dave mcbride

It was definitely right to reverse that call; he had gotten the first down. Not even really debatable, actually. Not really: they spot it where he caught because he's getting pushed back by a defender immediately after he catches the ball. What the officials do on those plays is the right thing. His forward progress stops at the moment that the tackle process begins. It doesn't stop at the end of the tackle process.

Agreed. I've watched a fair bit of the Titans this year, and he is bad - a big disappointment. Maybe he turns it around, and I know he has a knee issue (a problem for a mobile qb like him). But for this season at least, he is significantly worse than Taylor despite having FAR more receiving talent.

The current logo is just the grazer after he's been gored by a spear.

I thought he played extremely well this year in very challenging conditions (i.e., playing alongside a defense that was one of the very worst in all of D1 football - 117th out of 130 in points allowed per game). He's a good player and looks like the type of person who can succeed in the NFL. I think we all need to look past the noise. As for the Browns, I'm normally one of those people who think the players are obligated to go wherever because it's in every player's interest (whether they know it or not) for the league to have competitive balance in the long term. However, the Browns are such an epic dumpster fire that I'm presently treating them as an exception.

Now THAT is funny! (Cuz it's true.)

I think you're misreading them, JSP. I know that badol and 26cb know that we have to get a better qb, but they also think that a la donald rumsfeld, you go to war with the army you have, not the one you wish you have. For all of his limitations, taylor is basically a mid-level nfl starter who can flash some quality play provided you give him receiving talent. The bills have no one else who is better, and given that you're presumably trying to win, giving him so help by way of wr talent would be helpful. The wr corps this year has been truly wretched, although long term l like benjamin assuming he's 100 percent next year. Right now, he's gutting it out, but he's also likely running a 4.9 40 too. the big issue is the failure to ever draft a qb with their slotted first pick. They have never done it in nearly 60 years. That is pathetic.

Not one of these people think like you’re implying they do.

The funny thing about this post is that there is literally no one on this board who doesn't want to get better at qb. Not sure who you think you're arguing with.

Worth a read: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/24/mike-pereira-blasts-latest-replay-reversal/

Irrelevant. The bills scored on the next play and were absolutely screwed. That is ALL that matters here.

That was effing outrageous. I literally cannot believe that was overturned.

I don't think it's that simple. The pats did get over half of season of service from jimmy G by not trading him, and while that may not sound like much given that he didn't play, you never know what might happen beforehand with regard to injuries and age-related decline. By the time they traded him, they were well on their way to the playoffs. So I think it's a similar deal at the end of the day. A pick in the high 30s is a good pick too, albeit not a top 5 pick for sure.

They're getting a 5th, not a 6th.

Good comparison. Gannon was a helluva player later in his career!

I get that. He doesn't seem to always shine in clutch moments. But he is very productive, and my hunch is that he's the sort of qb who gets better with age because he's pretty smart, a good and quick field reader, and can make all of the throws. Barring injury, I suspect he'll play for a long time.

Fair enough, but it's not true to say that he has accuracy issues. He's measurably one of the most accurate QBs in the league - look at completion pct and ypa the last three seasons. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00.htm

Why? I haven't formed a strong opinion yet, but I've seen a fair bit of Cousins and he has played like a near-elite level QB for 3 seasons now. He's not the problem with that franchise by a long shot.

Yup. Look at the trade for Goff too. I suggest everyone read this piece, which is a classic example of "you're foolish to trade a lot of picks for the chance to draft a franchise qb because he might not be any good!" http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/05/03/the-tennessee-titans-won-the-jared-goff-trade-and-its-not-even-close/ Goff appears to be a LOT better than Mariota.

Emtman was AWESOME before he had a very bad knee injury in his rookie season. He looked like the defensive player of the year after the first few games. He was never the same afterward. He was a good pick, but there's no accounting for catastrophic injury in the NFL. I'll be shocked if they take Rosen over Darnold if the latter comes out. I've yet to see one report in which an actual NFL person said they'd take Rosen if given the choice between the two. Rosen is a legit top ten pick, but Darnold's upside is simply higher. Better athlete, better arm, and just a big-game player. Not to say that Rosen isn't good too, but he just isn't the prospect that Darnold is.

?? -- They have gone from 1st in YPA in both 2015 and 2016 to 13th in YPA. That's a huge decline (granted, they're not terrible). YPA for both passing and rushing is in my view the best measure of offensive success.

I think he's still good; he's just having a down season and a bunch of it stems from the team. Amari Cooper has been a black hole (no pun intended) this season too. So many drops. This is a guy who is supposed to be a Julio Jones-type player.

My favorite: Marlon McCree making what should have been the game ending INT in the 2006 SD-NE playoff game and instead of going down and taking a knee, actually tries to return it. Troy Brown of course strips it, NE gets it back, Brady hits on a bomb, and NE wins a game in which they were thoroughly dominated. That INT was a fourth down play too! http://www.footballinsiders.com/four-plays-that-changed-nfl-history/

New to this thread. Are people really arguing that that was a catch? By the rule (which is the right rule, in my opinion - otherwise we'd have a spate of stupid fumble calls on plays in which the receiver possessed the ball for one second), it was as clear as day that he didn't possess it all the way to the ground. If you're looking for someone to blame, focus on Todd Haley, who called a trick fake spike play with only one receiever running a route. If the others had run routes, Harmon would have had to cover one of them and wouldn't have been in perfect position to get the deflection. Did Haley think he could trick a Belichick team with a fake spike near the end zone in the final seconds? If he did, he's pretty foolish.

The defense was terrible last season. Look at these numbers. We beat a NE team starting a third string QB playing with a broken finger on his throwing hand, a terrible Rams offense (32nd in offensive DVOA), a bad SF offense (23rd in offensive DVOA), a bad Jags offense (27th in offensive DVOA) the freaking Browns minus their starting QB (29th in DVOA), and a Cincy team that lost their best player by far (AJ Green) on the first play from scrimmage. They played a fair number of bad offenses last year, but when they played competent offenses, they were destroyed. And they gave up 37 and 30 points to a Jets team that was 31st in offensive DVOA. Make no bones about it: they were HORRIBLE on defense last season.

Williams has played extremely well the past two games.