mike22nc

Well, Youboty is 1 year older than Mckelvin, and 1 year younger than Corner...He was a first round talent who came out for the draft too early. Hopefully he's just coming into his own now. The last thing I'd want is to trade a guy like that for a mid round pick, which is all we'd get for him.

You discount Lee's ability I think...If he's worth a billion gajillion over infinity years, that means he's worth ~0 per year since: 1 billion gajillion/infinity approaches 0

Um...I'm thinking maybe it's because Pacman may be going to jail for his part in a shooting at a club during the NBA allstar weekend, and that the Titans may end up just cutting the guy after his repeated scrapes with the law. He fits in REAL well with the type of player Marv and Co. are looking for... D'oh

6'2" 165--Either a WR who doesn't go over the middle or a CB who doesn't hit...

The definition of troll is: "I know this guy is messing around trying to argue something he doesn't really believe just to get a rise out of people, yet I still want to stab the sh-- out of him." At least that's how I feel right now...

Um, we just lost by a point to the best team in the NFL. People around here are frigging ridiculous...

It's been good for Lindell for the last 2 years, he hasn't had to make a pressure kick. Now down a point against the undefeated Colts he has a chance to take the lead. Too much pressure for him...

I just looked at my last post, and I dont want anyone thinking that I believe Jordan is better than McGahee. I was just putting his year in perspective.

Ummm...Lamont Jordan was pretty good last year. 1025 yards rushing in 14 games and was a big threat in the passing game. If he played the entire 16 games, his stats project to 1171 yards rushing on 311 carries with 10 TD rushing and 643 yard receiving on 80 catches with 2 TD. That's 7 TD and 389 yards more than McGahee had last year...

I find this argument to be vapid and completely incorrect. If Bledsoe played error free (I dont consider the safety a mistake by Losman, but by our O-line) football, with a 65% completion rate and 164 yards on 15 completions, we'd have all been happy. How often did Bledsoe only take 3 sacks in a game? How often was Bledsoe able to avoid the rush and make a play like Losman did yesterday? Also, something that I haven't seen brought up too much, the game was unbelievably short, with only 50 offensive plays for the Bills. This is pretty much due to the Bills inability to stop the rush, keeping the clock running. I dont see how you can discount Losman's ability to put points on the board when the game was going to be low scoring by default. Losman's stats by drive First drive: Losman 4/5 43 yds Second drive: 3/3 36 yds Third drive: 0/1 incomplete on third and 6 Fourth drive: 1/2 6 yds, after being sacked by unblocked Colvin on 1st and 10 Fifth drive: 2/4 19 yds incomplete on third and 7 Sixth drive: 4/5 50yds Drive stalls at 7 when McGahee is stopped on 4th and 1 Seventh drive: 0/1 holding declined on 3rd down incomplete pass on 3rd and 8 Eighth drive: 0/1 sacked for a safety on 3rd and 11 Ninth drive: 1/1 10 yds Illegal block in the back negates first down pass Where would you like him to improve? Is he suppose to convert every third down? Complete every pass? With the opportunities he was given, he played very very well. I'm not even going to put qualifiers, such as 'for his ninth career start', on his performance. He played well regardless...

Um...this topic has gotten to page 2 without any mention of the Juice?

Kelso at the 40! Kelso at the 30! Kelso at the 20!

That's not that big of a deal, with only 10.5 mil in bonus money. I would be suprised if Clements accepted any less than 15-18 up front and 50 total over 7 years. Don't know how Woodson signing for less than that really affects Clements at all...

Losman- 77 Mcgahee- 90 Shelton- 79 Evans- 90 Parrish- 78 Price-80 Gandy- 78 Anderson- 69 Fowler- 78 Villarial- 82 Peters- 81 Everett- 79 Royal-80 Schobel- 90 Tripplett- 86 Anderson- 74 Kelsay- 78 Spikes- 95 Fletcher- 88 Posey- 77 McGee- 86 Clements- 92 Vincent- 80 Bowen- 71 Moorman- 98 Lindell- 81 This years draft class Bush- 89 Vernon Davis- 87 This is not to say Davis is better than D'Brick or others, but his physical attributes would require his overall rating to be at least 87, with 92 spd etc. Ngata- 83 Bunkley- 82 Justice- 80 Huff-84 Cutler-79 Young-80 Leinart-83 Ferguson-85 Hawk-84 Williams-85

I've heard the Titans are deciding between Leinart and Young, so I dont think Cutler would be their selection there...

The funniest thing about the clip is the guys kicking the air then running backwords. And what did the guy expect to happen when he slapped a man. If you slap a man, you better be ready to fight. You probably shouldn't turn away from the guy... You know what, scratch that, dont slap men.

Erik Flowers was another player to soar up draft boards based on impressive workouts rather than his college play. I'll pass on Justice, especially at #8. 667256[/snapback] Ugh, I hate these comparisons that continue to be made. It seems as if guys like Bunkley and Justice are almost downgraded by some here because of their superior workouts. Justice was considered a top 15 player before his pro day. But now, because of the buzz from his workout, some people label him a workout warrior. Bunkley is actually a guy who has shot up draftboards because of his combine workout, as he was a boarderline 1st rounder in early mocks that I saw. But he was a high quality DT for FSU this year. It's not like these guys just showed up to work out off the street and there is no tape to go back to and watch. I'd rather not draft Justice 8th, as I think the most pressing need on our O-Line is at guard. So I like either Bunkley, Ngata or Huff in the first, but I wouldn't hate it if Justice were the pick there...

Did they say he tore the same acl 3 times??!!! No thank you!

This game looks pretty in depth as a strategy simulation of football. You play the coach and GM, but you dont actually play the games like in Madden. I'm looking forward to it too. Check this out: http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/sports/nflhead...tml?sid=6146845

"(Round 1) Ngata--timed as fast as 4.84 in the 40, the biggest in the Top 10." The only way Ngata ever timed a 4.84 is if he was running down a pretty steep hill...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2361969 With the cap room added on with the new collective bargaining agreement, why dont we try and trade for Walker and sign him long term? Imagine the future with Evans and Walker at WR and McGahee at HB. You think they'd take a 2nd rounder?

Mike Williams has been our best O-lineman for the past year and a half, and while that isn't saying much, to say that he's one of the biggest busts of the 21st century is ridiculous. Has he been worth the money? No. Has he lived up to being the 4th pick? No. But he wasn't benched because of his poor performance at RT. He was injured, and Peters came in and played very well in his place. The Bills wanted to get their best 5 lineman on the field, Bennie Anderson had been playing terribly, so the Bills tried to move Williams to guard. The only thing I dont get is why we didn't leave Williams at RT, move Gandy to LG, the position he is most accustomed to, and put Peters in at LT, the position we were suposedly grooming him to take over.

I have an argument on this topic that might not be accepted by most of you. It seems to me that some of the greatest players of all time looked out for themselves before team. I think that, with these players, when they have the drive to make themselves as great as they became, there has to be some selfishness. They didn't become what they became for the team. Michael Jordan was all about himself, he would give 100% no matter what, because he wanted to win, but he won for his own competitive spirit, not for his teammates. Deion Sanders: one of the best CBs of his time, one of the best showmen of his time. Jerry Rice: Best WR of all time. If he didn't get the ball, he was pissed. That's probably why he turned out to be so great. It seems to me that champions that are selfish get off the hook. If Michael Jordan never won a championship, how would we see him today? Would he not be the guy who was a great individual player, averaging 30 ppg, but could never play within the team concept? Most great receivers want the ball and if they dont get it, they complain, I think that's just part of the mindset they have as playmakers. Now, TO is a different story, because he has openly bashed his entire organization, including the guy that's throwing him the ball. Plus, he wouldn't shut up about his contract that he signed the previous year. I just think that he's a person who's never grown up.

To me, it isn't the one 3rd and short that is the problem, it's that 90% of the 3rd and shorts that the Bills get, Shaud Williams is in the game and we dont even think about running.

Here's the entire article on McGee He earned his first set of NFL stripes on special teams, as Buffalo Bills return ace Terrence McGee posted an average of 26.3 yards on kickoff returns in 2004 and had three runbacks for touchdowns, a performance that won the youngster his first Pro Bowl berth. Now McGee is poised to earn a contract extension, not so much as a result of his kickoff-return prowess, but because the third-year veteran has emerged over the past 1½ seasons as a viable starting cornerback and a player the Bills want to lock up for the long-term. There have been sporadic discussions about a contract extension for McGee since about the middle of last season, after he assumed the starting role when Troy Vincent was first injured and then subsequently moved to free safety upon his return. But ESPN.com has learned that negotiations were ramped up this week when Buffalo proposed a four-year extension that would run through the 2009 season, and include a $4.5 million signing bonus and a total of $16.75 million in so-called "new money." Terrence McGee Cornerback Buffalo Bills Profile 2005 SEASON STATISTICS Tot Ast Solo FF Sack Int 32 27 5 0 0 2 At an average of $4.19 million over the extension seasons, those numbers were sufficient enough to grab the rapt attention of McGee and agent Terry Bolar, who had previously rebuffed offers aimed at a contract add-on. Bolar is expected to make a counterproposal to the Bills early next week and could even travel to Buffalo for face-to-face negotiations. It's fair to suggest McGee and his representative are encouraged by the offer and that the climate for consummating an extension is significantly improved. That same term, significantly improved, could also be employed to describe the play of McGee, a fourth-round pick from Division I-AA Northwestern (La.) State in the 2003 draft, and a player chosen more for his return skills than his coverage abilities. But forced into the starting lineup last season when Vincent was sidelined by a knee injury, McGee proved to be a revelation, teaming with Nate Clements to provide Buffalo with one of the NFL's best young cornerback tandems. McGee started 13 games, registered 95 tackles (the third-most by any cornerback in the league), three interceptions and 15 passes defensed, and demonstrated an innate ability to get around the football. McGee, 25, lacks the prototypical size (5-9, 195 pounds) every team is seeking now at the cornerback position, but he has a feisty demeanor, won't back down from anyone, is quick to support the run and is improving in coverage. In six games this season, McGee has 32 tackles, two interceptions and four passes defensed. While the Bills' No. 1 ranking in defense versus the pass is somewhat misleading, given that opponents have been able to successfully run at a unit that is only 30th against the ground game, the secondary has been solid, with Clements and McGee on the corners and Vincent and Lawyer Milloy manning the safety spots. Every week, it seems, McGee gets a little better in mastering the nuances of cornerback play. He attributes much of his improvement to his coaches and the veterans around him in the Bills' secondary, but also acknowledged that having the opportunity to log snaps at cornerback in the Pro Bowl, where he got to play some from scrimmage in addition to his return responsibilities, helped accelerate his personal learning curve. "It's man-to-man coverage [at the Pro Bowl], because there are restrictions on what you are allowed to do defensively, so you're just hung out there yourself most times," McGee said. "And you're working, even in practice, against the best, most [technically] gifted wide receivers in the league. You get a chance to see every route, every move, every trick these guys have. It's like a classroom on the field, a great learning experience. It added to my confidence that I can be a top cornerback. I'm sure people used to think of me mostly as a return guy and maybe say, like, 'Oh, yeah, he can play some corner, too.' You get a lot more chances to make plays at cornerback than on kickoff returns, so that's where I want to most excel. I want to be a double threat, you know?" Certainly the honors he has garnered for his special-teams play eclipse the recognition he has received at cornerback so far, but the Bills feel that McGee is a defender on the rise and a big part of their future plans. Otherwise, they wouldn't be offering him an extension worth more than $4 million per year, a pricey tax bracket that not even McGee himself could have predicted he might someday be in when he entered the NFL in 2003. Last week's victory over the New York Jets graphically demonstrated McGee's ability to make huge contributions in both areas. On defense, he had four tackles, an interception and three passes defensed. He also set up two scores, a touchdown and a field goal, with kickoff runbacks of 43 and 42 yards. Through the first six weeks of the season, McGee leads the NFL with 519 yards on 15 returns, and his 34.6-yard average is more than five yards better than the league's No. 2 kickoff returner, Darren Sproles of San Diego. The field position he can potentially provide the Bills is key, especially with the struggles the Buffalo offense has experienced this season. Coach Mike Mularkey admitted this week that the Buffalo staff has actually considered using McGee on offense in some situations. Securing the services of McGee for the long-term, particularly at a palatable price for an ascending player, is a priority of sorts for Bills officials. Clements, regarded by many in the NFL as one of the league's top five cornerbacks, and just 25 years old, is eligible for unrestricted free agency after this season. The five-year veteran has strongly hinted that he expects to be the NFL's highest-paid cornerback and Buffalo will probably have to use the "franchise" marker, at a cost of roughly $9 million for the qualifying offer, to retain their 2001 first-round draft choice. Finishing off the extension for McGee would at least guarantee the services of a young, emerging cornerback for the long-term. And for McGee, who signed a three-year, $1.217 million contract as a rookie in 2003, the extension would represent enhanced financial security as well. Without an extension, the Bills will probably use the middle-level qualifying offer for a restricted free agent, which McGee would be without an add-on, likely to be about $1.6 million, to retain right of first refusal. Under terms of the proposal the Bills made this week, McGee could essentially pocket $5.4 million more than the restricted free agent qualifying offer for '06. The tradeoff is that, with an extension, McGee would forfeit his rights to become an unrestricted free agent following the '06 campaign. But unless there is an extension to the collective-bargaining agreement, and soon, McGee would not be unrestricted anyway, since a player will need six seasons of tenure, not the current four, to be an unrestricted free agent in an "uncapped" year, which 2007 could become. McGee is progressing as a solid cornerback and, with the events of this week, contract negotiations have some positive momentum now, too. Those two components could converge into a contract extension at some point in the near future.