leh-nerd skin-erd

Let's get to it. Fair enough, though my point wasn't necessarily about whether you could/should share your feelings (it's not pre-1920 for God's sake, for better or worse) about abortion--nor actually about how you personally feel in this regard, more the garden variety "What's the point?" in all of this. Thanks for the clarity on your thought process--that helps frame things for me. You're a far-right zealot compared to me! We agree on the extenuating circumstances so we're going to mark this a Leh-nerd/CKA win. Well, we had a minute of togetherness on Kay's Franklin Planner Daily Remembrance bullet point 1. It was fun while it lasted. Leh-nerd's Public Policy Stance on Life: Once we get past 12 weeks, we are moving (gradually, at first then with lighting speed) from some variation of reasonable for all the reasons you cited to full out Mengele-esque barbarism. I'll acknowledge the arbitrary nature of that line, I'll acknowledge that I may not have felt that way when I was a younger man and faced with significant, life-altering decisions, and acknowledge there is a line of hypocrisy there I may not be capable of seeing. I can live with all that and file it under W for Wisdom in my emotional file cabinet. Exemptions apply, you did a wonderful job of bringing those into the discussion 30 seconds ago, back when I thought you were the total chick package in spite of your abject leftyism. You make a persuasive argument about the women represented in this argument, but I assure you I have considered all that in my analysis. I am blessed to have wonderful women in my life--strong, smart, tough...including my own daughter. I think, at some point, personal accountability has to factor into the equation, exemptions duly noted. As for criminality, I agree on that issue, and I don't sit in judgement of those who choose to have an abortion. I have my thoughts, I make 'em known if someone cares, and other than that, onward. I'm no saint, I'm no angel, but I try. People are hypocrites, we're back to agreeing. I don't see that solely as a right wing issue. And, obviously, so? Seriously Kay, *&^ 'other countries'. That argument holds no water with me. I simply don't care. I don't hate, I don't look down on the Fwench, but seriously...why would I give a damn about what some beret-wearing baguette munching dope at a street-side cafe outside the Louvre thinks about life? There seems to be two cottage industries that thrive in these mysteriously enlightened oasis's of nothing but the pure: Running call centers to tell us how sh&tty we are as a people; Running call centers to shill for aid from the American taxpayer; As for social programs, I don't know many (any) right wingers who object to the concept of the social safety net, or suggest that momma pull herself up by the vegan bootstraps and hit the coal mines 18 hours after live birthin' twins. The challenge is the social safety net cannot be as big as the American southwest, burdening without constraint the good citizens working hard to improve their station in life. With regard to the sanctity of life issue, you can mock, but there are most definitely folks who live it and believe it. They just might not be there at your average Gender Inequality Obesity-is-a-dirty-word Rally for The Enlightened in midtown-Manhattan. And to be clear, I'm not one of them, I'm a mixed up bag of conservatism and libertarian and social liberalism trying to make his way through life doing the best he can. Or, as you might say, I'm a boomer. You went full on @ComradeMKnightShyamalan here, and all I can say without digging further into some of the darkness is that everything is rooted in something. All true. It changes nothing for me. Gross. We agree. This should change. There is a potential for egregious financial vigilantism in virtually everything we do in this country. Abortion is big business, it transcends the obvious emotional issues a birth person might be up against, and I'm not sure why suddenly we need to get all hot and bothered about the ramifications here. Respectfully, this was my original point. You seem to think those in opposition to your perspective should negotiate, submit or acquiesce to stay politically relevant. Truth---if the goal to win elections requires me to come to shrug my shoulders at 24x7 AbortionsRUs supercenters on every corner, some catering to QwikN'EZ 3rd Trimester Brain Suctioning, I'd just as soon pass on the win and let all y'all mahfahs carry that torch. One thing to me is perfectly clear--just because a people support something today does not make it stand the test of time historically. I'm ok with being labelled a fundamentalist nut job for my beliefs. ❤️ all/respect all does not require me to suspend what I believe. I can live with it, Kay. We agree on some things, others not so much. You're a good poster Kay--I mean that. I try to listen, try and learn, but some things I'm just not interested in moving my line on. Peace out, ya Jerry Garcia loving granola munchin' hippie.

While we’re not on the same page with respect to damning conspiracy connections to GOP leaders, or the existence of cult phenomena generally, I think people associated with crimes on 1/6 shoulder be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I also think the shooting of Ashley Babbit was justified—whatever that means in 2021. What surprises me is how the usual suspects on police shootings who agonize over why police don’t shoot people in the foot didn’t wonder that here. What also bothers me is we seem to have a special set of due process rules here. Your characterization that McCarthy “threatened” companies is silly. He suggested that the request from dem politicians are asking them to violate federal law in another political circus in a long line of political circuses. At worst, political theater. At best, a demand for following the law that protects us all from political overreach. One would assume the appropriate law enforcement agencies would be able to gather any and all evidence necessary following standard investigative techniques, determine criminal activity if any existed, and work with prosecutors to pursue justice. If that leads to Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, Matt Gaetz or Kevin McCarthy so be it. It’s damning to me so far that it hasn’t, actually.

Back in high school me and my boys had some trouble with a gang of rockers too. The whole thing started at a local dance contest. I was with my steady, Sandy, when suddenly one of the rocker’s skirts jumped in during our routine and as you probably guessed, we ended up winning. It almost came to blows but the chaperones and Coach Calhoun were hanging around and we scrammed. We finally settled it as men in my day did, we raced for papers out at Thunder Road in cars that we worked on in shop class, but that looked deceptively like they professionally restored. I miss that car man, the thing was a real p**** wagon.

If you’re making fun of me @SHERD LOCK UP DA HOUS DA BABY FUSS-N

You would make an awesome despot.

I'm torn between thinking when someone says "ITS ALOT COME BEHIND LILBABY" nothing else really needs to be said, and recognizing I have no earthly idea what that would mean unless someone explained it. In fact, I'm still not sure what the threat part is.

You’re right of course. If the collective, say, were to choose to allow abortion on demand up to, say, an hour or two after birth, the ball would roll down hill, crushing anyone (male or female) in its path who opposed it. In some ways, we’re already there. I think the other side of the argument is that simply because the collective wants to see that sort of option does not mean you submit and acquiesce. On the religious front, it violates deeply held beliefs that transcend the earthly realm. On the moral plane, some believe that at some point before the baby comes out the belly button that a separate life is created and should be protected. Why, if one felt this way, would they ever submit simply because some mean folks got mean(er)? And on the threat of court packing, geesh, ComradeMeanie, to many conservatives, it’s a forgone conclusion that dem and left leaning folks are already planning that. Same with disarming the American people. Same with perpetually open borders. Same with CRT. Same. Same. Same. It’s no different than your argument that “Texas law = crush abortion business”, is it? I’m usually certain that people are less concerned about where we are and much more concerned with what comes next. You’re apparently pro-abortion when a woman decides it’s the right choice. Some here are pro-life with no exemptions. A whole bunch of many are probably stuck somewhere at a dusty Day’s Inn on a moderately fertile archipelago, trying to figure not so much where life begins, but more where common sense ends and medieval spine crushing begins. What’s really (and in my head I’m thinking it sounds like reeeeeeeeeealy)to talk about?

Why is it strange? It seems perfectly logical to me—life is complicated and people complex. I’m not pro-choice, but I am pro-reasonable. I think the suite of abortive offerings of Virginia and NY are barbaric. I think abortion up to 3 months is pretty awful generally but I can understand why it makes sense to some people. I’m a male, I think I have a right to an opinion, and recognize that if I was talking to the young Lenny he would think differently, though not markedly so. I think some medical professionals offer abortions because there is good money in it, some because they believe in choice and there is good money in it, and some likely would donate their services to needy people. What I’ve always thought sorta strange is that given the pro-choice standards employed by liberal minded folks, why they would think the sperm provider has any obligation to the woman carrying the child.

And murder hornets, let’s not forget about the GOP and murder hornets.

Jeez Irv good luck!

That looks like epoxy with vinyl letters/logo. That’s commitment!!

Sometimes I feel sorta silly sitting in my sunroom in the Viking horns wearing the faux Buffalo pelt I got at Target, but other days I really feel like I make a difference, ya know?

And what an outcome for this man that would be!!

He sounds increasingly punch drunk.

STOP YAPPIN YA OLD STONER, PLAY SOME SKYNYRD!

Doubt.

And I heard you were a grabber of boobies without permission!!

Are you really a Governor?

Oh, you’re talking about a Tibsdemeanor. I had forgotten about those. You should issue an appearance ticket for Unicorn Court, and a fine, if forthcoming should be payable in Red and Orange Jellybeans.

Now you’re back to it again and I’m not sure why. Either we have a crime or we don’t. Emotional crimes are only crimes in your head. The rest is us just chopping it up.

How is an expression of concern an insult? If anything I’m babying you and being overly empathetic. I’m like a helicopter poster. There are no sides on this issue unless you want to find them. You’re unhappy. I’m unhappy. Everyone is unhappy, and when everyone is unhappy, maybe we simply need to recognize that unhappy is the new happy. If you end up finding the actual crime you first referenced hmu. I’m anti-crime and pro-law enforcement consistently, not conveniently.

I fear you fell, hit your head and don’t remember. You mentioned crime, then institutional crime, then Democracy and Putin. It’s good to see though even in your current state you dropped the crime nonsense.

I was careful to point out that it should be done in the nicest way one feels comfortable. I have friends and family that would follow the “go f yourself” model. I’m not generally in that category, but the point is the same. Tough when kids are involved though, to be sure.

Or, just tell the Nosey *****nutz to mind their business.

The appropriate response to people like that is to tell them to &$&@ off in as nice a way as you see fit.