Ed_Formerly_of_Roch
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12 minutes ago, transient said:
Coleman put up 550+ yds and 4 TDs on 29 receptions, averaging 19 yds per rec, which is significantly statistically better than anything Moore has done since his rookie season even with the drop off after the wrist injury. Samuel was injured but came on at the end of the season. With Carolina he was averaging 11.5+ yds per rec and ~5 TDs a season, which is better than anything Moore has done, with his most productive seasons being with Kyle Allen and Teddy Bridgewater, so you can’t say it was because of stellar QB play. His 2020 season with Brady as OC is also more productive from a yds perspective than anyone else in the Bills current receiver room. I hope the people that are so high on Moore are right, but there’s nothing in his pro career so far that suggests to me that he will be anything more than our WR5.
Think it's more a case that many of the posters here who's expert evaluation skills can tell after one injury filled season that Coleman is a bust, much faster than any coaches or front office folks can figure it out.
I do think one advantage Moore will have over Cooper last year is that he's here already, through all of mini camps, training camp, and pre-season. During the season it's hard to get much real practice time. Wasn't there also something that right after Cooper signed, Allen got dinged up and was barely participating in throwing during the week. Thought I recalled reading that up till around Dec 1st Cooper and Allen only had like maybe 2 practice sessions together. Or am I thinking of a guy they signed mid season the year or two prior?
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30 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:
I don't think Van Miller, or any play by play voice was part of the round table. I think they were saving their voice for actual game calling. I think Murphy participated, but only when he was colour commentary for Miller. Carucci participated both as a [BN] sportswriter, and for the period when he went to NFL.com. Jerry Sullivan might have participated for a season, I cannot recall clearly. Howard Simon I think I remember at least on a few broadcasts. There was the ability and practice to rotate notable sportswriters and broadcast personalities through the discussions. I think a writer for the Rochester D&C also participated. It was probably the best informed hour of Bills sports talk around. And no pesky callers! 😁
That's right it was Sal M from the D&C. Think I do recall Sully too.
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1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:
Also a time when Felser, Carucci, and other notable sportswriters and broadcasters graced the 'roundtable' show pregame. Insightful commentary regarding the upcoming game and news from around the NFL.
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It was also fun listening to the Monday evening radio show with Murphy and Felser. You could hear Felser's ire rising when Stan from Cheektowaga would call in to belittle Wade Phillips for not wearing a headset. 🤣I remember the round table with Felser and Carucci. There were two others, that were also good. Was one also Van Miller? Did enjoy and missed it when it ended.
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4 hours ago, Motorin' said:
I admit, he's the pick I'm most excited about in terms of upside.
I think he's going to make Epenesa trade bait at some point this summer.
Or fall when the 6 game suspension ends for the other two.
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43 year career, wonder if they will replace him or just go with the 3 remaining.
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2 hours ago, In Summary said:
It's interesting that the modern Bills backup QB seems like a barely viable option to actually play. Maybe it's because Allen is just so stupid good, but the Kelly to Reich drop-off didn't seem so severe.
You got to remember there was no free agency back then so was more worthwhile for a team to draft a decent backup and hang on to him as he couldn't go anywhere. If the Bills drafted someone decent, lets say Sanders, he's hardly going to play and once his contract is up, he's going to bolt for the chance to play elsewhere. Practice time, pre-season, training camp were all longer back then too so the backup had time to actually play and develop. Read someplace that the backup gets about 6 snaps per week with the 1st team so how's a low drafted rookie ever going to get any good on a team like Buffalo? The 3rd string running the scout team has more opportunities.
Available QB's are ither going to go to a team where the starter is on shaky ground so they know a couple bad weeks and that guy will be benched and I'll get my shot. Or you have a guy like Mitch who's been around the block a couple times and has come to realization, his destiny is to be a backup. Darnold is maybe an exception, but lets see how this year plays out first too.
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4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:
Offensive coordinators are the key ingredient with seemingly lesser talent. Josh just does Josh.
True,, but still need to QB who can make the throws.
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25 minutes ago, HOUSE said:
I still want more wide receivers
For what to pay them some amount of signing bonus so they can be cut the end of August. Barring an injury the five listed below are all on the team. Add in two TE's who even though Kincaid didn't live up to expectations last year are still threats that need too be taken seriously and need to be game planned for. Also have RB's that can catch passes and can run the ball behind a very effective O-line.
Teams with star QB's don't need star WR's as they QB can make the WR look much better than they really are.
23 minutes ago, Logic said:Coleman
PalmerShakir
Samuel
Moore
Shenault
Prather
Shavers
I think that's a reasonably well rounded, diverse top five, with the bottom three guys battling it out for an end-of-roster and special teams spot. Short of having a legitimate WR1, I like the group.
If Coleman looks like the guy he was in the first half of last season and Samuel looks like the guy he was in the final few weeks, it could be a very respectable group indeed.
Don't make me say it, but....okay okay, I'll say it...
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On 4/26/2025 at 8:06 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:
I see AJ is traded, Shenault isn't needed as codrington is our return guy. Give the 7th round WR with speed a chance.
Good work overall though
One of the two isn't needed. Right now with not many WR's on the roster and a glut at CB think a better chance they keep Shenault, but if an experienced vet is signed at WR, could see it going the other way too.
AJ may may initial 53 then week 6 when suspensions end, he gets traded, or maybe a suspended guy gets traded at that point, though hard to imagine a team trading for someone who just came off a 6 week suspension. Think AJ's future comes down to what they do with the two suspened players, could see one getting cut in Augest too likelt then AJ is safe..
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The one thing that surprised me a bit as we didn't take anyone, looking at the roster, the position group that to me is the thinnest is LB
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In 2013 the Bills were a bad team so much easier path for a rookie to look good. The only player that will even likely see the field enough to have a chance to win award is Hairston
Barring injuries the odds are likely higher that Jackson won't even be active the first few weeks of the season than he wins RofY
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7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Dolac got screwed over by the combine and senior showcase bowls. We'll see who was right when camps start.
32 teams all passed on him. So he likely signed with a team that he felt had spots on the roster open for him. I'd imagine most players drafted in late rounds 6 and 7 wish they weren't drafted so they could sign with whatever team they have a better shot at making.
What are we going to see when camp opens, that he showed up? Maybe in about 3 years we'll see who was right.
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54 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
If Dolac doesn't fit the Bills then neither does Matt Milano.
Except Milano was actually drafted in the 5th round. Every team in the league passed on Dolac could just mean he's not that good.
If the Bills had signed him would have been a nice feel good story, but it ends there. The team is signing who they view as the best players, not listening to what emotional fans think.
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1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:
No. I always heard you must become eligible for the draft to sign int he NFL out of college.
That's why this board is filled with supposed experts as everyone here was draft eligible.
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1 hour ago, SCBills said:
Have to think Daquan Jones could be a cut candidate if they want some money this summer.If not, Walker/Jones is your 1T rotation, with Oliver/Sanders at 3T. Ogunjobi can play both when he comes back.
Carter becomes the wait and see guy. Already discussing moving him to 1T, so he better come correct this camp.
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Looking at t heir roster including the two suspended players, they have 12 D lineman likely to make the roster. Usually they will keep 9 or 10 on the roster. The two being suspended may save Jones or someone may need to slip on a banana peel during training camp to create a spot.
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4 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:
I may be a little biased since I've actually watched all 3 players in college and all 3 made a positive impression on me. That said they all fit our needs, are guys the Bills have been monitoring all offseason and our guys you can project as future starters.
Hairston brings speed that our secondary is sorely lacking and I can see him winning a starting job in camp. He is also a ball hawk. Sanders has the ability to backup both Jones and Oliver and brings real pass rushing ability from the middle. It will be interesting to watch how they deploy Carter and Sanders. We can't forget that Carter is 6-3 305 and can play the one as well. Lastly Landon Jackson is just a sound football player. I think he is a better version of AJE.
Article in the Athletic the other day talks about how Carter may likely end up playing a lot of 1T
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17 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
For more perspective on the rankings discussion from the other thread, a lot of folks had Jackson mocked/ranked as a late-1st/2nd round pick and we got him in the 3rd. So what do these folks really know?
That' what's funny. So this thread is generally full of praise and how we got a guy that should have been picked higher. But the thread on our 2nd round pick has about 90% of the responses ripping the pick and the trade how we gave up too much, this guy would have went much lower, etc.
All these arm chair GM's must be right about this as it can't be that actual full time GM's have a better sense on when and where in the draft players will actually get selected.
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Kind of wonder did Deion ruin his kid? Did his kid really need a HC who would have told him, you're not good enough to play QB in the NFL. But maybe you could make it as a DB or WR. But with daddy as the coach he lets him play QB and it just ruined him. Recall Jim Kelly wanted to go to Penn State, Papa Joe said love to have you but to play LB. Now in that case Papa Joe was wrong, but if it was Papa Je's kid, maybe he'd have let him have his way.
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1 hour ago, Dunkirk Donski said:
The supposed tackling issues are a farce and based on two games played post shoulder injury.
Don't recall this, just read it in an article today that apparently one of the knocks on Tre White was also poor tackling. He turned out pretty well in that area.
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Recall too how in the first half the Dolphins ran the ball a lot and well, but once the game got close and Bills took lead, all Marino started doing was throwing and they went downhill from there. The game at that point was still close enough that they could have still ran quite a bit too. That was why I was never too keen on Marino as he tended to try and play hero ball too often.
PS The fact that this post started last Friday and is still on first page tells me the number of posters here today that were around and followed the team that long ago, 33 years, must not be very big!
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Don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but here's the value for the Bills picks. Some other source may have slightly different values, but probably overall when looking at potential trades, things won't change all that much.
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15 hours ago, transient said:
Without looking in too much depth, what these numbers say to me is that with more than twice as many top 50 picks (9 to the Bills 4, which is a marker of NE sucking and drafting in the top half of the league in all but 1 of the 5 drafts) they managed to get 1 more pro-bowl (a truly pointless award nowadays) but fewer starting seasons (despite being a less talented roster over that timeframe). Seems like worse stats to me.
OK so it's actually Top 50 picks. I was thinking it meant players who ended up being top 50 players afterwards a couple years down the road. Duh!!
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What was hard to figure out how they came up with the rankings as overall NE was ranked #30 with an overall score of 5.58, 9 top 50 picks, 2 pro bowls, and 29 starting seasons. Basically better stats, but yet overall rank was so much lower.
Having said that, I'll be the first to admit NE's draft record the past ten year years or so has been terrible, but hard to see why NE is so much lower when you just look at that numbers the article lists. There were a couple other teams where I also saw similar numbers, Vikes Jaquars, even the Giants
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On 4/17/2025 at 4:17 PM, FireChans said:
I'm not sure how much of you fine folks consume NFL media, but there was a very funny story last year about how Howie Roseman and the Eagles just follow the consensus draft boards, which makes their drafting look great to the people that make those draft boards.
Now who knows if that's really true (it's probably not).
But I think it would be fun to analyze the past Bills drafts based on consensus boards and see who we "should" have taken vs who we did (I'm only doing the first 3 rounds because its exhausting)
So let's begin
2024:
#33: Coleman - Big Board (BB):Cooper DeJean DB
#60: Bishop - BB: Ennis Rakestraw JR DB
#95: Carter- BB: Troy Franklin WR
2023:
#25: Kincaid - BB: Nolan Smith Jr, EDGE
#59: OCT- BB: OCT!
#91: Dorian Williams - BB: Antonio Johnson, DB
2022:
#23: Elam - BB: Jermaine Johnson, EDGE
#63: Cook - BB: Nakobe Dean, ILB
#89: Bernard - BB: Perrion Winfrey, DL
2021:
#30: Rousseau - BB: JOK, ILB
#61: Boogie Basham - BB: Creed Humphrey, IOL
#93: Spencer Brown - BB: Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB
What does this tell us?
I don't know tbh. I like both lists about the same. Sorry to waste your time but discuss!
So how do we know the Bills wouldn't have followed the BB if every pick prior to them also followed the BB? Maybe players were already gone or someone expected to be gone was still there so there was a deviation?
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Mark Gaughan from Buff News Retiring
in The Stadium Wall
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Yes the show was very enjoyable. Missed it when it ended.