ndirish1978

This isn't an argument about the semantics of what a bridge QB is, I'm saying it is a dumb idea to advocate bringing in some middling guy from the outside when we already have a middling QB with at least some upside. Alex Smith, Nick Foles, these guys are not taking us to the SB, I'm tired of the "let's get rid of TT for $ and start some other middling QB", if you don't want him, then bringin in the youth movement

Ready enough to win us about the same amount of games we would have won with Tyrod taking into consideration what we've seen from both of them to this point - about 2 games. We probably go 5-11 or 6-10 instead of 7-9 or 8-8 but we haven't invested a huge cap hit on someone the FO doesn't seem to believe is "the guy". That said, if they think TT can grow into that, then pay him. I just don't like all the talk about bringing in a bunch of has-beens when we already know what kind of QBs they are. As a FO either you believe TT is the guy or you bounce him to save money and just get young guys in here.

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Now you're just making up things you have no info on

Yes I mean you're obviously right, that's why he kept his job...

Yes, they are great sources that allow him to say things like "maybe, or possibly not", that's gripping journalism.

When a team has a longstanding history of poor relationship with the media and poor communication, you err on the side of history, not your devil's advocate position that they probably tried and Pegula is a moron and Berchtold suddenly became competent.

Who said guarantee? You have a better shot at a franchise QB who is widely regarded as a top 5 pick. I doubt I am telling you something new here, unless you believe you have the skill to identify franchise QBs at any stage in the draft. If you did, I suppose you may be actually making those picks rather than posting on a message board though.

How do you know that he didn't?

He's an unknown quantity as a HC. I don't think it sways people one way or another until he shows he can field a winning team

It's a safe assumption, but not a guarantee. Please keep in mind the person to whom the comment was directed. You can state a widely held conclusion (x is a bad player) and he will take the opposite stance just to try and waste your time making you prove something that is obvious.

At a certain point in your professional life, and I truly hope you get there some day, you are not supposed to merely follow orders. Being a VP means you have a responsibility to the owner to tell him when he's making a mistake and convince him to do what's in the best interest of the franchise. A competent VP of Communications would be able to do this.

Agree. Would be nice to have both. We only have 3 LBers under contract right now anyway. You find a way to start Klein, Brown and Brown and allow Ragland to find his fit in the scheme as he learns the defense and gets a full training camp under him. If he supplants one of the other guys (likely Preston Brown) then so be it.

At least try to be less willfully ignorant. You put people in a position to do their best or you don't. Whether or not Pegula is a passable public speaker (he is not) he should have been out there because that's simply what teams do. Indulging his need to not be out in public did Pegula no favors and didn't help him at all.

No, but he is likely responsible for sending him out alone to look foolish. The VP of Communications should have stood up when that decision was made and said "no, everyone needs to be there and present a unified front". Berchtold was a yes man who indulged the people around him. You don't believe me just read the Tim Graham story about Berchtold cornering him for Doug Marrone.

Yes cause your way has been working so well for 17 years. Do you have a string of "7-9 but at least we're not 3-13" pennants up in your living room? Do we get a special "not as bad as the other guys" trophy? Everyone rips on the Browns, but they are racking up draft picks and actually putting themselves in a position to find their QB of the future. The sad thing is we're not even "close" to a championship in any way, we are "close" to qualifying for a wildcard loss. You need a clutch QB to win in this league now, they do not need to be prolific and pass for a million yards a season, but they need to have that spark that can consistently move a team down the field when down in the fourth quarter of a winnable game, we don't have that and I don't see it readily available in free agency. So either stick with TT and draft someone soon, or play the young guys and see if they can do better. You bring in an old guy it better be as a backup cause nick Foles isn't winning a Super Bowl.

The real question is will he come to the media with sandwiches?

The point being that we either use Tyrod for that purpose or just start Cardale, whom evidently everyone thinks needs to sit on the bench for 15 years before he's "ready" to play. There is no logic behind trading for Foles or some other mid-level guy to come in and be a caretaker. We have a QB who has been on an NFL roster for a year; if you don't believe in TT then start Cardale and get ready to draft a rd 1 QB this year or next.

Can we please stop with the illogical "we should trade for: x,y, z player cause they are mediocre and cheaper than Tyrod" foolishness. Bridge players are worthless, they are just good enough to get you 5-7 wins and keep you out of a top 5 pick and nowhere near good enough to get this team to a championship. If you don't believe TT can be "the guy", draft someone else to be "the guy" this year or next and play the rookie if we take one or Cardale this year if we wait til next year to draft one, he will either sink or swim and we will know what we have. I'm tired of all these half measures.

Klein would be better because he knows the scheme and can help the people around him learn it. It's always a good idea to bring some guys over from your old system to help implement it. He's also probably cheaper than Brown.

Can you guarantee this? Or are you just talking out of a place of ignorance?

i pray we dont waste pick on a QB this year. None of them are any good

what a bunch of worthless garbage. this man gets paid to guess and can't break a story to save his life. nice con

Since Whaley became GM has traded up in the draft, but he has not traded back a single time.

Give this man all the points. Spot on