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Again some on this board are saying sit JP NEXT YEAR AS WELL! Read man, read...

Not at all.

So a couple wins over crappy teams and now MM is genious? Oh christ it has really went south in here. Again read the post, We now have assclowns saying JP sits ANOTHER YEAR. sorry no. You drafted him in the first round, you made this guy your franchise QB by doing so. He has to play to develop. Again Brady STARTED 14 out of the last 15 for the Pats.

"Yeah Tom Brady won his first year starting part way through the season." Well damn that NFL.com how dare they say he started 14 out of 15 games. Now to me STARTING 14 games isn't exactly way into a season now is it? 14 STARTING games to prepare. Hey I would be happy if JP got FOUR this season.

4 years starting exp by your own numbers BEFORE taking a snap at San fran... 1984 L.A.Express - USFL 310 179 2361 57.7 10 9 80.6 1985 L.A.Express - USFL 250 137 1741 54.8 6 13 63.1 1985 Buccaneers 138 72 935 52.2 3 8 56.9 1986 Buccaneers 363 195 2282 53.7 8 13 65.5 That's FOUR years as a starter in some league somewhere. and yes there was a time they wanted Steve Bono over Young.

Because he has been 100% correct.

so a 52-47 schedule is 8th toughest? I am not saying you are wrong but doesn't that look kinda wrong?

Well I am not JS but I can say the man has been more right than not this year.

PASSING G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate 2000 New England Patriots 1 0 3 1 33.3 6 2.00 6 0 0 0/0 0 0 42.4 2001 New England Patriots 15 14 413 264 63.9 2843 6.88 91 18 12 41/216 32 6 86.5 2002 New England Patriots 16 16 601 373 62.1 3764 6.26 49 28 14 31/190 37 3 85.7 2003 New England Patriots 16 16 527 317 60.2 3620 6.87 82 23 12 32/219 44 8 85.9 2004 New England Patriots 11 11 337 198 58.8 2614 7.76 50 18 8 19/119 35 8 91.3 TOTAL 59 57 1881 1153 61.3 12847 6.83 91 87 46 123/744 148 25 86.8 Anyone notice how many games/Games STARTED Brady had his first full year? But hey some will stand on the 'he sat his first full year' I stand on 'He STARTED the entire 2nd year' some here are now clammoring for JP to sit ANOTHER Full season.

The guy has DEVELOPED into the player he is today. Again write and write and write over and over and over, it will change NOTHING. PLAYING and doing it as a STARTER is the ONLY Way you develop as a player.

Quinn Early. good solid WR, misused IMHO. Only had one season with Kelly.

NE, Jets, Miami, Baltimore, Jacksonville, oakland, Seattle, Stl, and Arizona are a combined 52-47 I believe. Add the next few games in..Miami, Cleveland, Cinci, SF and Pitt and we have a 21-34 win/loss for the remaining teams.

Fatty write a 10 billion word post, it doesnt' change anything. STARTING is the only way. just handing a ball of isn't going to get it done. As for your stupid assed 'start him when he is ready' Bull stevestojan....NO QB WOULD EVER START with that type of thinking. NONE. As for Pennington...how many playoff games have they won? How many superbowls? Seems to me the guys that developed ON THE FIELD are the ones that have taken their teams furthest.

I think instead we save the cap room and finally start Edwards. Williams is getting long in the tooth.

And look at Favres stats when he did get to start. Look at Youngs. Hell they wanted STEVE BONO Youg was so damn bad. Bottom line 100 times out of 100 ONLY by being on the field starting and playing do you develop.

Yeah look at him now, on the bench injured AGAIN. Hey sit the rookie for all I care, it just delays how much you clowns get to B word and whine when he does take over and doesn't do spit thanks to sitting.

Fatty, STARTING on the field of play, Leading a team, actually throwing more than one pass in mop up duty...THAT is development. Each and every one of us on this message board could do what JP was asked to do on Sunday. You will NEVER win this arguement. It goes against everything ever done with a QB in the history of football. When JP STARTS, THEN he is developing.

LMAO! Ok well now that you have made your 'braveheart/Gladiator' speech all I can say is lighten up francis. Back to reality... If this team drops a 7th game, we are out of the playoffs. When this happens you start playing the guys that need the experience. BTW...you yourself are exactly what you dislike the most. Everyteam should have nothing less than SUPERBOWL in mind. That went breasts up when we went 0-4. Oh and Mikey, YES JP is our 'QB of the future'. When you draft a QB in the first round you just made him your franchise QB/QB of the future. That is the way it is, has always been done and will always be done. Unless you are much smarter than every GM/HC/Owner to ever do so.

Actually mort reported that Davis was going to give the ownership a buyout for a lesser amount IF allowed to resign today. I guess they did

Actually JS has been dead on moreso than not this season. I know the homers here don't want to hear that though, but it's true. Maybe the guy can see the team as it really is, good and bad, without the rose colored glasses?

Prides ass. If they had pride then they would be 8-3 not 5-6. Quit being a dumbass about the situation. When the #7 loss comes then Losman should start. If you are out of the playoffs THEN you start playing the guys that will need to develop. BTW...even losman has said PRACTICE is NO replacement for real game time.

and that is why a team under you will never succeed. if a season is over ( and it will be with 7 losses) then you start preparing for the future. Understand this folks, we drafted a QB in the first round. That means you have chosen him to be your Franchise QB. To have him sit is NOT going to develop him. Look at Carson Palmer. The guy sat all year last year...he is now developing. I can tell you right now SanDiego screwed the pooch taking a QB. Brees is now a 3rd year starter. he is NOW doing the things a 3RD YEAR STARTER should do. Read defenses better etc. What SD should have done was take the stud LT that came out or given Brees even more help in some other area. Sitting a QB doesn't help him develop. Now if you want to trade him and get some other 3rd, 4th, 5th round QB in here and send him to NFLE in the offseason for experience then fine. But you can't do that with a 1st round QB. too much money invested.

We keep agreeing on things and people WILL start thinking we are the same person.

Understand this, JP Lossman will NOT get any better sitting the bench. One more time for the reeeeeeeeeally slow on this board....NO player gets better on the bench. None. What big name FA will we have the cap room to get esp re-signing our own FA's that are responsible for making this turn around? Other than a CB maybe what else do we need? This OL has given our QB's plenty of time IF they get rid of the ball. They have paved the way for 5 100 yard rushing games for WM out of the last 6. so I am sorry your ideas don't hold water.

Cinci on the road will be tough.