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Mcdermott is clueless how do you not challenge that i mean you have to expect that level of incompetence out of the officials but when your coach is complicit time to go

People need to be fired its not its only one game, its not its a long season its the abject incompetence im coaching and personell and drafting incompetent signings and the criminal waste of Josh Allen

No but this defense does as well as the coaching

Way worse they are an embarrassment

People need to lose their jobs

I am getting ready to start with the pitchforks on them too

And a defense that is an embarrassment to any sport that has defense played

Oh totally back to back tds here i dont think they will punt all game

This defense is an embarrassment to anyone who has ever been employed im the history of employment if Babich isn't fired at halftime that's a travesty

That's a looooooong list but I have to agree

and definately a saftey or 2...

Pretty sure Tua kept it... I would call the Dolphins.. he may give it up for a price. LOL

RIP DD, I remember my father and Uncles talking about him...

I do not at all disagree in the end I think is a combination of both at this point I lean more into Beane lots a money wrapped into mediocre defense lots of mediocre d line picks... interested to see if this draft changes anything

Yes I will and I will also get blasted by the other side that hates Beane's drafting except for Allen... and you know what, I won't disagree with either of them... because I myself just don't know if its the chicken or the egg... I don't see the massive overall talent on this team outside of Allen and a couple others... especially on the D Line... and wonder if he really isnt doing a good job with what he has... and then I see some in game decisions that are so bad its mind blowng... so, I got my fire ######ant suit on... they can flame away, its good discussion... and you are also right the salary cap era is different for sure.

This will not be a popular take... Give Saban, Knox, or even Mc D Marv's roster with all of those HOF'ers and Pro Bowlers like literally a roster that i have not seen the likes of almost ever I think those three win at least 1. Marchibroda was the mastermind of that team... and all three of those guys would have fired Walt Corey who took a defense comprised of Bruce Smith, Cornelius Bennett, Nate Odomes, Leonard Smith, Shane Conlan and Darryl Talley to dead last in the NFL...

The debate rages on the board and in my head LOL.... there are times that I am yelling at the TV fire him... he will never be good enough... then I remember the criticism of Polian and for 20 years longed for someone like him as we attempted to redefine mediocrity as a franchise... but I dont want to settle for another Marv type "well we were good and that was a fun ride"... so I wonder... does firing the coach help i dont care what we have to do to win it all.... who do you bring in... is this another 2 years of Allen's career before everyone is on the same page in hopes the next guy is better? But some of his game day decisions are horrible.. and back and forth I go... then I wonder when I look at this team is this guy really out coaching what most could do, is he the right guy for the right situation... Sometimes I wonder about the over all talent level here (there are no Reed, Thomas, Smith, Talley, Bennett, Conlan, Odomes, L Smith, Wolford, Ritcher, Hull, Lofton, Tasker talent amalgamations here to compliment Josh) .... especially on Defense... Benford is great... Bernard is B plus, Milano hasn't been available... the defensive line is a C something our overall 2ndry in the past few years has been a fire drill.... Offensive line is very good TE our average, WR are average... injuries have been exhausting,. outside of Allen and maybe Dawkins and for 1 year Cook and even going into the past with Diggs maybe a cup of coffee with a healthy Milano... who have the studs been on this team. Where are the game wreckers on defense... Is it possible that McDermott is taking this team as far as its talent will go... Is his flaw he finds weak D cords so he can run defense... Would we be the Bengals or the Cowboys or the Chargers without him? Or are we the 90's Bills with Marv and coaching is the only thing stopping us... Right now. I am putting down my pitchfork I wanna see this year... I reserve my right to pick it up at any time. Because I know this.. we are completely wasting Josh and they need to figure this out...

Kevyn Adams says: Hold my beer.... LOL...(I just couldn't resist) ok seriously, I agree 100% look at the Bills how many players say I will only go play with them, or want to come here etc... build a winner, build a respectful lockerroom and a close knit team, have competent adults in charge.... sounds like the Fins havent even checked off one of those requirements...

and the cowboys with Switzer

Too soon? LOL

I was pushing it a bit with the Jets... LOL for dramatic effect... I had a Raiders fan trying to Brag on their superbowls... I think my response was... Donna Summer called she wants her Aqua net back... LOL but you get my over all point I am sure

In the end, if you are arguing against fans of a team with multiple superbowls or even 1 superbowl... they always have the trump card... they really need to win 1... just 1... because in the end it is the only thing that matters... and it always ends up there... and quite frankly there isnt alot to say after that... I mean... even the Saints can pull one out and shut people down... the freaking Jets can... So I am happy to banter back and forth etc.. but it always comes back to winning one... I hope this is our year.

Yeah, I am not thinking that this is the pre cursor to a signing... I am thinking this was get under the cap and leave room for injury signings. Although the practice squad honestly provides some depth i am not used too...

Mine was the Raiders pre season game in 1973 I was 5 2nd game the stadium was open. And that Dolphins game in 80 is a helluva 1st game dude! Nice!

Ravens 38 Bills 31 Defense isn't ready to play, secondary is a fire drill and we force 1 punt. Josh looks great but Henry's ability to run at will chews the clock and the 3rd and long conversions with Lamar's legs, our lack of pass rush and total inability to cover will have us screaming at the TV... The game looks closer than it is. Panic will ensue... The fire Babich threads will be prevalent. Sorry guys... just where I am at...