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Plain and simple it's time for orton. The offense looks inept. Enough is enough.

Whatever may or may not have happened with whatever group Kelly may or may not have assembled, the prevailing point here is that Kelly stayed true and loyal to Buffalo. Stand up move.

A couple of things. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Mrs. Pegula may well be the controlling owner. Putting aside Kim's local upbringing and the benefit that her youth provides to the future ownership question, it would be such a good "look" for the NFL to have a young, female, minority owner. Not that the Ray Rice story is a reason to do something like this, but Kim would be good for the NFL on so many levels. On the political end of things, maybe I'm not hearing the same things as you, but my impression is that the relevant pols are more concerned with a buyer keeping the team here than with the identity of the buyer. Perhaps Cuomo would prefer the Pegulas because the Pegula wealth might lessen the state's contribution on a future stadium, but that's speculation on my end. I wondered whether Golisano might have a pipeline into the governor's office through Bob Duffy or maybe Joe Morrelle, but from what you're saying that might not be true.

I see your point but I'm not sure that the Clancy example is a good one. I have to shake some cobwebs out of the memory here, but back when I spent more time following sports I recall reading an article indicating that Jerry Jones had spoken to Clacny about the Vikings deal and learned that Clancy was putting a "mere" $5m of Clancy's money into the deal. Jones pointed out that Jones had just given a guard (Larry Allen, I believe) $5m, with the point being that Clancy was grossly undercapitalized. Milstein seems to be a much better example - not sure why his bid was rejected.

Nothing political about your view. Hack job by hack political paper. That paper and the front page are political mouthpieces (nf reporter for Steve pigeon and front page for Ralph lorigo and Conservative party). Not taking a position on fracking; just saying the nf reporter has no credibility. It is junk.

No inside knowledge here, but my guess is that the locals aren't terribly plugged in. The stadium is primarily a state issue - when the deal gets cut, it's with the governor. There is a county component, but when the bills seal the deal it's with the governor on the phone. I think a lot of the stadium talk is posturing. Poloncarz is up for reelection next year, and he's not going to give the bills a blank check, particularly when the "bills" money would impact his constituency's use of libraries and community services. One of the other wild cards here is that both potential republican candidates will pose "bills" problems for Poloncarz. Chris Jacobs of the Jacobs clan could be in the mix, and if that family is involved in "saving" The bills through a stadium deal that could make things dicey for Poloncarz for obvious reasons. At this point the other realistic opponent is pat gallivan, who will probably try to peel some democratic votes out of south buffalo by working the CPS issue (think of the five year old who was murdered there within the past year or so), and in that event Poloncarz will have to deal with the issue how to balance funding for a bills stadium with monies for CPS and like programs. I don't consider Stefan mychajliw a realistic opponent at this point, but to the extent he's the opponent I doubt he poses a "bills" problem.

Spend some time volunteering tutoring in schools and things like this will cease to amaze you. This coming from a guy who will never be mistaken for a rocket scientist.

Great point on falling forward on fred - absolutely right. I just tin he hits it a little high and a little slow in the type of situation we saw list night. I like Dixon in the role. Summers wasn't all that bad last year at it, but the next cut he makes when a hole is plugged will be the first. Btw, I really enjoyed yOur posts today. Thanks for the insight and the conversation.

Totally agree on LG. Cost us two games last year (Cincinnati and KC). Also FJ is not a good short yardage back. He just isn't . Starting to remind me of a slower McGahee based on new body type and patience, but just isn't a good short yardage back. Personally I think he runs a little high for that task, but just me. Also, perhaps it would help to be under center on those down and distances now and again, especially at the goal line.

Yes. Looks out of shape. Like he took signing bonus and pulled the chute. He and urbik should worry about their spots. Urbik may make it by default, but if we see Bryant/Charles/Cohen getting snaps with the ones next week it may be a sign that branch is in serious trouble.

Says who? I'm being serious when I ask that question. I'm going to guess this is a tech group. Assuming it is, and if you'll indulge me, could I learn about it on "Facebook," should I "google" it, or would it be best that I "twitter" it to learn more?

Joe Dufek. Vince Ferragamo is too rich for their blood.

Kelly's presence is basically immaterial to me. Only way he's involved is if someone needs him, and someonone only needs him if they in turn need to play the sentimental card with the trust. Assuming reports are true, pegulas presentation goes like this: I have about 1.3B cash that I will give you for team. And, as far as movement goes, I'm local so I'll do whatever you want to guarantee team here. And --- this is the part I doubt anyone can match --- team will either be held jointly w right of survivorship w my wife, Kim, or solely in her name. Beauty of that is Kim is not only a local but 45 YEARS OLD, so the worry of another sale to pay estate taxes is virtually nonexistent for 30 years. In other words, in addition to seming cash advantage the pegulas can play the local game as well as anyone. Only group w that kind of edge might be the young tech guy from Lockport or the Jacobs if they get into the kid and put the team with the kids. Kelly's presence is basically immaterial to me. Only way he's involved is if someone needs him, and someonone only needs him if they in turn need to play the sentimental card with the trust. Assuming reports are true, pegulas presentation goes like this: I have about 1.3B cash that I will give you for team. And, as far as movement goes, I'm local so I'll do whatever you want to guarantee team here. And --- this is the part I doubt anyone can match --- team will either be held jointly w right of survivorship w my wife, Kim, or solely in her name. Beauty of that is Kim is not only a local but 45 YEARS OLD, so the worry of another sale to pay estate taxes is virtually nonexistent for 30 years. In other words, in addition to seming cash advantage the pegulas can play the local game as well as anyone. Only group w that kind of edge might be the young tech guy from Lockport or the Jacobs if they get into the bid and put the team with the kids.

The tg article is great. Doubt we get confirmation of its veracity soon. If reports of the nda are the and I represent JBJ, I'm calling him and telling him now would be a great time to shut the eff up.

Bc it's a negotiation. If someone wants to do a deal w you, but you can increase the deal by ridiculous sum (say $100m) by dragging things out for a few weeks, I bet youd do it (I would, and for WAY less coin). Read my purely spec timeline, as I guess assented to by Kirby.

I suspect there is at least one local bidder besides BTG still in the wings if needed. No direct info, just an educated guess. Doubt we think or hear of this prospect unless trust and/or NFL needs him.

Seems like this was sniffed out on Sunday morning. Great news bc means trust is likely satisfied with local indicative bids - otherwise wouldn't dismiss JBJ bid. My guess (Kirby and bandit, feel free to comment): at least one more bidder (BTG) will enter fray; if trust unsatisfied w finalist bids may seek to open door to another local bid through creative plan previously hinted at here. Once satisfied w final bids target AIP before first home reg season game to have raucous celebration of Ralph; deal to close at October mtgs and new owner introduced at October 12 game. Current machinations likely efforts to tease more money out of pegula bid.

Doubtful on legal action. Why alienate bidders? Would deflate price. Also, based on subject statements, good luck proving damages.

It's a nice letter, but they shouldn't stop at the escape clause. To waive that provision would be a nice show of good faith (or a brilliant ploy, depending on your perspective), but my concern with the bongiovanni group is post lease.

You got it. Someone here said dont underestimate Russ's role, and I'll say a similar thing about Schumer. Schumer interest alone is a big threat to nfl. Notice gillibrand is uninvolved on issue, and prob wouldn't have the juice to do anything if she was in the mix. Cuomo key too on stadium end, but that doesn't matter if no local buyer or no local mandate. Absolutely. Totally agree w logic. Likely something in trust precluding future employment for trustees - just bc they wouldn't seem to want it for geograpghical or fiscal reasons doesn't mean something weird couldn't happen - think "Mary Owen, I will make you the queen of the bills and get your mug on espn all the time," and maybe she wants that. Anyhow, agree w you on unlikelihood of conflict, and will guess there is something in trust dealing w that problem.

Agree on protection of wishes. Almost certainly written into trust. But what about an "all thing being equal" situation - that is, tie or near thing bw two local groups - one who will give them something they want v one that won't. I guess where I struggle is that if Russ isn't a trustee bc of conflict w future employment they (Littman and Owen) seem to have similar problem.

We think alike!

One more q. How are Mary Owen and Littman not conflicted? Assuming they're trustees (I'm so assuming) I've wondered about the possibility of their interests in the sale. I'd really like to see how the trust is constructed - it's probably beautiful - but I've thought about the possibility of a bidder "working" those votes. I suppose the practical answer (maybe not for Littman, but whatever) is that they're beneficiaries and any gain from sale dwarfs their salary, or that as trustees they're precluded from working in or for org for a certain time after sale.

Thanks. Makes perfect sense. Cutting JBJ, or any group, weakens competition and obv could push price down. Any idea on timeline for this? Given reeds thing last night and the smoke around town I'm assuming the sale is close to done deal and the current state of affairs is posturing.

Quick question if I may (and if you know and are willing to share): did JBJ group advance, not advance, or is question tbd? Wondering whether jury is out at last nights politicking and the letter addresses the tbd issue. Also would explain relaxation of rules to allow golisano in to create competition if JBJ is out or tbd (and in general, I guess, but not the point of my question). I suppose terms of trust could support your "not moving" statement (assuming statement considers post-lease bills), but under that scenario it's hard to explain such a mealy mouthed bongiovanni letter. Either JBJ is more direct under that scenario (better pr this way), or no need for suspect letter in first place.