Chilly

Circles are fun! This is going to come down to whether I believe the media or you, apparently, so I'm not sure its worth talking about anymore.

A lot of it was having to do with changing construction techniques and materials from what I recall. But its cool, government = bad, I got it.

Not surprisingly, you don't know how long it took me to create that (0 seconds) nor do you know how long different problems with the WTC project has delayed it (here's a hint, the security problems delayed it longer then 2 months, at least according to what I read back in 2005 in the NY Times).

You need a 2nd RB baddddddly. How many WRs do you start? I'd try to trade Roy Williams for a RB if you start 2 or 3.

Anyone else see it this morning? I had it on while I was doing other stuff. It just reinforced my hate for ESPN. Mark May said that tOSU's toughest game this year is Iowa, then 2 minutes later took Texas to win the National Championship. 2/3 took Iowa to win the Big 10. National Champ picks were Texas, Cal, and Miami. Good lord.

Sarcasm detector broken eh?

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I don't think that its exactly been fair by any stretch of the imagination, don't get me wrong, and for good reason. Having Holcomb as the QB would have been a disaster and a stupid move. However, I don't think that the "system" had anything to do with it being unfair. I think what it has been fair for, howevber, is seeing if JP can be the leader of this football team. All he had to do was prove that he could be nearly as good as Holcomb, or a bit worse (with his own unique positives) for him to get the nod. I do think that if Nall comes in and lights it up that its not definite that JP has won the job. I would expect for Marv and DJ to do anything they could to make sure that one of those guys wins it over Holcomb if the battle was close.

...except that the point of a QB competition is to find the QB that can run your offense the best. Not to find out what QB can run whichever system fits him best better then the other QB's most appropriate system.

I make a statement saying that I referenced two different points and thats what you get out of it. So its all the government's inefficiencies, whereas everything that I've read (national news stories, NY Times which I subscribe to, etc) have all pointed to having multiple reasons for the delays besides the government. And I'm supposed to believe that its *only* the government's inefficiencies because you don't live in Austin. Got it.

Theres a place right across the street from campus here that has quarter beer nights on budweiser and dos equis. Ridiculously cheap, and always packed.

Princeton's always done it anually, and playboy doesn't do it that often. After all, if we are talking about playboy, I'd rather be #1 in this ranking.

*sigh* All I've been saying this whole time is that not all of the friggin delays are caused by the inefficiency of government. There are complexities of having to reach a much wider audience (the entire US basically, but more specifically the population of New York) rather then just the specific audience that you are tailoring it for. Add to this additional public scrutiny and you have a recipe for delays. Your point was that it was the inefficiency of government that caused it to be delayed. The other point that I referenced was that the fact that it has to appeal to a very wide audience and is being scrutinized heavliy is the cause for the delays. My point was that it was probably a lot of both, and that they aren't mutually-exclusive for the causes of the delays. After all, there weren't any delays due to increased scrutiny

I used the term "government" as a collective term in my post, not seperating out each agency which is part of the process/trying to be part of it. Indeed, it does go through a totally different process. However, as far as complexity goes, I would wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. Private commercial ventures don't have to deal with the wide-ranging scope of what the public wants, but rather what would be best for the bottom line. Thus, designing a building that fits a budget/a private companies requirements requires much less. The memorial is being done as a public institution, not a private one. This increases the time that goes into development, planning, approval, design, and all other processes to get this built. To just blame the government 100% for the delays is to overlook such things as the original design needing to be redone to be further away from the street. Again, something you seem to be ignoring is that I'm not saying that government inefficiency isn't causing the majority of the delays, but rather that a large chunk of the delays also comes from things outside of governmental control (public desires, design issues, etc).

He just had to throw in (but very old) didn't he?

You owe me money for making me read that.

Neither what you said, nor what Matty said, are 100% correct. The real truth, I think, lies in delays from both the delays of government and the complications of build a tower this big in memorial of an event (which is what I was trying to say in my last post, a big reason for the delay is in the complications of building a tower, and also lies with the fact that its the government trying to get it done). Or you could just look at the Government as this evil entity who doesn't ever get the job done anywhere, as you are. Its easy to blame the government for any delays when you have an assumption that everything they do never gets done.

Because it wasn't handled by a private developer. A lot of it had to do with the fact that they had to redesign the tower's base and redo all the drafts/paperwork. Given how tall it's going to be, I'm not surprised at all that it has taken this long. And they have begun construction.

There once was a Frau from Recklinghausen Who blew a man named Friedrich von Hausen Her jokes were corny But she was really horny And once even !@#$ed a giant Fausen

So your ideas ARE a watered-down version of Nazism. You finally admitted it, yay!

Your defending national champion Texas Longhorns. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2338863

I'd dispute that. Austin gets !@#$ed up MUCH more then Buffalo. A lot has to do with it having a significant younger/college population. Not to mention the all-famous 6th street. By the way, we ranked 5th.

Yeah, because after a tragedy, I can just snap my fingers and have a multi-million dollar public construction project complete. Edit: To make myself more clear, the way Nagin said it was absolutely retarded, and thats what I'm getting at.

Christ. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/25/katrina.nagin.ap/index.html