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Nope. I’m just not going to chase ghosts on whatever conspiracy theory website it is that you rely on. You have some decent information, share it. Otherwise I’m not going to bother chasing down some Trumpian anti-Obama conspiracy theory. After birtherism and Obamagate stuff like this doesn’t get my benefit of the doubt. He held it upside down, too. Fitting that the Godless phony would do something like that.

You be the doctor, I’ll be the lawyer. Kneeling on a dead guy isn’t nearly as reflective of depraved indifference as failing to get medical help when the absence of pulse is identified. I realize that here the action/inaction is basically one and the same, but Chauvin’s not charged with defiling a corpse, he’s charged with essentially acting with indifference toward whether Floyd lived or died. Under your approach anyone who gets in a bar fight and puts somebody in a choke hold for too long a period could be hit with a depraved indifference crime. That’s not what depraved indifference is or what it was intended to be used for. Sure, the “other” officers can be charged with anything under the sun. But what charges will stick under the law? Simply saying that they can be charged with whatever I mentioned is akin to reaching into your rear and pulling something out. This is a nation of laws, and I don’t believe in whacking people with elevated charges simply for the sake of doing so. To do so is to abuse prosecutorial power. So if the prosector is going to charge those officers, the misconduct has to fit the alleged crime.

Charged with what? Accessorial liability? Criminally negligent homicide? Official misconduct? Defiling a corpse? The devil lies in the details there. And what about the other two officers? Their conduct (and, potentially, misconduct) is an equally murky deal. I’m not saying that those three are innocent (in a literal sense) or that they have moral high ground. I’m just not sure what, if any, criminal liability they should face. I’m not politicizing our exchange - hear me out - your point reminds me of Trump yesterday on that call saying that looters/rioters should get “five years, ten years” of imprisonment. It’s a nice thought, and for some of the rioters it might be an appropriate punishment. But the question is how to achieve that goal under the law, much as we need to answer how under the law to hold the “other” three officers responsible in the Floyd incident. I have no idea what criminal statute Trump was relying on in seeking decade-long terms of incarceration for rioters, and I’m equally leery of suggesting that the Minnesota officers definitely should be “charged” because I haven’t seen enough evidence to know what, if any, criminal statutes they may have broken. Finally, on the kneeling, I don’t see that as terribly important after the absence of a pulse was identified. It’s the failure to obtain medical help at that point that likely will support a finding of depravity. The key (assuming Minnesota’s law is like the depravity law in NYS) is the act of leaving the victim to die.

I think that happened years ago.

His comment about TV ratings is particularly salient right now. Three crises and the fearful leader is taking time to process CNN’s overnight ratings.

In NYS the AG handles.

Fake Presbyterian and hypo-Christian Donald Trump has got you fooled, that’s for sure.

I don’t care to search. Any quick link that you could give me? He was trying to play to the Evangelicals. Unfortunately the fake Presbyterian hypoChristian forgot to, you know, use the church for the purpose for which it was intended (namely, for prayer, not for a photo op) and posed like Hitler. He can’t get out of his own way.

Was the church burning at the moment gas was used? And were “cops” under duress at the moment the gas was used?

So I take it you support the use of gas on the peaceful protesters yesterday in DC?

Hoax.

The odd thing is that the Electoral College was designed to prevent exactly this type of nonsense. Again, I couldn’t care less whether somebody votes Democrat or Republican. The things we disagree upon pale in comparison to our shared values and the points upon which we agree. This guy, though, is neither. He cares more about himself than about his country, and that is exactly what we can’t have in any form in any elected office.

Hoax. “We need more prayer in this country.” Trump could have gone into the church yesterday and prayed. Instead he used the opportunity to pump some rubber bullets and tear gas into peaceful protesters, defiled the Bible, and the headed back to his bunker. I do agree on the “useful idiots” point. Only I see them as Evangelicals and “rule of law” types who buy into this guy’s nonsense. He is neither an Evangelical nor a supporter of the United States Constitution.

So believes the man who wandered over to the church yesterday. Allegedly.

Hoax. Yeah sure that’s it. The nation is burning and the guy in the Oval Office twiddles his thumbs. But the left is the only side that is failing us. Whatevs.

Do you know how many times a conviction of depraved indifference murder was upheld in NYS in a one-on-one setting (like this one)? Once, as of about five years ago. It is not an easy crime to prove and really should be a charge of last resort. Once again, this is an appropriate “last resort” situation because it allows for a charge of murder that might actually stick. To me it’s not the continued use of the knee that makes the case. It’s the point at which the officer knew or should have known the victim did not have a pulse, and the officer’s response to that knowledge (as you noted, the failure to seek or give medical help).

I hate to say it, but that’s where we’re headed. I don’t care if someone votes Democrat or Republican or something else. I do care if they vote for Trump. He is a disgrace to democracy.

Who said I think only about the president? Actually I don’t think about him all that much. Most of my time for free thought is dedicated to protestors who are rightfully angry, the overwhelming majority of law enforcement who are good people and who do their impossible jobs for the right reasons, and the sadness I feel that our nation is so rawly divided. Only then do I think about our loser president and his failure to even attempt to address this situation. Robert Byrd was a scumbag. He’s the democratic version of Mitch McConnell. Both bad dudes.

Visit opinion and thought leaders in Minnesota. Politics 101. Leadership 101. Listen to the people who can influence thought. And he has to go to them - not talk to them on the phone, and not have them visit the oval. They deserve the respect of the president coming to them, and it will be much more effective if the president goes to them. You’re right about the bishop. There’s a higher power that will judge fake Presbyterian Donald Trump for exploiting religion for personal and political gain.

I didn’t see any images of St. John’s burning, but I read something from the minister there this morning who is pissed off that fake Presbyterian Donald Trump used the minister’s church as a prop yesterday.

It’s probably harder than you think. In NYS depraved indifference murder typically does not apply to one-on-one killings. That culpable mental state might be (and probably is) defined differently in Minnesota. I’m not being funny; you said “the very definition of” the depraved indifference culpable mental state. Do you have the definition of that culpable mental state? I’d like to see it. All of that said, again, I would have charged the case exactly as it was done in Minnesota. I don’t think this is intentional murder, and the depraved indifference charge on top of the manslaughter could allow a jury to compromise but still convict.

Maybe, but it all has to play out. Nixon won in 1968.

It’s a tremendous book! I like it all! And I lie the New Testament and the Old Testament equally! There’s not one thing this guy has said or does that makes me think he has actually read the Bible. I take it you agree that the fake tough guy is probably chilling five stories below the surface of the earth watching OAN and tweeting about boogeyman Democrats. Got it. edit: or, maybe he’s reading that bible he waddled over to the church with today!

Nope. we have a leadership vacuum in the federal level. Speaking of spineless pols, is trump still hiding in his bunker tonight?

Hoax. Fake news.