets at least enough repubs to cross over.and implement one of the other options that would have made it work. like medicare expansion, direct drug negotiations, and a shrunken insurance industry that provided cadillac plans and provided valuable competition at the margins you can call it revisionist, you can try to throw hyperbole back at me. doesnt change what i saw with my own eyes: a half negro trying to do something right but too naive to know he didnt stand a chance. shoulda moved when he had joe liberjew serving as the hero of the health care reform moment in his pocket but being a half brown greenie and all the drawbacks that brings doesnt relive him of that responsibility. he failed. both he and the republicans that sabotaged him get solid f minuses on that whole effort

man i sure hope they fix the overpowered qb dependance in the nfl before the entire sport gets banned for being too violent ... which should be no more than another fifty years or so

slighy hyperbolic, no? it was the republicans that were the party of no these two cycles most disgusting example is that we had the chance to really fix health care and obama really tried hard to get them to participate. but all they did was stonewall and sabotage until we got a crippled solution that was predictably going to fail, just so that they didnt have to lose political capitol. on this issue i would spit in their faces if i could reminder: voted for republicans for president for both those terms. they were still disgusting human beings through that whole process checks and balances is a vital concept that surely needs to be restored to its proper function. but all that good intention goes by the wayside when one side just decides to say no to everything bc they decide they can get away with it against a niave idealistic greenhorn. thats not nearly a good enough excuse and they deserve to be blown up over it. instead we got the donald. my only hope is that he will be the ultimate surprise and be the one to blow them up

so nobody voted for chinas rights to that island all you white guys that voted, of course you realize youre racist

my opinion on this entire coaching staff is fully dependant on how good the quarterback is

well the dwarves and exotic animals i can understand. but the young children thats just wrong

i hate that changing words thing. its gay. not homo gay, i love the fags, just not in THAT way. the lame kind of gay. sorry wanda sykes, words evolve different meanings and they arent always insulting to fags

we are headed back to m.a.d. as our primary deterrent. remember, that sucked ass well maybe chunks

agreed i would have started a treaty that partnered with the countries around china to put econmi ... oh wait cowboy trump is a hazardous path. chunks of the planet could be our penance. sunday

actually if we consider its - don being john wayne to china - china being kim jong to donald - both being crazy new leader to each other so its really the quadrangle web of world leader intransigence fkn awesome. in a crazy could blow chunks off the planet kinda way