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And Dominion may be the best voting system ever invented, with 0.00 errors per million or a rate 100% greater than the closest competitor. If your analysis proves correct, then there is no harm in looking into it further. This isn’t a trick question— would you think including analysis of recent D presidential front runner Elizabeth Warren’s concerns about the system and the potential impact on—her words— the integrity of our elections, is a vital part of the story all Americans are entitled to hear during a discussion on election integrity? My liberal buddy on the West Coast fumbled a bit with this question— he ultimately told me he trusts the media (in his case, NBC Nightly News and the like) to weed out what citizens don’t need to hear.

At this point, I reject your characterization and allegations of coercion. Are your implying he has broken some law, and if so, can you provide a link? Jumping ahead, if it was DJT is doing is determined to be illegal, I would not be fine with that. Stepping back from that ledge for a minute, you’re a poster I avoided like the plague over the last year or two. It doesn’t really matter why, and I’m quite certain it didn’t matter to you one way or the other. Based on what I typed above, what’s unreasonable about my position? Not the part where I choose to see it through and you disagree, I’ll acknowledge you find that unreasonable.

Ah Shoshy, spoken like a true zealot. Stick to the subject, you’re wandering around like Joe Biden at a potter class. I’m fully and completely prepared to move on if your boy prevails. I just responded to another poster and remarked how angsty and emotional this all is for some, and how I was waiting for even a rudimentary legal argument that DJT has no lawful right to contest the election. I’m. Still. Waiting. While you dig that out, should the media address Trump’s concerns about Dominion and report on Warren’s concerns as well? I see no issues but several stories that could unfold: 1. They both were correct and dominion poses a threat to free and fair elections; 2. They both were wrong and we can rest assured that Dominion is awesome because xyz; 3. Warren was right, but Dominion took steps xyz to upgrade security and software; What day you? By ignoring the Warren story, is the press being honest and open?

Yet another mischaracterization, and sir, they are piling up. I never suggested that you were unhinged for your belief that Biden won the election fairly. I understand why you feel that way, perhaps if I was a Biden Boy I’d feel the same. I haven’t even gone so far as to suggest that there is proof of wrongdoing and that the outcome of the election was the result of widespread fraud. What I have said consistently from the beginning: 1. I believed Biden could win the election; 2. Upon conclusion of the election, I supported the current President’s right to pursue legal challenges vis a vis Gore v Bush; 3. That regardless of the outcome of the legal challenges, democracy and liberty are not being torn from this country before our very eyes (tearful though some may be); 4. I don’t understand what some of “you” are afraid of when you’re rock solid in your belief that nothing will change the outcome as you see it; 5. That I believe it’s highly likely that Biden will be the president come 1/21 for a variety of reasons; In response, I have received a whole buncha replies about feelings, fears, revisionist history and wiki quotes. I’ve had insults lobbed at me, been told I should be less condescending in response to a post that was crude and nonsensical, and most recently received a reply from a poster (you) referring to me as unpatriotic, a cultist, and of having blind devotion to DJT. What I have not received is any reply details illegal acts or behavior in DJTs lawful challenges. Why? Because the collective argument you have made all boil down to “it hurts my feelings”. F$&@ your feelings. There are lots of things I could say to you, in kind replies, but I chose to go with “unhinged” as we can disagree without being disagreeable. You’re being disagreeable. Point worth noting: W9 = no Mueller report x 4.

Ja, you’ve been entirely reasonable here. Your point on Sens Warren and Klobuchaer expressing the same types of concern within the past couple years would normally be enough to make people pause, but that’s not the environment we live in. Now, the mere fact that you bring it to the attention of people who would have voted for either one of those senators yields insults on a message board. The reality is, stepping away from the fact that this isn’t a CNN or MSNBC story for those into that sort of thing, an honest and impartial news organization should, when reporting on the concerns raised by DJT about dominion and the like include reports on the complaint raised by Warren and Klobuchaer. So, by pretending the concerns were never raised and failing to include that in the coverage, consumers of MSM “news” do not receive accurate information. I’m not suggesting they quote or give time to this particular guy, but when reporting on DJTs legal team, impartial news orgs would run the whole story. I would humbly suggest you follow Sidney Powell. She’s made specific comments and named key individuals that she claims are guilty of wrongdoing. She’ll have it, or not, and she’s at the right hand of DJT.

It seems to me that you are becoming increasingly agitated and slightly unhinged. You’ve made wild allegations about mysterious “cults”, odd characterizations about “pledging loyalty” apparently in some internet blood oath, you’ve offered in support of your position a passage from Wikipedia where any bugger-flicking middle schooler with an internet connection can add to the ‘facts’, chose to die on the hill of a government lifer roundly excoriated by both sides of the aisle for authoring a report that cost $31m and went nowhere fast, and trotted out strategically meaningless words like “leveraged”. If you can post the relevant parts of the 448 page report by Robert Mueller to support your wild-assed but gratuitously verbose claims, I would appreciate it. Just post the part that resulted in Donald J. Trump, the 45th President of The United States of America (according to your go-to The Wiki) being lead from office in cuffs, provided the undisputed smoking gun evidence of wrong-doing by DJT, resulted in him being removed from office immediately upon release of the report or anything else from the report you feel supports your claim. I would appreciate it if you stopped to consider the highly charged and hyper-partisan bent to the investigation, the unnecessary recusal that lead us to the point when Mueller crumbled and bumbled his way through the testimony, and the information that has been revealed about the Mueller’s investigation itself in the time since he returned to the Shady Acres Retirement Home. i would also appreciate it if you tried to steer clear of characterizations, insults and what seems to be a contrived attempt to rage like a high school cheerleader that just broke up with her bf. I understand your pain, your undying devotion to truth and Wikipedia and your assertion that in politics, R=R=R always (duh), but can you just go to the gosh-durn report? Regards.

441 more words, most from ”the wiki”. We’re up to 1262 separated entries you took the time to research, copy and paste and still refuse to pull the details of das Mueller report forward. What’s so hard about this? I’m not a military veteran, have a tremendous amount of respect for those that serve, but simply do not pledge undying respect and devotion to an individual because of that service. This is where I’d ask you about General Michael Flynn, post from the wiki, ask you to acknowledge his exemplary military status and the malicious prosecution that you likely applauded. Why bother? Let’s move on. This dialogue is going nowhere fast.

821 words, a meandering journey of accusations, innuendo, hypotheses and the state of American patriotism 2020. Why not just point to the parts in Herr Mueller’s treatise on Russian Collusion where he identifies specific acts of collusion and brings the hammer down? I appreciate the refresher on Article 1, but you don’t have to convince me—Herr Mueller surely laid it all out. Personally, I don’t recall it playing out that way—I remember the q & a of a timid old man who seemed lost at times, confused at others, and thoroughly befuddled by some basic questions that should have been anticipated and worked through in debate prep. As for smearing Harris, I simply pointed out the facts. She was chief interrogator of a man with decades of dedicated service to the America people (and to be fair, Harris herself has a reputation for service as well). I never suggested Ford recanted her story, she’s an activist who made allegations absent specificity beyond Kavanaugh...someplace...sometime. She was rewarded handsomely for her role in the scheme. Again, I’ll stipulate that you are correct in that the allegations leveled without any credible evidence were never disproven. Thank God our justice system does not require an accused person to prove something that never happened didn’t happen. For what it’s worth, I think an individual who would disqualify a highly capable person an opportunity to serve at a higher level based on the unsubstantiated, unverfiable musings of an unstable partisan is unsuitable to offer opinions regarding the patriotism of others. I do think a person so inclined would serve quite well on a tribunal in virtually every socialist country in the world.

-please provide the evidence of Russian collusion, pulled from das Mueller report. I’ll review and respond. -please provide evidence of obstruction of the crime of collusion, from das Mueller report. I’ll review and respond. -please provide supporting documentation of a gutless and spineless GOP, including rules of the senate that were violated by the GOP. Be specific so we can avoid wasting any time on discussions of the partisan nature of the congressional impeachment hearings. -please provide evidence of the aecond impeachable offense you’re referenced, and provide the documentation that supports your claim. -VP Harris was Chief interrogator on Ballsy’s unsubstantiated and unverified claim of violent sexual assault by BL. Additional salacious claims prosecuted and disseminated included accusations that BK participated in rape trains. That’s your girl there, and her reward for the destruction of a non-combatant with an impeccable record of service was VP. The rest of your post certainly tugs at my heart strings but I reject it outright as over-emotional gibberish.

Seriously--I read it. I absorbed it. I understood it. On some level, I want it to happen. I really do believe you personally hope for the best. We would likely agree on 80% of topics discussed and disagree respectfully on the other 20%. It cannot happen. Perhaps is there was a different nominee, someone looking to heal the nation, or not knee deep in attempting to steal my vote last time. The party in power, in this case, dems, can extend the olive branch all they want, but it's natural and predictable that the party out of power says "Oh, now you want to play nice? GTFOH.". We might as well get to it. If I am wrong, and we find some common ground, I'll be the first to acknowledge it. For now, I have no interest in it.

As is your right. That changes nothing.

Exactly. Respond in kind to the narrative you supported the last 4 years. I’ve said it previously, Trump as a counter puncher critiquing Biden as he pursues a global agenda at the expense of our citizens might well be the best thing that has happened to this country in decades. We’ve seen some tremendous movement toward diversity, with luck that continues. That wil not look anything at all like what @shoshin advocates. We agree.

It wasn’t an insult, it was an observation. Apologies if you felt I was targeting you unfairly. I understand the concept you’re speaking of, and your hope for something better. At this point, it’s a pipe dream and unrealistic. Your desire for “better”, while noble, requires I set aside what I already know to be true and forgive and forget. That means I ratify the following as the norm for the electorate: -You don’t like a nominee, accuse him of being lead engineer on a rape train. Why? It gets you the VP spot. -You don’t like a president, accuse his supporters of racism, hatred, misogyny, and low intellectual capacity. Why? It works. Tens of millions believe it. -You don’t like a president? Appeal to the natural inclination of folks as it relates to boogeymen and paint him Red. Why? It works, it worked for a while for McCarthy and clearly worked 2016-2020. This isn’t even about Biden and the reality that we’re a few months out from dependence on foreign oil and the vast implications that has for our personal situation (and national security). I can understand the emotional appeal that guilt has for folks naturally inclined to feel guilty for having nice things, but this is something different. Better in your world means much, much worse in mine. Pass.

My God you people are such a morose bunch. President = Russian Agent. Democracy at its finest. President = Impeachment gambit, Democracy at its finest. SC Nominee = Serial Rapist as alleged by presumed VP elect. Democracy at its finest, President lawfully challenges election = OMG how could this happen !! “Come on ladies, no crying in the breast milk!” -Patches O’Houlihan (RIP)

Settle down Pippy Longstocking. You exposed yourself as a limited thinker a long time ago, and you’re not helping your case here. Pardons, last minute legislation and judicial appointments in the waning days of an admin are common, which makes the furor over SC Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s appointment all the more humorous. Chuck Schumer was just complaining about the ongoing judicial appointments by Mitch McConnell as November/December roll on in partisan political fashion. I’ll ask you directly so as not to confuse you—the decision to push forward with ACB and other judicial appointments was correct especially in light of a looming Biden victory, yes? If I had an issue with that, I’d have included that so take a deep breath. I’m not trying to trick you here. If you see the expulsions of Russian diplomats as an admin clears out, or the demonization of a presidential candidate as an agent of the KGB as late night tomfoolery, I really do understand your vote for Joe. God bless you, Pippy.

Considered. Rejected as argumentative. Why are we spending time on “My dog is cooler than your dog!”? Lame duck shenanigans? I say to you what I said to my friend. Politically speaking, “Get the &$#@ outta here!”. I support it across the board. You’ll be fine.

Fair question. My liberal friend on the West Coast, was lamenting the lack of civility just the other day (after attempting to deflect on the over the 4 years of hostility towards DJT with the patented “I don’t want to talk about that!) and remarked how Obams had DJT to the WH for a meet and greet. I asked about the sudden expulsion of Russian diplomats on 12/29/2015, 7 weeks after the election and a mere 23 days before DJT was inaugurated. He didn’t know so much about that, and didn’t have much to offer. I see it as pretty simple, it was an action designed to cause chaos and international strife as the new President was settling in. I asked about the head of Obama’s FBI team attempting to destroy incoming National Security Adviser Michael Flynn in January 2017. Again, my perspective is that Obama’s FBI was looking to create process crimes designed to create chaos and confusion for the incoming administration. I asked about the CIA Director Brennan briefing to Obama and his team where he advised that the Clinton campaign was closely tied to the story attempting to paint Trump as a Russian agent. https://news.yahoo.com/dni-releases-cia-documents-hillary-204337457.html He wasn’t so sure on all those, but most def saw the photo op with Obama and Trump and drank deeply from the well. To me, the peaceful transition of power does not include these sorts of things. In fact, I see it much more in line with Michael Corleone appearing to have a peaceful conversation with his rival before going to the bathroom and grabbing the gun hidden behind the toilet. Biden should be kept in the outside fir as long as possible, and if it comes to pass, with luck DJT has an December surprise or two for him as well.

i also see dead people. does that make me weird(er)?

😂 I have no such pedigree—The closest we got to ND was watching the college games on the television because my Dad was a huge Irish fan for all the usual reasons. Oh, and in Boston one night last year, my wife (Mrs Skin-erd if you will) and I ducked into a bar in Boston. Busy as hell, this group of ND alumni were watching a/the game and offered us seats at the table. Had a blast and if you and Mr Mup were in the crowd, cheers!! As for part one—yup, I agree. If the allegations are true, we’re in deep. Btw, one other thing—i am struggling as to why a couple wealthy players on the team— Sidney Powell and Lin Wood, would wade so deep into serious accusations if they had absolutely nothing to go on. Both are quite wealthy, well-regraded and they aren’t shooting spitballs, they’re lobbing grenades at this issue with Dominion. Again, just chatting here, given the concerns expressed by Elizabeth “Dances with Beers” Warren about major challenges with the program, I’m intrigued.

I appreciate the effort put forth and have very few issues with what you post. I do not accept everything you say as factual, and feel like I do not need to. The other day, you quoted from Vox, and referenced a book that was titled something like "Trump is the most horrible human being ever". I started to reply and thought, geesh, what's the point? A guy wrote a book, you believe it's an accurate representation of the world and that's fine. I really enjoyed the novel "It" back in college, but I don't think there are clowns in the sewer. Your argument is irrefutable--human error occurs when human's are involved. Your second statement--"for the most part these are caught and corrected...." is conjecture. Pure conjecture, as in, just because you say it doesn't mean it is so. Bernie Madhoff did amazing things as an investment guru for many, many people, until he didn't. I'm skeptical by nature, and cynical as well. I'll share some general thoughts about people and systems: I believe that systems can be hacked, and that algorithms can be manipulated to effect a desired outcome. Since I believe that generally, when an allegation is made that malfeasance occurred, I consider the source and continue on; I believe in the innate goodness of many people, and the corruption of people in power. You and yours sit here, day after day, year after year, howling about DJT, believing incredible stories of hookers and urine (pee pee), screaming about corruption and then suggest "NOTHING TO SEE HERE--Trust me!". I don't care--seriosuly--don't care what you think, and I certainly do not trust those in power anymore than your trust Trump; I believe that people will, if possible, attempt to influence the election through just about every form of illegal activity known to man. Software. Pipe breaks. Mail fraud. Dead people voting. Keeping poll watchers at bay. Intimidation. Harrassment. Murder. It's simply the human condition. The interesting part to me is that you believe it too, you just target the other guy. And, to be fair to you--I really don't know if you're the one true angel left in the world who believes that the election system is beyond reproach, but id you are God bless you. Here's where I'm at: Thousands of ballots have been recovered in Georgia, previously uncounted, potentially disenfranchised voters. We can write it off to incompetence, or wonder if there is something else afoot, and I'm not ready to write it off as pure incompetence; I've read reports of severe and substantial issues with Dominion software, including a very concerning letter written by Sens Warren and Klobuchaer in early 2019. The sum and substance is--this thing sucks, its easy to manipulate and the integrity of our election is at stake. The oft-cited report of vote tallies being shut down with Trump far ahead, a sudden spike in votes for Biden...troubles me. There may be a perfectly legitimate reason for the spike--and yes, I've read stories purporting to debunk the idea of fraud, but I'm not yet convinced. Since I'm not convinced, I say fight on; The story out Wayne County, Michigan involving the certification process troubles me. It seems to me that intimidation and coercion played a large part in decisions made there, and it validates my thought that while lots of people are good, many are not. I'm interested in the outcome of the Wisconsin recount. The entire system for counting votes in Pennsylvania seems odd to me. The allegations made today are that there were violations of election law, and unequal protection under the law as it related to city v rural areas. When all is said and done, I've been clear that I think Joe Biden will be president of the country on 1/20. I'll likely arrive at that point convinced there was substantial chicanery (funny business) that aided him along the way. Still, I see absolutely nothing wrong with DJT pursuing litigation and telling the story they feel needs to be told along the way. Thanks for the clarification, too, btw, but I know what the word 'posit' means. I went to Catholic school, received an excellent education(schoolin) and read, you know, books 'n such. Peace out.

So, I'll just mark you down as not having the link to Tibsy's post, either?

Division works. In an us v them world, you simply have to choose us. In fact, even if you're them, you would choose us.

I always feel I owe it to myself to at least try and participate in the dialogue. Here's the way I see this most recent dialogue: Tibs: "It's blue, and it's always been blue. How can you possibly defend that?" LS: "I don't know what you mean, can you explain?" WC: "What's your problem? He couldn't be clearer--he said 'blue'. Everyone knows 'blue'!" Everyone laments the other guy's echo chamber, but does their level best to create their own.

Clarity is subjective, and I feel the question was quite leading and devoid of facts or substantiation. I’m always happy to provide a reply but need for intel. Send a link if you have one. Thank you.

What are you asking me. Use your words.