Ed_Formerly_of_Roch
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Wish I had seen this in time, I'd have RSVP'd that I was coming!
There's a number of things left on the registry if anyone is interested.
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I wonder if real or a contract negotiation tactic??
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21 minutes ago, papazoid said:
i dont buy into the rule you downgrade next years pick
is next years #1 worth less than this years #1 ? (only if some generational QB was avail in either)
is next years #28 overall worth less than this years #28 ?.....i say no, they are equal
Whether you buy it or not doesn't matter, it's what the front office believe in and I've read more than once that is how they view it.
Yes next years #28 is worth just as much as this years. But the reason they downgrade a round is because you have no idea why pick you're really getting. Houston got this year 11th pick in the 2nd round from Vikes, next year it could be a top 5 or it could be #20. So for that reason is why it's downgraded. You also have no idea how the value of the draft will be the following year, it could be better,or it could be worse.
Maybe a full round is too steep a discount, but there has to be a haircut of some value taken for the unknown of what you're actually getting
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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I think Micah is done but I'd still take him back cheap for a year based on what it looks like we might be starting at safety eeek!
The fact that so far nothing has happened does make me wonder a bit if either he told his agent not to shop him as is leaning towards retiring or did the Bills give him a number and he's looking around to see if he can do better elsewhere, if not will be back? That was more typical of how things went in prior years, a couple weeks after FA started, the player came back and signed once he found he couldn't do any better.
I see post too about Packers interested, could be he does sign there as played there prior, though doubt many from the team he played on is still there or trying to drive Bills to increase contact??
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34 minutes ago, Process said:
That seems like bad value for Houston, no? What do the charts say? Go from 23 to 42 for basically just a second round pick next year
I come up with Texans giving up 780 and gets back about 680 points assuming using the "rule" that you downgrade a pick in following year by one round level and I assumed Viking finish next year around middle of draft. If you don't downgrade a round, then Vikes gave up almost 900 points, so putting it in the middle of those two scenarios says it's about even??
So adding to that, they could now trade their 11th and 23rd to move up to #4. Looks like they don't have a 3rd rounder so can't get much higher unless they make another trade to get a pick(s)
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10 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:
They still got a number of guys back … and may not be finished yet re-signing peopleObviously this is the tightest year for Beane to date…and most of the other teams got a late “windfall “ with the increased cap…so there is more money to throw around this year …
Maybe previously loyal guys that have been here a while like Dodson and Jackson get given a “ depth” number that could be a fallback if they don’t get another gig… but both of them got starter money elsewhere … Maybe Neal just got more money from Miami..
No doubt one year only guys like Sherfield and Poona Ford only get “good luck “ on their way out the door …
All true. Seems like they brought back more of the guys with expired contracts more quickly too than in prior years. Makes me wonder if Beane had more a hard list this year. These are the guys we want, and told the others more straight up, you're not in our plans so they quickly moved on??
The one name out there that fits priors years mold is Hyde. Does make me wonder a bit if either he told his agent not to shop him as is leaning towards retiring or did the Bills give him a number and he's looking around to see if he can do better elsewhere, if not will be back? That was more typical of how things went in prior years, a couple weeks after FA started, the player came back and signed.
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Do find one thing interesting as more of the Bills FA are signing with other teams. In past years, seemed like many hoped for a big pay day someplace else, but in the end signed back in Buffalo.
Makes me wonder if other years, Beane would tell these guys we're interested in you at $XX salary so if you don't get what you want elsewhere, get back to me. This year did he tell more of them, sorry you're just not in our plans.
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2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:
Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.
Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
Deal with it.
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but do agree with this to a point. Don't think it's the 6th round, but do feel there are higher priorities than WR at this point. There's only one ball to go around and only 11 players on the field. If we were playing fantasy football then the more weapons the better. Put another star WR out there, just means less catches for Diggs or Kincaid , or someone else.
I'd go DL in 1st, then CB and WR in some order, after that followed by center. Not sure if the Bills will sign Douglas next year to extension as may feel rather extend Benford and then have a 2nd year CB on other side.
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2 hours ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:
If Nabers is there I think a team with a ton of holes that need more picks like the Giants or Bears would make the deal with us.
For #6 could probably go:
2024 R1 (#28)
2024 R4 (#128)
2024 R5 (#144)
2024 R6 (#189)
2025 R1 (TBD)
2025 R3 (TBD)
2025 R4 (TBD)
Less obviously if it's for #9.
That leaves us with minimum 7 picks remaining this year (remember only 3 of our picks last year made the roster plus Shorter on "IR") plus 6 picks next year when our comp picks hit. And Josh gets a Ferrari on a rookie deal for the next five years. Everyone wins.
Yes only 3 plus Shorter made it, but the team only had 6 picks. Plus all the top picks made the team. Now you're leaving us with only a #1 and #2 this year and a #2 next year in the first 4 rounds, the rounds that most of the best players are chosen. Actually they'd have one extra pick left at the bottom of the 4th. Add to that the Bills have more roster holes this year than last to fill.
1 hour ago, PBF81 said:That'd be very risky however. Trading out 28th and 60th for a single WR. That would essentially relegate our draft after that to a bunch of day-3 picks.
There should be a decent WR, perhaps one that in other years would have gone earlier, availalble at 28th. Then keep our 60th for an OT or C.
Someone here suggested Zach Frazier from WVU at C. He seems as if he'd be a great pick at 60th in a spot of need. C/G.
Not sure how we don't focus on the offense in rounds 1/2.
Agree I'd rather see them trade down to maybe around 35 and pick up a late 3rd or early 4th..
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27 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Somewhere between picks 4-8 Roger walks up to the microphone and announces: We have a trade. Buffalo has traded (a small boatload of picks) to (team to be named) and is now on the clock. And we get one of the top 3 rated WRs in the draft.
Beane and McD have said they need to get more explosive. And they’ll do that by getting more explosive with their moves to draft an explosive WR for Josh.
And then you wake up from your dream!!
If the Bills traded every pick they have this year, they wouldn't get even close to the #8 pick. If they added in next years 2nd round they may get close to #8 along with every other pick this year.
The Bills can trade a boatload of their draft picks to move up from the 5th to maybe the top half of the 4th.
Maybe you should some research before posting.
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15 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
Yeah, people who get worked up about that are hard to understand.
Considering the thread's title, I think he was being sarcastic.
I could be wrong.
Yeah wasn't sure about that either. But there certainly were many ripping Beane for letting him go so just as easily could have been serious too??
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8 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:
They re-signed Johnson today and Jackson has signed elsewhere. I think the Lewis and Hollins signings make it very unlikely Neal returns, but you never know. I didn't think Beane would find a way to get Jones & Epenesa back, but he did.
Updated Roster:
Offense 17 of 23 players (roster allocation to the position from 2023 in (x)).
QB (2) - current 2: Allen & Trubisky
RB/FB (4) - current 3: Cook, Johnson & Gilliam
TE (3) - current 3: Kincaid, Knox, Morris
WR (5) - current 4: Diggs, Shakir, Hollins & Shorter (Hamler & Isabella in the mix)
Oline (9) - current 7: Brown, Dawkins, McGovern, Torrence, Edwards, Anderson & Van Denmark (Doyle still in the mix)
Defense 18 of 25 players
Dline (10) - Current 6 - Jones, Oliver, Rousseau, Miller, Jonathan, & Epenesa (Cline and Ankou also in the mix)
LBs (5) - current 5 - Milano, Benard, Williams, Morrow, & Spector
CB (6) - current 4 - Johnson, Douglas, Benford, & Elam
S (4) - Current 3 - Rapp, Hamlin, & Lewis (CB)
Specialists 4 of 3 slots - Bass (PK), Ferguson (LS), Martin (P) & Haack (P) - one of Haack or Martin aren't going to make the team.
Looks like there are 11 jobs still available - 1 RB, 1 (maybe 2) WR, 2 OL, 4 DL, 2 CB & 1 S. My guess is 6-7 of these jobs will go to draft picks (WR, S, CB, OL, RB, 2DL?). I'm happy about Ty Johnson coming back.
It looks like we are down to only 2 starting jobs available - WR2 and S. Safety looks like the worst group position on the team with Rapp as a starter and Lewis and Hamlin as the depth.
I had wrote my post early Wednesday, since then Neal & Jackson both signed think was in Miami and Carolina respectively.
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5 minutes ago, mrags said:
Pretty sure we’re talking about the same Kirk Cousins here. He’s nothing special. They’ll be just fine
Yeah the same Kirk Cousins who signed a 4 year $180 mil contract. I guess I must have missed when Rosen and Zach Wilson signed similar deals.
While I agree Cousins isn't anything special he's still light years better than guys like Zack Wilson, Mack Jones or Josh Rosen and drafting a new QB leaving you with a good chance of getting someone just like them and then a team that in another 3 years will be drafting his replacement.
So the Vikes would be just fine with JJ and Zach Wilson at QB?
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I'd be fine with taking the guy but not trading up to do it. IMO the Bills need to draft a WR, interior lineman, DT, and Safety all fairly high to assure they work out. Trading up makes that really hard to do without having a 3rd to start with. I'm more in favor of seeing them trade down from 28 to maybe the top of the 2nd and pick up a 3rd in the process.
I'm fine too with bundling all those 5th and 6th rounds together into 1 or maybe 2 more 4th rounders. You can get lucky and draft one in the 6th round who may become an all pro, but usually takes more time and the odds aren't good.
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25 minutes ago, mrags said:
He’s the best WR in football. I’m pretty sure they’ll do alright. Along with just about any QB they find that will likely be just as good as Cousins.
so Zack Wilson, Mack Jones,or Josh Rosen are as good as Cousins?? You said they should raft a rookie QB instead, not me. This was your plan! So pairing JJ with Zack Wilson, or Mack Jones or Josh Rosen would have resulted in just as good of results you're saying?? Interesting!
Your idea is great as long as they draft another Josh Allen or Joe Burrow, but the problem is for every Allen and Burrow, there are about 5 Zak Wilsons drafted.
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3 hours ago, DJB said:
I love Diggs he’s been fantastic for us. But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a little bitter about how we essentially traded the best WR in the NFL who is considerably younger than Diggs as well.
The thought of Josh with an elite young WR is so tantalizing.
But I’m no longer bitter . Why? Because Jefferson wants more than $30 million per year . That’s insane money and he’s not 10+ million dollars worth more than Stef.
So how do you know they would have picked Jefferson? In hindsight it's great, but for all we know, whomever they picked, could have been a flop
3 hours ago, mrags said:Yup. They’ll draft a young QB on a rookie pay scale and use that money for JJ. By the time the rookie needs a new contract JJ will be on the downward slope and things will work out naturally.
And the QB could be a Zack Wilson, or Mack Jones or Josh Rosen, or a number of other flop QB's. Then you have nothing, need a new QB and a WR who wants out, but no team will trade for him based on contract you gave him.
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The fact that a guy like Simmons hasn't signed often means he's got good offers, but isn't crazy about that team, holding out hoping to make deal work in his desired location. And usually also means desired location has some level of interest too.
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1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:
Beane and McDermott are so dumb for letting him go and get poached by the Giants 🤪
So if he was so good and the Bills were so dumb, why is he being released by the Giants?
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2 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:
By my calculation we lost 2 and gained 2.
Based on what happened this year, there's much more to the formula than simply that.
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So the Bills resigned Jones, AJE, and Lewis. Of the remaining Bills FA,the ones I'd still like the team to resign are Neal, Jackson, and Johnson. I'd add a maybe to Lawson.
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26 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:
Good for Josh not to add any years to his contract.
I can see Josh bolting to California after 2026 to be with his girlfriend Hailee
In the case of someone like Allen, if his contract is paying him $56 mil next season, likely higher in 2026, would it be a bargain or at worst a wash for the Bills to just keep tagging him at least for a couple years.
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7 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:
With Harty released and now Gabe signing with the Jags, what is the strategy/approach for WR? Are we going dumpster diving in Free Agency and then hoping we hit in the draft at WR?
Our current roster is Diggs, Shakir, Sherfield and Shorter (inactive all season). Currently not scaring anyone and probably in the bottom 10 as a WR group.
Anyone else uncomfortable? That’s a lot of pressure to hit on WR that is impactful in the draft! Do we trade up?
Thoughts or perspective on Beane’s approach?
Not really.
First off you're leaving out Kincaid, he had 73 receptions this year. If he does that again in 2024, he'd be viewed as one of the top 5 or so TE's in the league. This past season he was ranked 7th. That's like having another WR out here. Knox as the #2 TE is also better than most teams can roll out and cook isn't bad either.
I read an article a couple weeks back was talking about Shakir and what he could do next season. While it wasn't implying he was as good as Beasley, the article made the point that just like about 4 years ago, the top two Bills WR were Brown and Beasley out of the slot. Point being the 2nd best WR on the team could be the slot guy. Bill's used to have a guy Andre something that was pretty good out of the slot! There wasn't a great TE on the team either 4 years ago when Beasley was at his best.
There's only one ball to go around. Say the Bills signed T Higgins who's averaged around 70 receptions a full season. He may have 70 catches for the Bills too, but doesn't mean as as team they'll be 70 more reception. Most likely means the reception totals for others will go down.
Maybe it's not a coincidence that Diggs numbers dropped around the same time that Kincaid and Shakir came on strong.
Draft a WR high and bring in a mid tier guy and there's enough guys to go around to catch all the passes Allen throws.
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On 3/10/2024 at 8:46 PM, Punching Bag said:
I have looked usual places and hearing next to nothing on players wanting to remain either offering to take salary cuts or rejecting them offered by Bills. None from spouses too.
No one is acting like this was a surprise but no leaks too.
Only Von Miller is known coming back with a cut.
I have heard nothing from any of the agents I communicate with.
I was hoping for one of Sal's charts which showing which players are gone and impact on offense, defense and special teams.
This was a large cut by Bills and they could have done it another way.
I doubt you'll hear much about the ones who were asked to take a cut, but rejected it.
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1 hour ago, Virgil said:
Interesting. I would have assumed we'd have saved more, but I guess that means we are under the cap now.
Who's left at this point? I would think only Oliver. I don't want us to touch Diggs and kick the can down the road, unless he wants to give some money back like Knox and Von (doubtful).
I'm wondering when we give him a new overall deal though. He's well worth more than his deal.
T Johnson Unless I missed it
Safety Julian Blackmon visiting Bills
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Is interesting how he's done that!