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I think your "redo" is a realistic option and worth considering. Lambeau is a differant animal though. The "ownwers" are the Fans and the locals so naturally they will support the facility. Even when they sucked, the stadium was full! It was full of unhappy Cheeseheads, but still full
People can talk all they want about a "new" stadium but bottom line is where would the funding come from?
I'd like a new Lexus, even one with a "sticky" gas pedal, but it ain't happenin because I CAN'T AFFORD IT!
The property owners are already maxed out, and if you ask them, they're paying a whole lot of money for very little services.
The Corportate sponsors are scarce. M&T Bank put their name in Baltimore????? HSBC is already hooked up with the Sabres. JetBlue has their name up but they're likely moving their corporate HQ to Orlando, to get away from the high NY Taxes.
If you take "Stimulus Money," which seems to be a myth, we'll end up with bare bones low quality crap because so many contractors & union bosses will take their cuts before a shovel is turned anywhere.
So that brings us back to "redo" and it may be a viable option.
Sorry, Marv, I didn't see your post before I wrote mine. I could have just saved my fingers the work.
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Go the route of the Packers when they upgraded Lambeau Field. Take the existing stadium, and make it a place where people visit in the offseason. Make it a theme park / museum of sorts. A statue of Curly Lambeau and Vince Lombardi stand outside the stadium like ghosts as visitors frequent the stadium year round. The stadium tours, Packers team gear stores, restaurants, and bars in the new Field House attached to the stadium make it a place you can bring your family for a day of fun. This would increase the revenue the stadium brings in by a big number. If you want the Bills to stay in Buffalo, this may be one of the only options. And a much cheaper option than building a whole new stadium. This is what a "Lambeau Stadium Redo" might look like in Buffalo:
Thanks, GW, and I like your plan, but where is the money coming from? I am not at all trying to be sarcastic. When we fixed the stadium more than a decade ago we had to beg, BEG the State for money just to try and save our franchise and they weren't real eager for it; and those when in slightly better economic times.
We all know that when it comes to allocating money for upstate NY, Albany gets real, real anxious and clutches their purse strings tighter and tighter.
Would we have an Erie County tax? We love our Bills, but in our economy, again, not a really favorable option.
Please let me state again, I do really like your plan. I like the look and I like the vibe...I just hate the reality of our situation and the way we are viewed by the rest of the State.
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This thread is full of some win and a much, much, much needed 50 CCs injection of optimism we as Bills fans badly needed.
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The mental toughness of the FO increased by an order of magnitude.
Nix is tough, Gailey's tough. Whaley's tough. (George) Edwards is tough. Gamble is tough.
All no-nonsense kind of guys that know what a pro football player looks like, how to pick them and groom them for success.
There won't be anymore DWIs ("Doesn't Want It") in the locker room. They won't be tolerated.
Big changes already at OBD. The FO turnover is tremendously positive.
Even Chuck Lester got the boot. To do that -they must have confiscated his nekkid pictures of Ralph and the horse when he was out of the office over the holidays.
I'll agree with Thirty Year Fan: Great post.
...and a great thread.
Additionally, I am very much looking forward to stories along the lines of, "I woke last night to the sound of thunder only to realize that it was just Nix, Gailey and Whaley arguing the next football move to make the Bills tougher."
or
"Chuck Norris bows to no men...but bows to Nix, Gailey and Whaley because it's just what you do out of respect when you're in the same club."
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On a tangent here; I met Reeves randomly while in Georgia a few years ago at this well known steak place that I can't remember for the life of me.
I was surprised, dare I say stunned, at what an affable and great guy he was. Honestly, just warm, considerate, thoughtful and would you believe, funny.
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How many linemen does a team normally carry? It seems like keepers would be:
Livetre
Wood
Hangman
Bell
Butler
Meredith
Incognito
That's 7, if we add an LT that's 8. Sounds like too many...do any of these guys have trade value?
SJBF, in the recent past we've gone anywhere from 9 to 11, sometimes depending upon whether one of them is a long snapper.
...so no, I think we have room.
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I'm calling him Calder Norris Myers.
The Saving Grace to all us Buffalo sports fans but these long road trips (7 games in 14 days) are brutal on any team.
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5-11...there. There it is.
Now, are we going to be happy that we won more than 2 games or pissed that we didn't get to 8-8?
Either way, its wash-rinse and repeat as it has been for the last decade.
I envy you, b/c I utterly long for the days when this team got me excited.
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We had a heck of a defense that year. Starting DL of Bruce Smith, Ted Washington and Phil Hansen, LB's Cowart, Holocek and Rogers!
Tru-dat, Adam. Word!!
Hey, look, I'm still hip at 40!
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It sounds like Gailey is going to be a 3 (years) and out, kind of like our offense.
I was 30 when the bills last made the playoffs. I am 40 now. Holy crap, I really could be freaking dead before they ever get to the playoffs again.
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Oh, I'll renew Sunday Ticket regardless.
I love this sport and this league way too much not too.
I'll just end up doing what I did this year....flip away from the Bills games.....and I can honestly see myself over the next year or so just losing all interest in the team.
This. So very, very this.
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Look for all the negativity remember the Jets were benevolently granted a playoff birth by the Colts. Now they are on fire! If we had won New England, Jacksonville and Cleveland that could very well be Buffalo in the AFC championship game. In my estimation 7 points is all that seperates us from the Jets and remember we beat them once. Maybe Gailey isn't the best coach but his record isn't that bad. with a L.T., a couple great L.B.'s and a Q.B. I think we can make a run. Sorry to be so possitive i know that we are supposed to be all gloom and doom on this board.
We weren't Lenigmusx.
...Honest to God, we weren't.
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Never seen it analyzed, but it almost has to be less than 11 minutes. Probably far less.
But you should look the other way too. Hockey and soccer would be much more than 11 minutes. And although they are second tier sports in the US, they are not in the rest of the world. The great thing about football and baseball is they lend themselves beautifully to commercial television. Not true of either hockey or soccer.
I hear completely, CodeMonkey, but normally when I hear this come up I smell baseball purists, maybe b/c a few years ago I used to hear them bring it up on tv or radio.
Additionally, I am personally not going to be hard on football due to the extreme physical nature of the game. I think 11 minutes of 300lb men running 4.5 forties bashing people in the head is more than enough time.
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Folks,
This is a story about either sheer marketing genius on the part of the NFL, or sheer stupidity on the part of the American public. We all know that NFL games have too many commercials, but this Wall Street Journal article brings out the numbers:
Average length of time the football is in play? 11 minutes
Average commercial time? 60 minutes
Average time with NFL players milling about or in huddle? 75 minutes
Cheerleaders? 3 seconds
What is amazing is that most of us, myself included, have made this coaching search a central preoccupation of our lives. A coach for a team that plays 11 minutes (8 minutes of it on defense!) on 16 Sundays throughout the year. I think I must be crazy.
Here is the article. See for yourself: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...sreel_lifeStyle
This stuff always comes up every few years. Fine.
However, can someone do me a favor whenever they bring this up about football? Please time how long the ball is in play in baseball, and i mean in play, not the pitcher's wind-up, but anytime the ball is moving around.
Thank you.
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Seems like many people think a new Bills regime will need to draft/groom a new/starting qb in the off-season.
Maybe so.
But, I think Fitzy is a game kid that still has decent upside.
With change coming, hope he remains in the mix.
Although I disagree with you a little bit, Fitz is under contract for one more year and I think he is at least good to have on the roster in case everything blows-up or they don't want to start a rookie right away.
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Because Buffalo doesnt play Charleston Southern, Troy, or FIU
That's a great answer (as was STLBills15's that followed) and I am laughing quite a bit right now.
However, we do suck, and if we could get him later in the draft and he is a Flutie type spark that can just win, I say sure.
Hey, I know I'm dreaming but hope springs eternal.
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http://www.gatortailgating.com/content/are...-drafting-tebow
Don't flame. Thought the Tebow fans on the board would like the read.
Honestly, I'm thinking "Why the hell not with Tebow?"
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The Eagles drafted Kolb in 2007 with an early 2nd round pick to be the heir to McNabb.
Kolb has been groomed in their system for a few years, and when filling in for McNabb this year looks like the real deal.
They are one of the most fortunate teams in the league to have a young QB in waiting who looks like he will be a solid QB for many years.
They will NOT trade him.
a mid round pick?? Come on. The McNabb years are almost over in Philadelphia.
A point I made, ISNOCH, to Depressed Bills Fan earlier today; there are some great QBs in this league, but besides Philly and perhaps Arizona (Leinhart looked great in some preseason games) there are not many teams that have a quality back up to take over in the future.
...Note: I like Volek and Kitna, but they are not "take over" guys in SD and Dallas.
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A poor Buffalo Bills fan is mocked for believing Bill Cowher will be the next head coach of the Bills. A re-subtitle of a classic Youtube video!
Ungodly brilliant!!
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The pass was high.....just like how Bills fans don't talk about Darryl Talley's wonderful tackling in Superbowl XXV
I hate to be the guy that always brings this up; but is anyone the least bit bothered or give it a moments thought that Ronnie Harmon, the same guy rumored to have thrown the 1986 Rose Bowl game (4 fumbs, 1 MAJOR drop) as alluded to in a report on Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel...is also the same guy that in my opinion (and others, obviously) short armed a critical pass against the Browns in the playoffs?
Sorry, just sayin.
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Look, we suffered. We have suffered hard for a long time and probably will continue to do so for a little while longer, but I have hope..
Why I make the statement above is because regardless of some droning on about the watered down nature of the NFL, I think there many great moments and fun to be had if you are a fan of the game.
...as opposed to the opinion of some of those in the local media, radio and print.
I got a little tired of the, "there are 7 or 8 good teams in the NFL, and everyone else is mediocre" line being rolled out. Sorry, but if that is true, I think it applies to every sport. Somebody tell me of that 9th, 10th, or 12th best baseball or basketball team that just set their leagues on fire and you just couldn't miss?
For the first time I wasn't a season ticket holder for the Bills, but I caught all their games...albeit later on through the DVR, b/c there were just a lot of great things to see in the NFL.
Like the Bengals finally rebounding (even amidst tragedy for coach and players alike) to where there should have been a few years ago before Palmer's injury.
And by the way, hats off to Wade Phillips; the guy who was always imminently going to be fired in Dallas, but has 3 straight winning seasons, two division titles and a 33-15 record as Cowboys head coach.
Is it possible to be envious over 3 and 4 win teams? Yes. Freeman for TB pulled out a couple of great games for them this year and I loved watching them play their hearts out and beat the Saints. Additionally, even though we beat them, KC seemed to play EVERYBODY tough, besides us. Let me throw in Cleveland and Harris' game against KC(?) where he ran for I believe, the 3rd highest total in NFL history.
I can't believe I am saying this, but hats off also to Miami who started slow, had a rash of injuries but was really in it right to the end. They should have beat NO, they got robbed against the Titans, and what the hell were they doing against us? Two games fall their way and they are in the playoffs.
Even one rips on Denver for their collapse. I'll be honest with you; before the season I thought they were going to be one of the worst teams in the league in the neighborhood of 3-13. Early on, even Mario Haggen looked great for them.
Everybody has their opinion and I would never deny anyone theirs, but I just think that beyond the above, regardless of how disappointing our team was, the NFL product is still very enjoyable, with a lot of great moments and it is about to get better with what I believe is going to be a great post season.
Clear your weekend schedules, everybody, and enjoy, b/c its about to get really good.
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Actually, he paid $25,000 for the team. 50 years ago, $2 million probably could have bought you a NFL franchise.
$270 million in taxes is a problem for pretty much anybody. I'm guessing that if you exclude the Bills, his entire estate isn't worth anywhere close to that much. So on top of factors already mentioned, if he left the team to his children, they would have to sell it just to pay the taxes they owed on it.
I'll say this though if they wanted to own the team; financing 270 million dollars over a period of time is a whole hell of lot cheaper than someone from the outside laying down 820 million, part cash part-financing, to buy the team AND keep them in Buffalo.
The Bills are very profitable for Ralph b/c he is not paying on any loans for the team and has no mortgage for a stadium.
...its the next guy who is going to get hit hard with those things unless he has money to burn.
Oh, and really, really just my opinion, but if someone buys them and they stay in Buffalo for more than 10 years, sooner or later, i think the NFL is going to start to lean on them about a new stadium.
I love the Ralph, but what is it now, the 3rd or 4th oldest stadium in the League?
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This week's Grossman Fail of the Week award goes to Chad OchoCinco. If you didn't catch it, this past week OchoCinco trash talked Jets CB Darrelle Revis on Twitter all week long and then when the game came around he had 0 catches. Check out the full article here.
http://www.virtualsportsnet.com/2010/01/05...of-the-week-15/
How do you feel about him trash talking Revis over twitter and then getting shut down? Makes not only him but the Bengals look foolish.
I'm not defending him but didn't he get hurt just before the game? He was going to be pulled somewhere during it, but the leg/knee injury didn't help.
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Telling stat announced during the Colts game, didn't research it to make certain its true. You would think those Bledsoe years the Bills should have been better then 25th.
The Bills have been 25th or worse on offense for the last 7 years, that says it all. This team needs an offensive makeover in the worst way. Someone with a decent offensive brain, it might be why the Bills first went after Shanahan after firing Jauron.
Little did the Bills FO know that Dan Snyder had been after Shanahan since week 6 this season, and tried to hire him several times over the course of the season from what I read.
The Bills can interview anyone they want, if they don't hire an offensive mind they will be in the same situation that they have been in for 10 years. You guys can whine all you want about the defense, I'd like Cam Cameron or Brian Billick as HC.
I saw that stat, too, during the game. I thought I couldn't be surprised anymore by this team...until that stat.
Just horrible.
Realistically....what do you think it would take to get
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I agree with Dr D. I think, before this takes place, we would have to show McNabb (or any QB of noteworthiness that we might try to get here) that measures have been taken to upgrade the OL. In other words, FA, or trade for at least one quality Tackle, or convince McNabb we are definitely going to address OL in the first round of the draft.
BTW, I am talking left tackle as I am not unhappy with Butler, even coming back from injury.