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But I wasn’t asked a question, the question was directed to @reddogblitz. If you’re into internet characterizations and labels, it was an attempt to hijack. Be that as it may, the subject matter of the post I attempted to hijack was about George W Bush and the relative corruption of his administration. That poster referenced Dan Bongino, a pundit well known for suggesting Obama was the most corrupt president in history. I backfilled the 544 test and have concluded that I personally would not have started the answer to a query about George W Bush with “What about George W Bush...”. Thank you.

I considered what you offered here and rejected it because it’s nonsensical. However, great misuse of one of the most overused internet expressions of the day. Next, use straw man incorrectly.

Without a hint of irony. Howard Stern. Access to every piece of intelligence the country has ever gathered. The same. I did, and maybe I jumped the gun. I’m hearing that lots of critical intelligence decisions were made by the guest hosts on Rowan and Martin’s Laugh In.

I’ll play. Why are Barry, Michelle, Geo and Laurz best friends now? Forgive and forget? Shared bond of dispatching impotent dictators? Thruple, one extra to man the camera?

So, you’ll go so far as to compare a guy shooting the breeze with a dopey radio show host to guy who was a multi-decade US Senator fully and completely briefed by the intelligence community? A realty TV pitchman to a guy who given the experience and wisdom after decades in Washington who should have known the war was a mistake? This is priceless. DJT complicit in the Iraq War, the guy who actually voted for it and bragged about it presidential. This. is. epic.

The book has yet to be titled, but I’m not hating what you’ve suggested. To whit: Your intolerance of peaceful protests, your intolerance of American voices uplifted in unison for a cause, while stumbling about blindly yelling that state-sponsored infection of our most vulnerable population, marks you as very easily manipulated. Your acceptance that the agonizing and lonely death certain to follow reflects a real crackerjack job of pandemic management marks you as gullible. Further, when viewed in the context of support for protests this summer, Cuomo’s failure to address the hundreds of thousands of people protesting in the streets—no social distancing, poor mask discipline, shouting and screaming and In some cases rioting and looting—would by his own definition cause a massive spike in cases and deaths. He’s knuckles deep in the death and chaos, but he’s got you out pimping for him. Chapter 7: Pay Attention, Dipsh8t. ”If ya always fall for what ya always fell for before, ya best get some bandaids because you’re about to skin your knee again. LS, PhD Knower of Stuff Btw, it’s poor form not to address a question asked in good faith, and I believe you were sincere on the question regarding the trip to the Church. I think it’s fairly standard fare for a president to go where he wants to go, when he wants to go, and when he goes, the area is cleared. I think, for example, if Joe Biden chose Albany to meet with Indira Ghandi- a definite possibility— I think his team would evaluate the route for threats, devise a route to travel and push forward with those plans. If I ran out in the middle of them street as the motorcade approached, I believe strongly that I would be dealt with swiftly and decisively, and the likelihood of injury to me would be high. I do not believe the motorcade would stand down or seek and alternate route. Likewise, if a substantial number of activists rush to block the road, the response increases exponentially. So, I didn’t spend much time worrying about the response then, and don’t now. I’m personally much more concerned about the “list” that AOC is compiling and what the fallout for being on that list might be. It’s got a vaguely Khmer Rouge feel to it.

I’m writing a book about the fragility of the liberal mind. Let me know how this makes you feel, and you’ll be featured prominently in Chapter 6. “You’re allowed to carry any emotional baggage you want, but that don’t mean you get to take up my space in the overhead compartment.”” LS, PhD Internet Self-Help Guru Btw, don’t be offended you’re going to appear in Chapter 6, I already titled it “Teargas or Crocodile Tears?”.

The participants in the Million MAGA March are organizing and protesting as is their right under the Constitution. It’s none of your concern why they are marching, unless of course you share their concerns. The simple reality is that if open air protests/riots the likes of which we saw this summer did not result in superspreader events, you have noting to fear. Social distance, wear your mask, speak quietly indoors, keep your laughter light and don’t yell, and for God’s sake have your partner face south when you are facing north, assuming of course that’s not already your jam. You’ll be fine.

It’s too soon to reconcile anything of the like, at least for me. It’s clear that Democracy dies in darkness, even when it’s a cheesy slogan for a newspaper that positions deep and hard hitting opinion pieces disguised as news next to paid advertisement for a new Subaru. Let’s see this all through, there is nothing to fear, no reason to be afraid, the worst that will happen is a result one side or the other finds unfavorable. Should it come to pass, I would suggest we simply start with a release of all the facts and details of any ethics investigations into senator, congresspersons, VP and Presidential candidates. The incestuous world of Washington politics is something most everyone agrees is a problem when they have no stake in the game one way or the other. Agree on Iraq war. We know the narrative that Obama rode into office—Bush the W starts the war for personal political and financial gain. Oddly, post war, they spend a lot of time fingerpoppin’ each other’s aholes—credit to the writers of 21 Jump Street—and if I’m not mistaken Michelle has a Woner (w *****, credit to Pitch Perfect) and Laura better watch her back. War criminal to besties. That’s odd. In fact, I’m all for declassifying anything that doesn’t get people killed or compromise national intelligence. The challenge is that there is significant latitude to redact based on Potential embarrassment to the investigators. It will not happen because as much of an F U person DJT is, he loves his family and loves his children. Schumer said it and went unchallenged by the major media outlets and dem leadership: “they’ll find six ways to Sunday to get you.”. There are far, far worse things that can happen than breaking a Clinton in a public political curb stomp, being the US President and having your fingerprints on one of the greatest financial engines in the history of the country, And losing in an election that inspired more than 72m voters to punch their ticket on your behalf, then going home to your billions and having Melania meet you at the door. Btw-he gained supporters, and will gain more should the Simpleton-elect ascend to the White House and push forward with his agenda.

I’m nearly 59 years old, dialed in politically, speak with a diverse group of friends and associates from across the political spectrum. I’ve certainly been paying attention for the past 25-30 years. I’ve heard long and involved debates over excessive taxation, the cost of foreign wars of the type Biden covets, grumblings about the size of government, the incredibly high cost of govt salaries/benefit/pensions, tax giveaways for corporations and the wealthy, the devastating effects of COVID on the economy....but can’t recall a single extended discussion on the backbreaking costs of a recount on a presidential election. What are these costs, and where are all the people fretting over them? On this little cross section of the American experience, most comments seem to be centered around not proceeding because they feel like their candidate won. In response to your question, as a stakeholder in the election and a taxpayer, I’m interested in seeing the legal challenges through and don’t really care how much it costs.

We're making progress. You went from an odd horse analogy boxed with wrapping paper for reasons unknown, to a stale and overused part political/part Ace hardware insult on a MB. It's been a long time since I've been to Jamestown, but my recollection is that is fits the definition of God's country. Hardworking people, good and decent as a general rule in an area without any major/moderately-sized city foot traffic, kinda pinched between Buffalo and Erie. When I think about how I approach people on the internet, I generally try and comport myself in a way that would not embarrass me if I did it walking down the street in Buffalo, or in your case, Jamestown. Would I personally seek out a person on the street wearing Biden gear, or stumping for Joe, and scream across the street "HEY LOOK AT ME YA LEFTIST WINGNUT!"? I would not. I know there are people who do, but it seems to me those people generally seem to have some underlying emotional issues, insecure about something in their life. I don't really pity them, because human psychology is such that while most folks have the ability to change, they lack the internal strength and discipline to do so. I do wonder sometimes where things jumped the rails for them. Anyways, progress is progress. I wish you and yours a good day.

Et tu, Muptus?

I will accept those results. I’m a centrist and at that point believe we should come together as a country.

For my money, that poster is the most broken guy on the board. Runs around spouting off about dictators and the end of democracy as DJT takes the legal route to addressing his concerns. He’s a nervous soul. On the other hand, let’s not forget that Fidel Castro overthrew Cuba by deftly outmaneuvering Fulgencio Batista in the Superior Court of the State of Pennsylvania, widely recognized and studied today as the Bay of Pitts(burg). Maybe he’s on to something.

Blind trust is the hallmark of simpletons and the easily duped. I’m a trust but verify guy.

I’m under no illusion I’m changing hearts and minds here. I believe I’ve been civil in my replies, I try to explain my thought process and have been attacked by several posters for my political views. That’s par for the course, and I certainly can handle it. That said I really don’t like passing up an opportunity to acknowledge when we have a meeting of the minds.

Prior to Gore Bush there was no hanging chad. I’m going to assume you would accept the results in this admittedly fanciful discussion. I’m assuming that’s the case because you previously acknowledged your willingness to accept the outcome if Trump prevails. That is honorable and you should be commended.

You sir, are wrong, and the attempt to vilify me is uncalled for. I’ve said multiple times what I think will happen, who will prevail and who will lose, and that pursuing legal remedy is the American way just like it was in Gore Bush. The tent pole of your response in opposition is that you’re worried. I’m no less worried, and that’s why legal remedy is such an important aspect of our republic. I am not at all about DJT winning at all costs, I never have been. While I’m concerned about a Biden ticket, green new deals, a move away from energy independence, defunding the police and elevating criminals to martyr status, I have long recognized that my fellow citizens may have no such concern. I’ve been prepared for this for 4 years, and am prepared to weather the coming storm. I have no interest in unity under the terms dictated, but that’s my right as an American. It’s not unlike the fact that my fellow citizens may well vote for a candidate intent on substantially increasing my tax burden while reducing theirs. I’m a patriot, I gladly pay my taxes but for those who pitch some perverted of the ever increasing fair share, that isn’t unity, that’s a shakedown. One of the challenges in Washington is the level of influence peddling and nepotism present. Again, in normal times, I think pretty much everyone knows this. Suddenly however, we’ve got the cleanest government in fathers history of fa-Evah. My thought is that if you went down the list of senators involved in the hearing, a minimum of 80% have undertaken similar projects for friends and family and run the risk of mutually assured destruction should one or the other is targeted. See, I’m a realist. I don’t think Biden did anything that we haven’t done throughout the history of the country. I’d think McConnell, Graham, Romney, Feinstein and the rest run similar deals. I think Presidents do this sort of thing all the time, we shape nations in the image we want and $$$$ is the key. I think the difference was Trump. He’s not been in Washington for 15, 20, 40 years and has no skin in that game. So, a second political witch-hunt that goes nowhere is launched, believers in fairy tales and the innate goodness of politicians like yourself look at something like this and say “Well, what Trump did was wrong because nothing happened to Biden”. I only judged what I saw inconjuction with the impeachment that was undertaken that went nowhere. Meanwhile, more independent leaning folks hear about phony charges and impeachment, serial rapists and Russian treason. I’ll ask differently. With what you saw Biden doing, in conjunction with his sons interests in the country, troubling on any level to you? In conjunction with that question, given the Senate’s decision to disregard the impeachment vote as a political ploy, was the impeachment debacle good for unit and harmony? Btw, was Obama’s decision to incinerate the personal wealth of GM Bondholders an act of Presidential decorum or the act of someone with dictatorial aspirations? I’m well aware you may not be an Obama supporter, but wondering your thoughts.

And you may be right, but you’re claiming something is decided that isn’t decided, and suggesting people want to overturn a legitimate and uncontested election when we both know that not to be true. I’m just taking the let’s pretend game out. If Trump prevails and picks up EC votes in large enough numbers to win re-election, you will accept it, yes? If the matter ends up at the SC and Trump prevails, you will accept it, yes? We can assume you will if it’s a 9-0 victory, as would I, but let’s assume it’s a party line vote. I will accept that the will of the people should it play out in either of the above scenarios.

Well if it’s just about your feelings, acknowledged, but we’re wasting time here. If the will of the people is made clear to everyone, Biden will be president. Then, unfortunately, the opposition party sets about destroying him and his family. It’s the game and we have to give him credit, he has played it well. I’m not suggesting that the people in government “screw up”, I’m pointing to evidence of corruption, of people in power doing the things powerful people do, and one of the most glaring reasons I personally reject your Easter Bunny vision of our process. I can’t believe I forgot a couple other biggies. Obama rat-&$#@ing bond holders of GM, creating a presidential class of winners and losers and destroying the lives of folks who propped up the company while enriching others. The Congress impeaching a President for attempting to shakedown the Ukrainian government in hearsay evidence and what someone says they think they heard from a friend of a friend. The Congress validating a VP shaking down a foreign ally and bragging about it to the assembled masses, on tape. Many of us on the other side of this debate feel exactly the same as you do about dynasties and power hungry f$#@sticks and people who want to tell the world who might be black and who is not. Your feelings are no more valid than ours. Again, the day before the election, modern dem leadership was shrieking about not conceding the election if it went south. I’m happy to acknowledge the election was crystal clean and no meanies were involved if that proves to be the case. Until then, let’s see what happens. There’s no one screaming because a legit election took place. No one. If Trump prevails at the SC, will you concede the battle was worth it?

I enjoy reading your thoughts, you’re rational and dialed in for a geezer. I suggest we allow the candidate to pursue legal options where they see evidence of fraud or problems with votes counted. I’m not advocating for upsetting any apple cart, I’m actually advocating for ensuring the apple cart is roadworthy, tuned up and that apples were dropped or thrown off the cart along certain stretches of road, we pick em up and/or take them back from the people who grabbed em. I remain uncertain as to what exactly upsets you about the process DJT is following. Are you suggesting what he’s doing is illegal? Unconstitutional? Should this issue make it to the Supreme Court—are you concerned the justices will overturn a lawfully decided election? In you prior post, you used the term logic to describe the/a process a state might follow with mail in votes. I’ve worked with and around the state of NY for 36 years, and logical is a term I’d rarely use with regard to the mechanisms in our particular state. Off the top of my head: A friend in the waste management business contracted with the state to do a large hazmat cleanup near the Mohawk River on an emergency basis. The agreed upon fee was $450k +/-. When the work was completed, the logical folks at the state dodged and delayed payment by approximately 13 months, forcing this small family owned company to the brink of financial ruin. An employee had withholding issues for childcare. I was required to withhold and submit monies he claimed were not due because the state was always about 90 days behind the curve on processing his contribution (I believed him, but that irrelevant). I withheld as ordered under threat of substantial penalty, received a letter 90 days later threatening me further with civil penalty. When I inquired and provided proof of payment, I was told payment was credited to his personal account because I had not used a business check with a name like “McDonalds or Burger King”. During the early days of the pandemic, the Governor orders that landlords across the state discontinue attempts to collect rent and or evictions. He says “as for the landlords, trust us, we’ll take care of you down the road”. Still waiting, though property and school tax are due to the king, I’m sorry, government under threat of civil penalty and worse. The former governor of the State of NY was run out of office when it was discovered he was engaging in solicitation of prostitution, and perhaps wire fraud and interstate trafficking. No criminal action was filed. Two extraordinarily powerful state senators-Joe Bruno and Sheldon Silver, both ousted from office in shame over corruption and influence peddling. Andrew Cuomo’s right hand man was arrested on similar charges. A former head of the states crown jewel, SUNY Poly, used his influence and position of authority in a bid-rigging scheme. The former AG of the state, a kick ass law and order type, well he gets booted because it turns out he had a major cocaine problem and liked to bash his women around as foreplay. On a local radio show, the capital beat reporter from the local paper says that the cocaine issue was well-known for quite a while. That leaves me wondering why the local newspaper, an institution for truth and justice chose not to run a story about the law and order guy purchasing and consuming illegal drugs. A friend of mine owns a business in a nearby city, buys a building with the intent to restore it and improve the neighborhood. Local building inspector comes by, tells him he doesn’t like the brand new, in the plans submitted to the city sheetrock job in the main office and says it needs to be removed and replaced. Cost will be around $5k. Inspector continues, though by the way, I know your business is _______ , and I have an issue that maybe you can help with. What if I came by Saturday and you helped me out and we leave the office as it is?”. It is a well-known and established fact that NYS is awash in corruption and graft. It’s not a D or R thing exclusively, but it surely is a D thing. I have a friend who is the former head of a very large state agency , is politically connected and has spoken at length with me about these issues. Logic has nothing to do with it. People are people, corruption is a thing, and I believe 100% that you absolutely, positively with certainty cannot trust that people did the right thing. .

Perhaps it’s semantics, but unless I’m misreading you, you’re advocating for ‘trust the state’ . If a candidate doesn’t trust the state, and your suggestion is to forgo aggressive action in search of the truth, it boils down to acquiesce and submit in my opinion. You are absolutely correct—those were my words describing what I see as your position, not yours. I stand by the characterization, but apologies if you felt I was quoting you verbatim.

Two schools of thought with two people with relevant experience in analyzing data. One suggests “see it through”, the other “acquiesce and submit”. Interesting.

Good stuff, thanks for sharing. I think the challenge can be that while there are certainly well-intentioned and intelligent posters here, some could not find their belly button using a mirror. Most have taken the position that pursuing legal remedy is an affront to American tradition, even when you acknowledge they might be correctly predicting the outcome down the road? Where do you go with that?

Your mancrush Obama created an international incident by boldly expelling nearly 3 dozen Russian diplomats 22 days before he left office, during the Presidential transition last election cycle. Michael Flynn was targeted by the Obama admin’s DOJ for acts Joe Biden is undertaking as we speak—negotiating and conspiring with foreign leaders to get back to the good old days. The Obama DOJ was manipulating data and passing false intel to an incoming president in an attempt to disrupt his administration. DJT is pursuing litigation in search of a remedy. Biden has been a Washington fixture for 50 years, he’s a former VP and knows full well which interns are vulnerable for hair sniffing and groping. People in positions of power have a knack for figuring that stuff out. He’ll be working with Margaret Thatcher in no time—they’re good friends, he says. He’ll be fine when the time comes. We simply have to wait for the results of the investigations, or until DJT is convinced the election was handled fairly, or fairly enough to satisfy him. You and many others have suggested the evidence will be clear and convincing, or rather there will be a lack of evidence to the contrary, so I’m not sure what you think I’m conflating. Though, it would be interesting to see what might shake out if DJT expelled Chinese diplomats on 12/29. That would be an interesting gambit. Let’s put a pin in that one. In the meantime, patience boyo. You’ll be fine either way, and we’ll see what shakes out.