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I'd like to watch a Bills playoff game again in my lifetime. BTW, it's not like getting a playoff spot means OBD will stop trying to improve the team. "Whew! We snuck in at 8-8! Let's sign everyone to an extension and bring in nobody new!" said no GM ever.

I find this kind of fan purity completely unbelievable after 14 years of no playoffs.

But I have to chime in here and agree with those who say that the Bills have brought in this type of player repeatedly. You can say it's not about the particular player but when your criticism hinges on the team cutting that particular player, it rings a little hollow. I mean, haven't subsequent events shown that the Bills in fact exercised good judgment in this case? Giving guys a shot doesn't mean keeping them no matter what.

Who are you arguing against here? I'm not claiming that the Bills backing into the playoffs would mean they're set for the future. I don't think anyone else is, either. But at this point in terms of players on the roster, future draft picks, etc., what's done is done. The Bills will not be in an appreciably better position if they go 4-12, so why not enjoy the possibilities for this season and let the future unfold at its own pace?

As others have said, 9 wins in this division will probably give you a legit shot at the playoffs. Based on the way EJ played these last 2 games, I don't think the difference would've ended up being 7 vs. 9.

You'd be happy with year 15 of no playoffs if you felt the team was "making progress"? Like I said, I don't understand it at all. You don't have to be impressed by winning a crappy division, you can just enjoy seeing the Bills play in a game that matters in January.

I don't think I will ever understand this train of thought.

I sure as hell hope the coaches are going into this trying to win right now. That would be the proper approach whether or not they've been told their jobs hinge on a playoff spot. This is no time to be sacrificing a season with the goal of developing a QB.

I thought Florio was full of it from the moment he made his post about it. It just didn't make any sense. And of course, today in his post about it, he makes it sound like Marrone has reversed course, rather than Florio being wrong all along.

I believe Kirby is talking about Bradford while you're talking about Manuel.

Was there any confirmation for that being the cause rather than something Florio pulled out of his butt? It struck me as implausible at the time, and even more so now.

For me, it's not about Orton, at all. It's about EJ Manuel not getting the job done, and needing to sit on the bench for his own good and the good of the team.

And Manuel is actively hindering them at this point. I don't think continuing to throw a guy to the wolves out there when he is CLEARLY not ready is the answer. Is there anything you can point to that shows Manuel was learning? By the way, I would love to back into a playoff spot. Are you kidding me? That would be huge!

The thing is, those guys... they coupled those games with making plays happen for their team too. 21/44 for 225 is godawful.

It's enough to judge, at a minimum, that he's not ready to be out on the field right now. I've been hoping for Manuel to succeed but when he's just not making the plays you have to make a switch. It doesn't necessarily mean he's done for all time (though if I were a betting man that's the way I'd bet). Maybe he can still turn it around and perform if he gets called on.

No, Manuel had a poor game. You don't need to think he played well to think it's ridiculous to talk about putting Orton in after one bad performance.

The OP labeled it "Kyle Orton".

He's at least the gimp, though, right?

I might have some questions for him the next time I see him.

Aftershocks will probably continue for a while.

My brother's boyfriend is gay and that joke didn't bother me at all.

Make them toss in a couple of bullets too and it's not a bad deal.

Hmm... safety next?

Don't worry about it, I expect Atlanta to pull starters soon.

The good news is their offense is also terrible, so they're not wasting a good performance on one side of the ball.