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In Canada we have first past the post and multiple parties, so it is definitely possible. Realistically only 3 parties (right, middle-left, left) hold any power and the third party has never held a majority, but right now the two left parties are working together as a majority. i like that they are forced to compromise to a point because they must work with each other or do nothing.
FPTP is crap, but at least we have more than one party which seems makes it less terrible.
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1 hour ago, B-Man said:
But he got better!
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Just had my own run in with a firearm in Canada. It is a sad story. man very close to me was assaulted several times by his wife (who is from Texas). On one occasion, she held a gun to his head. After her arrest, that gun was found hidden in their bedroom, a prohibited weapon in Canada, smuggled across the border, with no license or anything. she faces serious charges here.
I'm wondering, when one day she inevitably returns to Texas, how easy will it be for her to get another firearm? And does it seem right that she should have the privilege of owning a firearm, ever again? This is a person who has proven herself dangerous and reckless, but on paper only in Canada's eyes (unless there is a system our two countries share?).
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1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:
I just took France from your example since it is easiest. It was allowed to save the mothers life starting in 1939. Not sure where you are reading that highly Catholic Italy and France allowed it then but they are wrong.
England had very harsh punishments also. Until the 20th century
Easy is it? It is more complicated than you pretend. Abortion to save the life of the mother was permitted by the French Medical Academy in 1852, to be revoked by the Vatican in 1895. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12335904/
In the US "Abortifacient advertising was highly effective in the United States, though apparently less so across the Atlantic. Contemporary estimates of mid-19th century abortion rates in the United States suggest between 20% and 25% of all pregnancies in the United States during that era ended in abortion." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion So, it was accepted by a large amount women at that time at least. The point is, it was not "unthinkable", and it was quite common at least in the USA. 25% is a large number.
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14 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:
You went to a time frame where the science is basically non existentent. You called it nonsense but in civil society abortion it was considered an abomination until the concept of eugenics came about. I did not consider anyone prior to about 1500 AD when asking the question.
it would have been helpful if you worded the question clearly. incidentally, i'm seeing multiple examples in italy, england and north america where abortion was legal in the 1600s, depending on circumstance. it was illegal in more places, no question, that much i will agree with. France's perception and laws changed later (they started to regard it as family planning in the 1800s). if you need me to cite those examples, i will. point is, it's not accepted fact that abortion was illegal everywhere before 1920.
the article i responded about says "The Bolsheviks introduced abortion in 1920 explicitly to break up families in order to make the survivors loyal only to the state. Prior to that, abortion was unthinkable. " turns out, it was accepted many places, legal in some, far from "unthinkable".
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18 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:
So you have to go to a time when human sacrifices were acceptable. In civil society from at least the 1600's till the eugenics movement the concept of an abortion was not proper.
i didn't "have to" go anywhere. i merely answered your question just as you asked, and because i answered it you are posing a new challenge now?
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1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:
I will challenge you find me an example of a politician or someone publicly endorsing abortion prior to the 1920's in a civilized society?
Will Aristotle do? He wrote about the difference between lawful and unlawful abortion. he wrote about "delayed ensoulment" which described how before a certain amount of time in the womb, the unborn was not considered to be human.
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12 hours ago, B-Man said:
Abortion, racism, eugenics: Charles Payne and Sen. Tim Scott say the quiet part out loud
by Monica Showalter
spewing nonsense as if it were fact. abortion unthinkable before the 1920's? abortion has been around since ancient times.
i mean, i'm ready to have a reasonable conversation and many others are as well. but when you post nonsense like this it makes it difficult to take you seriously.
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23 hours ago, B-Man said:
THE LEFT TWISTS THE LANGUAGE TO HIDE THE UGLINESS OF THEIR VIEWS:
“Reproductive health” = abortion.
https://www.thenewneo.com/2022/05/11/reproductive-health-abortion/
Ah yes, only "the left" twists language.
The constant hyperbole here is tiresome.
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5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:
Thanks your concern…I’m fine actually! I’ve yet to burn anything down, topple a statue, loot a liquor store or anything close.
very good!
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17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
Dickie….don’t blame me. You took it down this odd cul-de-sac. Let’s see who ends up being right. The American people simply cannot take week after week of outrage. These stories all tend to burn themselves out. We’ve all seen it, time and time and time again.
i did. and i agree it is odd although we aren't talking about a straightforward question.
as for american outrage - i thought constant outrage was your thing. right or left, it's outrage pretty much 24/7.
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12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
No, it’s on me. I misread “medical community” as “god”.
ah, that was purely theoretical for those who do believe.
7 minutes ago, Doc said:Avoidable...how?
some things we could do now to help (eg early detection of pregnancy, regular testing). others we need more research (eg genetic manipulation, uterine structure, autoimmune disease).
certainly more can be done.
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4 minutes ago, Doc said:
Meaning there is some problem with the fetus, typically genetic.
sometimes it is genetic, sometimes not. many (if not all) possibly avoidable ie not "meant to be".
2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:So if I’m reading these last few pages correctly the Left has already moved on from trying to promote abortion to instead trying to stop miscarriages? Well this latest week of ‘hair on fire’ liberal outrage didn’t last very long. Next?
one person (me) is "the left" now? why do conversations always have to devolve this way?
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3 minutes ago, Doc said:
Again, at less than 8 weeks, few know they're pregnant anyway. And if an embryo fails to survive, it was meant to be.
not knowing they're pregnant, that's true, but if there is a miscarriage the human zygote still dies. it doesn't matter if you know or not.
"meant to be" wtf is that supposed to mean? in a medical context coming from a medical professional, no less.
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11 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:
What? You think the entire medical establishment is purposely ignoring the problem of miscarriages? Sure they are. That makes sense. Again…ridiculous!
I think that if one believes that a human zygote is equivalent to a child, there is not nearly enough effort, considering the millions of deaths. Again, it in something on the magnitude of at least 1/4 (likely much more) of all deaths in usa each year.
i mean, if the medical community really considered zygotes living children, there is no question in my mind that efforts to reduce miscarriage would be pushed hard. And those that do consider zygotes = child should also pour at least some of their efforts into that travesty.
5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:It didn’t read like that was your point originally.
Sorry i wasn't clear.
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14 hours ago, Doc said:
You can disagree all you want. I'm in the medical field. I know they've been doing all they can to improve fetal (meaning 8 weeks+, since prior to that few know they're pregnant, much less had a spontaneous abortion) survivability. But just like with other diseases, there's only so much one can do.
BTW, I realize what you said started-off as satire. But I had to jump in to correct your untruths.
I thought we were talking less than 8 weeks, the point was about human zygotes being equal to a child.
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2 minutes ago, Doc said:
Sure they have.
We will have to disagree on that.
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2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:
Honest Question:
What's the point of this message board if you're only going to talk with people who agree with you?
i agree, and am definitely open to discussing things.
westside wants to call me a liar and refer to me as a "cult radical" but i am not that. and of course he has zero evidence of such. i'm certainly not entreched on a "side" although i'm sure you would consider me more left than right (being canadian that's kind of the default anyways compared to usa). i think there are insane people of all political leanings.
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2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:
What? A miscarriage is a natural occurrence, often because something is wrong with pregnancy. You want to prevent them? Can this get any more ridiculous?!!
"Natural"? What do you think that means?
Plenty of miscarriages are preventable, who knows how many though since we dont put many resources into research in that area.
And we also dont know how many miscarriages go unnoticed, the estimate is very high.
Go ahead call it ridiculous, it just makes you sound uninformed.
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Just now, Doc said:
"We" have been.
Not with the urgency and resources that the other top killers do.
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3 minutes ago, Westside said:
Try harder.
exactly.
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1 minute ago, LeviF said:
even if we can't explain it - shouldn't we be working our asses off to prevent it? miscarriage accounts for 1/4 to 1/3 of all deaths in the USA every year, if human zygotes = human being.
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17 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
Huh.
The advances in reproductive health over the decades have been nothing short of amazing. In addition, the advances in mental health treatments for people who have suffered through that event are amazing as well.
If you believed in God, your perspective might be different.
Not nearly enough when it comes to miscarriage, no great push for it either. I mean a MAJOR push for the likely 1 million human zygotes lost in the usa alone every year. And i meant support for women during pregnancy, to minimize miscarriages. Yes mental health support is helpful and needed and that's good, but preventing miscarriage would be better.
And if god is real, and human zygotes are innocent children, he is the single most prolific abortionist in existence by far. what shall be done with this scourge of humanity?
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At least 10% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. That estimate is low, many women don't realize they were pregnant and miscarried.
If human zygotes = a human child, miscarriage is the #1 killer of children bar none. If i believed in god, i'd probably be pretty pissed off at him about that, who else to blame for such a colossal amount of murder and atrocity? And we should probably pour massive amounts of $$ into miscarriage research and support for women, preventing miscarriage should be a top priority.
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it is not inevitable. even literally. being "healthy for 3 straight years" (a dubious claim) has no bearing on the future at all.