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The problem is when you dig a bit deeper than what the conventional wisdom suggests that “everyone knows this!”, it exposes one to the reality that they may have been manipulated or duped. It’s tough to admit that. In this case, “everyone knows” the Russians wanted Trump and Trump worked with them, and people think they came to that conclusion on their own. Meanwhile, Clinton/DNC conspires with a foreign agent to spread information that directly impacts the election and it doesn’t bother them in the least. IMO, hard-hitting factual political journalism probably never truly existed. There’s likely alway been an element of tilting the scale one way or the other, and that’s before we even deal with the reality that the free press is actually a corporate press often answering to shareholders, managers, owners and advertisers looking to shade things a certain way. One thing is certain—if you went back to 2016 and said “Looking forward, in the next 7 years, the govt will spy on citizens, unmask citizens, violate FISA protocol, send heavily armed officers to raid the homes of political rivals, spend 4 years messing around with a preposterous story about Russians, and have supporters believe tales of slippage when speaking about their leaders are illegally secreting away classified/top secret documents that they literally just declared was a threat to national security”….the tolerant and forward thinking left would have declared Trump would be behind it all. It’s not so much a slow slide to these folks losing sense of ethical and moral guidelines moving toward authoritarian rule as it is they dropped them completely off a cliff.

Footage of Chuck Schumer finding out Schiff was removed from committee...

In the calm light of day, the Steele dossier was pure propaganda, an elaborate tale with roots directly to the DNC and Clinton. Those is dem leadership, the IC, and media members with sources deep within knew this. Mueller would have known this early on. It was allowed to hang around because people who thought “Trump sucked” wanted it to be true, like virtually everything else associated with the Russia story. It helped shape the overall narrative, as did comments like those from Adam Schiff and his role as chief propagandist of the party. As you said earlier, there aren’t really any penalties for lying on tv, and people can be incredibly gullible. We simply need to add it to the scrap heap of other such stories and recognize people believe such stories because they want it to be true. That’s why they work, the latest of which was “Trump had classified info first time evaaahhhh…” when all we really have to do is look in garages and storage boxes of former officials.

If you always do what you always did, you always get what you always got.

Real nice man, I click on the link knowing there has to be a naked woman chart and all I get is some Van Gogh Playboy mash up. You stink.

Nothing, nothing at all. There was no argument, I just wondered what your thoughts were on the video that was the premise for the thread. Have a great day Tibsy!

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I’m uncertain as to what You Tubes terms of service are, it’s weird that it would be taken down. There’s nothing all that crazy about it, a guy allegedly from Pfizer talking about virus and profit. Here’s a link to the video. https://www.projectveritas.com/news/pfizer-executive-mutate-covid-via-directed-evolution-for-company-to-continue/

It is the journey that makes us men.

What are your thoughts on the video? I’m old school, and it seems to me the story is important one way or the other. COVID changed the world overnight. If it’s a hoax video, let’s hear about that. If it’s legit let’s explore it. As of last night seemed the major media outlets were disinterested. Newsweek ran a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnng story and came to the conclusion it could not yet be verified.

Don’t overthink this stuff. The set up was funny, delivery quite good. The size of the photo enhanced everything. To be fair though, I found the first Austin Powers movie hysterical. As for fear of the mob, I’d probably go more with concern than fear. Lately, we watched those knuckle draggers in the Capital, anarchists torching cities assaulting/killing people, destruction of property and more. These are crazy times, but let’s not let kitty pictures and good old ball busting tear us asunder.

See, there you go, L’Ron. You were a bit suspicious, but the videos cleared it up. I wasn’t suspicious per se, but it was a strange fact pattern and questions naturally follow. On the other hand, we had lots of folks buying the notion of a James Bond type ex-MI6 and Russian hookers urinating on beds, two assailants tying shoe laces around Jussie Smollette’s neck and stealing his Taco Bell, and so so many more.

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Those are fair points on the ghoulish nature of the video, but that’s secondary to my point about this particular video: If the standard is to release, follow the standard and release. If the standard is to withhold, withhold. Making the $&@& up as they go would be grossly unfair to those who had their video(s) released, and gives the appearance that the pain of some folks is worth more than others. Btw, at the risk of sounding insensitive, I would bet comments made by Nancy Pelosi on issues involving release of body cameras in political motivated situations (namely involving police officers) would trend toward “release the tapes the people have a right to see them!” . Just a hunch.

Settle down Red. Seems you're angling for a fight when there's none to be found with me. The question about whether or not the video was withheld is fair to discuss, and it seems pretty simple to me. I said that upthread. If they generally withhold video for the reasons you offered above, it's easy enough to say that they were following procedure. That ends the conversation for me, and what happened to Paul Pelosi is still horrific. If they generally release video, but chose not to do so in this case (political patronage, special treatment for special people, whatever), it's fair to ask why public servants extend courtesy to this family and not others victimized in a similar fashion. In that case, what happened to Paul Pelosi is still horrific. Btw, I know many elderly people, and it seems reasonable that the same amount of respect for people across the board be extended. If it was, it was.

This doesn't change anything for me, other than to wonder why they withheld the footage if the normal course of action is to release. My first question is why Pelosi wouldn't signal he was in danger, or attempt to run, pull away etc. On the other hand, he's an old timer and it looked like the assailant had a pretty good grip on this wrist. He called the cops, one way or the other, so there is that. Assuming the guy broke in, who the frig knows what thoughts the victim has in the moment? We just heard about a young lady in Idaho traumatized to the point that she locked herself in her room for several hours after some really unusual circumstances in the apartment she lived in. The attack itself is gruesome, and any way you slice it, Pelosi is the victim here.

Who--the media? NBC? Jesse Kelly? Everyone? I view this as pretty simple. If the body camera footage is normally released in a timely manner on this sort of thing, it should be released. That it was not would be cause for concern. If body camera footage is not normally released, the standard has been set and followed and it is what it is. If body camera footage is released and shows what was widely reported (by sites other than NBC news), great. If body camera footage is released and shows a manipulation of the fact pattern to promote the theory of an outcome other than was accurate, that's problematic but probably unsurprising. I guess we'll see, maybe.

“Suffer” is a strong word here, especially in light of some of the trauma people go through in life. I try to be a realist, and while I’m not always successful at separating fact from fiction, I do try. I think the argument is silly, and while I recognize the fact that the use of natural gas is not 100% “safe” by all measures, nothing ever is. In my case, installing the fireplace has reduced our overall consumption dramatically. I like that. I think some people and organizations use fear as a tool to bludgeon people into submission. I think technology can be a good thing and if the next generation has the option of completely environmentally friendly heating/cooling and we see a major reduction in climate hypocrisy by those leading the charge for me to sit by a plant light pretending it’s a roaring fire, that’s ok by me. In the meantime, it’s cold outside and I’ll click the remote and be grateful for the smart folks who came up with safe click-to-flame technology.

I converted my old, dirty wood burning fireplace to natural gas about 8 or 9 years ago. The suggestion here is that if I’m concerned about impact to the environment, I drop $5-7000 to get an electric model with a cool led light and fake crackling w/ no heat, or $15-20,000 to return to a less dirty but dirty wood burner. I’m not feeling it, and am currently exploring the ways to beat the system in the event Gas Fireplace Prohibition becomes a thing. So far, the prevailing wisdom is to offer protection money to the politicians/authorities implementing the rules for the greater good. I’ll stay with this story…stay tuned.

Entirely possible, but if all goes as planned, there will be no subsequent gas leak.

October 11, 1993, 9:30pm @ChiGoose walks into a club, surveys the throng of sweating, heaving danceflesh, and yells to his posse "YOU WON'T EVER SEE ME UP THERE DANCING THAT DAMN MACARENO! BUNCHA LOSERS!". October 11, 1993, 9:51pm, Chi Goose...

“…at least rowing in the same direction” means nothing in the context of the Russian collusion narrative. With all the time, effort and money that went into tying Trump to treason, these are nickledick words to justify your belief in a disproven narrative. We know what happened. We know the democrats spread election disinformation to unseat Trump and scuttle his agenda, and we know you were ok with that. We know that Biden defeated Trump in 2020, and that Putin launched his invasion a short time later. These are the facts.

Unfortunately, we've seen plenty of reason to view what's passed as an objective Intelligence assessment with a jaundiced eye. From spying on American citizens, selective leaking to influence the opinions of ordinary citizens, unmasking, the withholding of critical information that might better inform citizens on issues of national importance, and massive/huge misses on stories like the Biden laptop, it's in one's best interest to question what is passed as fact. There was a time, probably, when prominent members of the left knew and warned about that sort of thing, but it seems the suggestion these days is for people to be all in on whatever narrative is being sold. That said, what the Russians may/may not have wanted is largely irrelevant to the question of whether or not DJT was elected illegitimately, or his election resulted from a coup, or if he committed acts of treason in an effort to get elected. In that regard, the democrats who spread knowingly false information about the legitimacy of our election in 2015 did more to aid the Russians in any effort to upset out apple cart than any troll farm could possibly hope to achieve. We know the conclusion of the Special Counsel and AG assessment of it. This is a matter of record--Trump was a victim of democrat political persecution. You may not like those facts, but they are the facts nonetheless.

I would think the only bigger waste of time is taking the time to declare how much time you are wasting wasting time.