Ed_Formerly_of_Roch
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6 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
I hear you.
I guess my point is that unlike some other positions, you can actually find diamonds in the rough at EDGE in the draft more than people think. There are some other positions where it’s a lot harder and you almost have to use a top-10 pick (like QB and maybe CB), but I think DE is becoming more amenable to later round talent.
Guys like Crosby and Hendrickson are good examples, because scouts saw their potential, but they were a little raw and were from small schools and so were drafted a little lower. (I actually think Solomon could fit that same mould, and may end up being a real stud).
Agree on Solomon, he could make decent jump this year.. Sure you can find a diamond in the rough, but expecting him to have even 4 sacks as a rookie is expecting alot. Bruce Smith only had 6 sacks his first year. This isn't in any way a knock on Beane, but assuming that diamond is out there, what makes you think the other 29 guys picking prior aren't going to find him first?
There's alot of posters saying we should sign Cooper Kupp or some other WR or we should have traded for Metcaff, to me that would be a waste of money. Normally I'm not one to take a big risk but if they could improve the pass rush significantly for 2025, could mean a SB, where as the odds of a rookie in 2025 making even close to a difference is much lower IMO. For those reasons I'd go for. I doubt it will happen, but you never know. No one expected Miller signing either.
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2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
Hendrickson was a 3rd round pick. Watt was a very late 1st round pick. Maxx. Crosby was a 4th round pick. Chris Jones was a 2nd round pick.its not like picking a QB. You don’t have to strike gold. You can get elite pass rushers in the draft. Just have to pick better.
just too risky for me to pay an elite pass rusher a ton of money.
So if you were a GM would you have waited till round 4 to select Crosby if you knew he was going to be that good, or round 3 for Hendrickson, or let Tom Brady go to round 6? If your argument is that Beane needs to pick better and get that guy, then that tells me right there that all 32 GM's were all clueless as they passed on these guys and could have easily gone to another team. To expect Beane to be that much smarter than 32 other guys in the room is totally unrealistic. What it does tell me that these guys got lucky and so could Beane, but then you're betting 100% on luck.
I don't disagree with it being very risky to pay some elite pass rusher a ton of money, but to expect the Bills to select that elite guy when 29 other GM's had a chance prior it telling me you're putting everything on pure luck.
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3 hours ago, Low Positive said:
Two things can be true:
- Mike Brown never had any intention of trading him, so he set the bar where it knew it would never be met.
- Hendrickson is probably worth a first.
Why is Hendrickson only worth a second, but Myles Garrett would have fetched multiple firsts? I know Garrett is the better player but, at least based on production over the past 5 seasons, the gap is not that big. I think people, including NFL GMs, still take draft positioning into account when assessing value.
Both are pure speculation at this point as Garrett signed. I do feel that in the NFL players are often traded for much less than initially thought mainly because NFL GM's value draft picks more than their own children and try like hell to not give them up as compared to the NBA where they hand them out like candy.
Also think after Monday, teams have spent much of their available cash so likely what the Bengals wand and what they now can get goes down.
3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:Be careful what you wish for. Browns and Steelers fans hate how much cap space is tied up in guys like Garrett and watt. That same thought is why the bengals are trading Hendrickson.
Tying up so much money in 1 defensive player is not a great way to build your team. If we want an elite pass rusher, have to hit a home run in the draft.OK, but then in 4 years Bills are in the same boat or let him walk and hope to strike gold again. Like a report I read last week stated. For a player like Groot, picked 30th, he's about what you'd likely get talent wise. It's dumb luck to get that elite guy at #30 as means 29 other GM's were all to dumb to pick him and/or we just got lucky. To expect to get that guy isn't that likely this year either even is a deep class.
Also think it's a bit different when arguably the Bills very well may be having an elite pass rush away from winning the SB. If I were a team like Saints, Raiders, Carolina, I wouldn't bother going after him as by the time you get rest of roster fixed, Hendrickson may be over the hill. Add to that even if the did somehow draft that elite guy who turns out to be even better than Bruce Smith, the likelihood of that happening in year 1 or 2 is very low. It took Smith until around his 3rd year to be considered great. Recall early on he was not all that good against the run.
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22 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:
I’ll begin by saying I like what Beane has done so far to improve the D line with the draft still to go. On paper this line should be more effective at stopping the run, but it seems about the same in rushing the QB with upside if Bosa remains healthy.
Here is how things stand
DE - Groot, AJE, Solomon, Bosa, Hoecht (DT/LB)
DT - Oliver, Jones, Carter, Ogunjobi, Lodge
Ogunjobi is an upgrade on Austin Johnson, Bosa is an upgrade on AJE and Miller when healthy and Hoecht fills the utility role held by Smoot last season. My biggest concern with Bosa, besides his health, is whether McD will again push Groot to the right side to accommodate Bosa like they did with Miller. This is not the highest and best use of Rousseau’s talent IMHO.The best part of the Bosa signing is that he is a 3 down player and he hopefully send AJE to the bench or off the team. I am not a fan. The Bills can save a decent amount in cap if they release him and the truth is he is mediocre against the run and his pressure rate was terrible last season. I’d much rather Bosa rotate with Solomon, Hoecht and whomever they draft. My hope is a good edge rusher falls to the Bills at 30. That player then has a good camp earning PT above AJE and the tackling challenged Solomon.
I am looking forward to watching DTs Oliver, Jones, Carter and Ogunjobi play the interior this season. I believe Ogunjobi can challenge Jones for the starting job. With Ogunjobi and Carter on one year deals at this point, finding a DT early in this draft is also still an imperative.
The ultimate question is has Beane done enough to improve our defense against the run and our pass rush?I'm thinking they may draft a true nose tackle type like that kid think he played for Michigan?? Could see him starting as rookie, but on likely passing passing plays Ogunjobi comes in for him so have Groot, Oliver, Ogunjobi, and Bosa rushing the passer.
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2 hours ago, jkeerie said:
Word is Cincy wants a 1st plus for Hendrickson. Not worth it at his age. I'd rather use that 1st on either a space pig DT or a CB.
Before the start of free agency easier to ask for more. Now most teams have cashed in, little money left to pay anyone, less interest so teams selling usually end up taking less.
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3 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:
I can already taste the Lombardi
What's it taste like, chicken or fish?
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2 hours ago, DJB said:
Bosa can play both sides so this shouldn’t be an issue
Yeah I've read that too, that he's better from the left, but can play right side pretty well also.
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1 hour ago, Beast said:
The Bills ate going to clearly target CB’s in the first and second day of the draft.
I've always felt if you're going to start a rookie, CB is probably one of the easiest positions to play a rookie so I'd be OK with having a rookie start opposite Benford.
I assume Douglas hasn't yet signed with anyone? If so could still see him back here on lower priced deal
1 hour ago, Dunkirk Donski said:Dude's not even 26 yet. Lost his starting job due to injury. great pickup
So that must make him about 5 years older than Edmunds!
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19 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
But what if I am right though?
Anyway, I get what you are saying and respect it, just sharing my thoughts on the guy. It's my gut. I may be wrong though, and hope I am!
You could very well be correct. I've often said particularly about QB's you could predict every single one of them would be a bust including Josh Allen and Tom Brady and you'd be correct more than you'd be wrong. as the success rate is not that high.
But also see too often posters here giving up on players way too soon. Or there where things going on b4ehind the scenes. Like this year with Kincaid, posters were labeling him a bust, then hear after the season he was playing on a partial torn PCL
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15 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
I'm actually shocked the Steelers didn't grab him for depth. Great PR move, local kid and knows Tomlin well.
I'm ok bringing him back and hopefully it's as depth. But he does have a lot of experience for a guy his age and doesn't prevent the Bills from still going safety at some point in the first two days of the draft if the value is there.
That was my guess to the Steelers would have grabbed him.
I'm fine with him for depth as he knows the defense.
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2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
yeah I dunno. I don't see it. But hope I am wrong! He flashed a couple of times, but not much more than that so far!
I was the biggest Spencer Brown supporter there is. I also supported Bernard early on and thought he flashed in that Jets game. I think Bass is terrible. I think we can all have our takes and that's the beauty of freedom!
Sure, but when you call a guy a bust after he played maybe halfa rookie season before getting hurt, it significantly lowers a persons creditability.
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20 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
I already see Carter as a sunk cost and massive draft blunder. You have to upgrade that defensive line any way you can.
You probably said the same thing about Brown and Knox and posted that Bass needed to be cut after his 5th game too. If you keep saying it about enough players, statistically looking at NFL careers, you'd probably be correct over half the time!
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Think of all position CB is the easiest for a rookie to come in and start, so could see them drafting a rookie high and still signing a rotational type CB now. Also think they will take a DT high in draft too. Likely maybe a WR in 4th or 5th, or they may still sign another role player.
I'm fine with signing Palmer. The bills don't need a Chase, or even a Metcalf when you have a Josh Allen at QB. He makes the other players look much better. The team was overall la top 10 passing offense last year, adding Palmer will help and a healthy Coleman and Kincaid. Both also have a year under their belt also helps.
Bosa is overall low risk at $12 mil for 1 year so ok there.
Haven't seen a list of what Bills FA have signed elsewhere. I know Johnson, and Gilliam did resign here. Hollins went to NE, but haven't read about any one else like Douglas, Hamlin, Miller, or Morris.
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4 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:
Contracts for FA from other teams can’t be signed until league year starts at 4pm today.
edit. I am wrong. He was released so he can sign.
And he doesn't hurt us for comp picks. On the other hand, if he has a decent season, but signs elsewhere next year, we'd be in line for a pick in 2027
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5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
That's definitely a useful data point. The availability is not a small cocern though, and neither is the ability to do something after you win the pass rush.
How much did you watch him last year? Watch this clip of the highlights from the wild card game and pay attention to his speed once he breaks through the line. The guy just doesn't have a gear to make a play back there. Maybe If we had Trey Hendrickson on the other side, his job could be to push pressure into him, but we don't. Rousseau isn't that guy, and neither is Oliver.
https://www.houstontexans.com/video/chargers-vs-texans-highlights-wild-card-weekendPutting Bosa on the field at same time makes both of them better. Groot got 8 sacks with little help elsewhere. They also signed that other guy Hoechet, call him the Hoe for short who also could be used as a pass rusher mainly.
4 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:I'm pretty sure you can't have more than 100% of something.
And the fan consensus over here was that we drafted the wrong Josh.
And we should have cut Brown, huge mistake to resign him. Knox was a bust, Bass needed to be cut after his first 5 games as a rookie. it's a long list of posters here being totally wrong.
Admittedly there's risk in this pick due to his health, but it's only one year and $12 mil so worth the chance. He's also likely not going to be asked to play a high snap count so that will help too. They may have been one reason he signed here as knew that was the case and that appealed to him.
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1 hour ago, ganesh said:
Not to forget - we could be on one of the Thanksgiving triple header too
Well we don't play Dallas or Detroit, so that narrows it down to night game that day. Do also have the Black Friday game too now.
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1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:
Morris and Hollins definitely. I couldn't care less about them leaving. Ty Johnson is an exceptional third down back though.
Yeah I was hoping they'd have brought Johnson and Hollins back and it still could happen as far as I know he hasn't signed yet with anyone??
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28 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
Ty Johnson re-signing odds certainly didn't go up.
Kind of thinking the Bills feel guys like Johnson, Morris, and Hollins will be replaced by low cost players who've been in the system. Gore replaces Johnson, Davidson replaces Morris, and Virgil/Shavers replaces Hollins. When you're up against the cap, these are the moves you need to make.
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14 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:
Looks like Rodgers is going to sign with the Steelers
Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin seems like a marriage made in heaven!!
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Read an interesting comment about him today on a post listing a couple sentence bio on every pending NFL FA. For Hollins it said why has he been on 5 different teams, Maybe it’s because coordinators get frustrated when he doesn’t run the route as diagrammed.
Never heard that comment directly this past year, but could be true and maybe why less interest to resign him than most of us expected. Don't think Allen minds that, but can see where the coaches may not be happy with it.
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I think if Trubisky were to be cut it would have happened prior to today both to help the Bills cap wise and also to give him the chance to hookup with another team. At this point would be very surprised to see him cut.
They also have a 4th QB believe his name is Buschle, I know his wife seems to be the "class mom" for the team, always organizing things for the other wives. I do think unless White clearly our performs Buschle, could see him getting cut.
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27 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Feels like a decent signing. That’s a big number for him but he can hopefully help stretch the field. He has averaged over 15 YPC each of the last 2 years.
Every year it's the same thing, the number comes out, then 3 days later when the details are released usually easily reduced.
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So do wonder, prior to noon today, how many deals are already sort of worked out. Does Beane already know who will be announced to day going to sign in Buffalo and have 98% of the $$'s worked out??
I'm thinking it's not Beane talking to anyone direct, but Beane talks to someone who talks to an agent who contacts the players agent. This way no charges of tampering can arise, plus all the teams likely do the same so nobody will report anyone else.
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So guessing at this point both Johnson and Hollins have been given offers from the Bills, but they want more. They are likely in the category of if you can't get what you want elsewhere, call me before you sign anything. Maybe we can still work it out.
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Laviska Shenault to the Bills
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Agree, why can't we sign guys named Smith or Jones, or Adams, something easy to spell. It's taken me 3 years to figure out how to spell Shakir! Not this guy and the DT we signed, forget it!