Bill from NYC

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only a fellow Bills fan would understand this kind of humor. And I'm sure that you want to win as much as the OP. As I have stated many times, Bills fans each have our own coping mechanisms.

John, this will be my final post wrt Spiller on this thread, and for the week. Next week, I will comment on his body of work, OK? I don't play fantasy football. I don't knock it mind you, But from my point of view, I see the possibility that it could alter my view of the game, and make me look at stats more than I should. For instance, if Fitz throws zero picks next week and a td or 2, his overall stats will not look so bad. I think that we can agree on this. But, will this make him a legit QB? You tell me, my friend. In this thread, a poster shared a stat that Spiller, in virtually the same amount of carries as FJ, had the same amount of fumbles. I thank said poster for this info, but does it make you wonder why FJ was clearly viewed as the starter coming into the season? Dropped passes, picking up blitzes, passes off of his hand for ints might enter into the equation, no? But these things don't always show uo in fantasy stats. I want wins just like you John, and every other fan on this board. The Bills are 1-6 in games in which Spiller started. Do I blame him exclusively? Absolutely NOT!!! But I DO want him to improve on the things that he needs work on. I want him to take over a game and win it for us, and he has the actual talent to do so. Now, am I a bit shell shocked from the way this team has been managed? Of course. Our secondary alone boasts 2 early second round picks, and 2 early firsts. Who had our only interception? Yes, this is frustrating. The OL, which I have bitched about for years on end, looks pretty good. And we are STILLL losing. As Edward's Arm said, we have devoted untold resources to RBs and DBs, and it has only resulted in losses. In any event, if I was a bit rough on Spiller, do see where it was coming from. I want this team to win!!! I want wins from those to whom we devoted major resources, and who are very well paid. The exception would be McKelvin. He, imo, should be traded or tossed. Thanks, as always, for the dialogue.

Exactly. We should be able to sit back and watch him display his God given talent, without having to worry about turnovers. And with FJ perhaps done, they are going to REALLY need this kid to step up. It looks like he has in terms of carrying the football, which is good news. Was he the biggest problem in this game? Of course not. I am still sick to my stomach wrt this game. Fitz was indescribably bad, and he did have enough time. The defense, led by our secondary, was also flat out horrible. What a freaking nightmare!

We can agree to disagee. Or, you can cite the football games Spiller has won us. Either way, is this all that you have to say? What did you think of our corners? Or the coaching? I'm with you 100% that Fitz sucked, and he was SO bad that he should have been pulled.

Fumbles like his give away football games. This is nothing new either. Passes fly off his hands for interceptions as well. He will not be an elite player until he fixes his bad habits. His stats were great. Now, how about him winning us a football game? How many has he won for us? Serioulsy, you tell me!

1) BEAUTIFUL run by CJ before the half. This time, he hit the hole fast and his speed did prevail. Fine thanks. Btw, great blocks on that play by both Levitre and Glenn. 2) Did anyone see McKelvin take a knee with 20 or so seconds remaining inthe first half on a kickoff? This while down by 20 points. More to come on this. 3) I think that I like Cordy Glenn, costly penaly or not. 4) For the record, Lee Smith is better than most of you think. We all know that Stevie Johnson can play, and so can Chandler. And props to, and high hopes for Donald Jones. 5) Absolutely horrible picks thrown by Fitz. The first one could have been a crucial completion if he put air under it. And by and large, he had enough time today. I would have pulled him to be honest. More to come. 6) Go ahead.....tell me about the wonderful stats that Spiller had today. I'm not impressed. His fumble before the half cost us an opportunity to get back into the football game. And this is nothing new. Many of us cling to stats in order to justify whatever or whoever we chose to validate, be it management, coaches, players, or dumb draft selections. I personally do not. I want us to make the f-*^$%g playoffs. 7) Gailey needs to step up and take charge of this football team. He should have taken Fitz out immediately after the pick at the start of the second half. He should have benched McKelvin who gave up pass after pass. He gave up both HUGE first downs and touchdowns. Justin Rogers could not have played any worse. I have backed Gailey as an offensive mind from day one. But I am going to start looking closer at him as a game manager, and a leader of this football team. And Wanny was, not decisive enough today. How could he have not pulled McKelvin? Seriously. 8) Please don't dominate the rap Jack, if you'[ve got nothing new to say. If you please, don't back up the track, this train's got to come today. I spent a little time on the mountain; spent a little time on the hill. I heard some say, "better run away." Others say, "better stand still." 9) This game, in some way, endeared me to Kelsay. How sick is that? He gave it all he had, and as a fan I appreciate this. 10) OK, here is the REAL deal wrt McKelvin. I would call him mentally challenged, but this would be an insult to the mentally challenged. If I could, I would put him on the trading block right this very second. If I couldn't grab a 7th rounder, I would cut his stupid, nonchalant, inept ass as we speak. Bills management needs to set an example that horrible effort and play will NOT be acceptd. He needs to get the !@#$ off of our football team. 11) Btw, Gilmore sucked today. This is not good news. Hopefully, Gilmore will not be a repeat of resources wasted at db. But let's watch and see, OK? It WAS only game 1 of his career. And btw, A. Williams looked like a stumblebum. This reflects upon Nix. 12) We are in this together. People, don't quit. 13) Thanks Diana 14) GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Excellent!!! I've got something set up for my "thoughts" later on lol.

1) Aaron Williams: The 2nd selection in round 2 of 2011. You were a rookie, and an injured one to boot. All is forgiven, but you need to really step up and defend passes. The DL will give you a head start. And, how about helping out on running plays? 2) Leodis McKelvin: 11th pick in round 1. You are not a kid any more. You lack football instincts, but who is to say that you can't make up for this with harder work? After all, you are in your contract year. It's time for some game changing plays, and again, the pass rush has to help. Meanwhile, all bets are off. I hereby grant you amnesty lol, however temporary. 3) CJ Spiller Ah, 9th selection of a draft..... You offered a glimpse of hope in your last 6 games, averaging 73 yds. rushing per game. And you did much of this behind a beat up OL. Well, Pears has a year under his belt as a starter, as does Urbik. Wood is back, Levitre is very good. So, the slate is clean coming into the season, but you are pretty much out of excuses. 4) Fitz You deserve a pass due to your effort, and heart. You really should be given better field possession this year. You too now have a full season under your belt. The OL seems to be at least average, and you can move around. But, cut down on the picks, and capitalize upon what you are best at. And win us some games! Now, I am ASKING for a pass/break: Stephon Gilmore I know that you are a rookie, but we are Bills fans. It's unfair to expect huge things from you, but we do nonetheless. Our production has been minimal from a huge majority of our top draft selections for some time. Please give US a break, and take the ball away, starting today. Pick one (or 2) off!!! Force a fumble on a running play!!! Produce, and you will get HUGE fan support, and be looking down the road to a big, fat contract. Less than 6 hours to go. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you notice that on some of those runs, he got HUGE blocks from Pears? I did, and find this interesting. Glenn, although playing LT, is a similar, monster type OT (in lieu of finesse), or so it would appear. If the OTs can flatten people, I am hoping that CJ can break a couple of long ones to the end zone. And that Freddie can do the same up the middle.. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rex is a good defensive mind. Way better than average imo. But if I was a billionaire and could buy an NFL team, I would hire Wade Phillips as DC, and pay him virtually whatever he wants. Wade transformed 3 different defensive teams. And, it didn't matter what the offense was doing, and even injuries failed to slow him down. Now, I have zero issues with Wanny. Not one. In fact I have very high hopes for him. But consider this post a tribute to Wade. The man knows his defense and puts Ryan to shame imo.

Coach, here are the picks that seem to be ok, IMO: 2010: Moats is doing fine for a 6th. 2011: Dareus: A no-brainer but would Jauron have taken him? My guess is no. Searcy: Might be ok; too early to tell. Hairston: Wonderful pick in terms of when he was selected. Rogers: A 7th rounder who I think is going to be a good player. I think that his big mistakes were Spiller in 2010, and A. Williams in 2011, due to the "numerous offers to trade down." Let's hope that these were good picks as well. Time will tell.

Wow. I wish that I was as confident as you. In his last 6 games he averaged 73 yards on the ground. Those are fairly decent stats, but he doesn't block well, and he drops some passes. Decent back? Maybe. Top back? Imo he has way more to prove. WAY more.

Max, as you well know, this board does not only consist of pom-pom waving. my team right or wrong, homers ( this is NOT a reference to you). This board, at least for me, is about dialogue. Expecting everybody in this thread to hold Levy in the highest esteem is unrealistic. Marv is a smart man, and he did a good job soothing the egos of superstars.But, as he gained power with the departure of Polian, the team went down. Instead of looking to replace aging stars, he focused on defensive backs. When he took over as GM, he was even worse. He set back this franchise a very long way as soon as he arrived, with Jauron in tow, in 2006. Marv was more of a figurehead than a football man. He got the Bills to the SB 4 years in a row. This is something to be lauded, their talent level notwithstanding. But as a coach, he doesn't measure up to the true greats. And as a GM, he is to be likened to Rich Kotite. He was truly pathetic.

Ya think? I would say Polian might have helped.

The thing is, Fitz, imo, is better than Trent, Losman, RJ, etc. The difference is, he is able to play professional, NFL football. He's an unusual qb, in that he doesn't really look like one, nor is he extremely accurate. But Fitz is a gamer, can run very well, and he's smart enough to grasp Gailey's system, which is intricate. Gil Brandt was raving about Gailey today on Sirius. Chan is a well respected offensive mind, who has a system, and really does grasp the modern NFL. Fitz can too, and can implement it. And, Fitz works well with Stevie Johnson. They were scrubs/bench warmers together, and worked out with each other. And they click. Imo, this played a big role in SJ staying here. I don't have all the answers, but I tell myself that last season, the Marcel Dareus led the team in sacks, and got some of them from the nose. In other words, there was zero pass rush. This will change with the new additions up front. What we desperately need is a lb who can play at this level, other than Barnett. As far as the secondary, one has a right to hope that they will be ok. There are two early second round picks and 2 first rounders back there. And McKelvin is in a contract year, which is fine with me. In short, we have every right to expect an improved football team, and it starts in 8 days. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John, here ya go..... You are a wonderful poster. I truly believe that you know what you are looking at when you watch football. And no, we don't always agree, but this is what is GOOD about this board, not bad. Wrt Spiller, he is lightning fast. We all know this. He can get open on passing downs. We know this too. And one more thing that we know is that he had decent to good stats late in 2011. These are givens. BUT, he needs to improve. He must block when called upon, He need to get through holes quicker, and passes CANNOT fly off his hands for interceptions if we are to win enough football games in order to make the playoffs. I am seriously rooting for him. Because, we need improvement from him in order to win enough games to reach the playoffs. Do you disagree? Fitz? Again, I liken him to Flutie, big time. Flutie had a very good defense when he was with us. But players who are limited as such do need a head start. He can't throw as well as other gifted quarterbacks. But just as you said, Fitz really does have some intangible qualities. I love it when he takes off and runs. I'm not going to look at his stats, but he is far more athletic than he looks. And he is VERY smart. Again, he will win and lose us games, but with help from the defense, he is capable of a lot imo. Wrt corners, again, ask Simon, not me. But there were things I saw in Rogers that make me glad that he is on this football team. And if he can play, this would be a HUGE score. Look at where he was drafted! McKelvin was a mid round first John. A total waste of prime resoueces. What we as fans, and especially the Bills organization need to look at imo is which players can win us football games. Freaking John Holocek actually won us a couple of games. This season, at least 3 players on the DL can, and perhaps even Anderson. Can he get to the qb just a step before Kelsay? Players to whom SO much was devoted such as Gilmore, A. Williams, and Byrd should have every opportunitiy to make game winning plays. And as I said, if Glenn can produce, we will be able to run the football big time. Let's get this party started!!! GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL Pooj! It's tougher than it would appear. Believe it or not I try to be prepared for a win or a loss, but I'm easily thrown off. Hunter's lyrics are opaque and I actually put effort into picking the right ones. And yes, this is strange.

I for one prefer TSW in the offseason. To me, this is where we out class other boards. There are people here who truly put time and effort into predicting what the Bills need, and will do in free agency, and especially the draft. You people know who you are; please accept my thanks. I will refrain from naming names. Thanks to the mods, and of course SDS for giving us this forum. I for one deeply appreciate it, and feel privileged to post here. And I'm even more privileged to have met so many nice people in person at RWS. I hope to make it again this season, but we shall see. This, imo, is a different team this year, or so I hope. The following are scattered, but well considered opinions on what we need, and will perhaps see this season: 1) Don't worry about McGee. Worry about Brooks and Rogers. I would settle for either of them to step up and be a good corner. Simon is an expert on secondary play. I watch blockers, so take this with a grain of salt, but my money is on Rogers. Again, I know little wrt the secondary. Maybe he won't even make the final cuts. But from where I sit, this kid is going to be good. 2) Think of Fitz as a modern day Flutie. It's hard to do because they look so different. Seriously. But players like him will win AND lose you games. He isn't as bad as his detractors say. He just isn't. And, I don't see anyone saying that he is great. But, imo he can win us some games. Or so I hope. 3) The DL might be top 5. Dareus was great as a rookie. If he stays healthy and on course, they will seriously destroy people. 4) I did manage to see a little bit of Glenn. I don't know.....but if he IS a player, their running game will be off the charts. 5) Spiller? He has a ton to prove. He needs to attack holes and hold onto passes. And he needs to do this NOW. Seriously, how much more room does he deserve? 6) This franchise needs to make the playoffs. We fans are as deserving as one could ever imagine. We have stayed with this team through thick and thin. Now is the time. Hate me for it, but I would settle for a wildcard at this point. Happily. 7) The LB crew is not looking good. My hopes for Sheppard are not high. This can be a problem. 8) Please. let's re-sign Levitre. He can flat out block! 9) God bless you all, and GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sad but true. Nicely played!!!!!

Does Canton have a homeless shelter?

Yes, this is a cause for alarm. I give Chan/Nix some room because as soon Levy/Jauron rolled into town, they started screwing up the team. Jauron had a huge say in the draft, and after Levy left, he might well have had final say (other than perhaps Ralph). They left the Bills a complete mess, and Jauron got a job as a defensive backs coach. Somehow, Cleveland was stupid enough to hire him as DC. Watch what happens. Jauron was unthinkably bad in every phase of his job.

5) CJ Spiller. Is he really averaging 1.2 yards per carry, and now a fumble? Why don't they take FJ out? Why risk injury? Unless they are afraid that Spiller can't block and they don't want Fitz to get killed. In any event, it would seem fair to say that Spiller needs more reps. Or, is he now a 3rd string back?

It cannot be. Jauron is bad in every single phase of being a head coach. He isn't even good as a defensive coordibator. Watch what happens to Cleveland this season. He uses the worst formations I have ever seen. His players run away from the line of scrimage, and he believes in building from the secondary. He used to send Schobel out on pass coverage. Offensively, he was probably worse. He had not one clue in terms of clock management. He made utterly bizzare calls in terms of when to kick field goals, and didn't bring an offensive formula into games. Gailey might not be one of the all time great coaches, but he is not to be denied in terms of offensive game plans. He is an intellectual, and it works well with a healthy Fitz. I think that the real difference between Gailey and Jauron is that wrt Gailey, given enough talen,t he could actually win. I hope to see this soon. Jauron couldn't win under any conditions. He employs a "play not to lose" philosophy that never has worked, nor will it ever.

Why settle for so little. I'm pretty sure we could get a 4th for him.

So what? In 2008, Jackass Jauron drafted Leodis McKelvin. right before Clady, Brandon Albert, and Joe Flacco were selected. Assuming McKelvin too was highly ranked (and I'm guessing that he was), would this justify such stupidity? The team needed blockers and a quarterback, and chose Leodis McKelvin. In 2010, the Bills needed everything except a running back, and chose Spiller. Sorry, pre-draft rankings do not justify this imo. As I am 100% sure you recall, after the Spiller selection, Mr. Wilson, who was a little more active at the time, was quoted as saying that the team needed, "excitement." This was a very, very questionable selection at the time, and remains such today. And, I will always suspect that Mr. Wilson had some input in terms of ticket sales. The good news is that Nix has made some very good UFA signings, and I'm not simply referring to Mario. Other good news? The season is creeping up upon us.