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How clutch was Josh in 2023? No other QB even came close
beebe replied to DJB's topic in The Stadium Wall
For this season, it is fact-based to say that Mahomes wasn't overly clutch, from a purely results-based standpoint. The Chiefs had a chance to score late vs the Lions, Eagles, Packers and Bills and came up short in all. Four losses. His only successful "clutch" performance came in the Super Bowl. The context behind the misses is: vs Lions - Mahomes threw a perfect pass to Toney which would have set up the game-winning field goal, but Toney dropped it. vs Eagles - Mahomes threw what would have been a likely game-winning TD pass to MVS, but he dropped it at the goal line. vs Packers - Mahomes threw what could have been a game-tying TD (2 pter needed) but refs missed blatant PI on pass to MVS at the goal line. vs Bills - Mahomes threw what could have been a game-winning TD pass to Kelce (who then lateraled to Toney), but Toney was ruled Offside. -
Snap counts for Chiefs vs 49ers. Outside of Mahomes and Kelce, the Chiefs largely rolled with two bust free agent tackles, a backup left guard playing with a torn ligament in his elbow, two very good interior linemen taken in the 2021 draft (one a 6th rounder), a WR corps consisting of a 2nd-round rookie and four others who wouldn't see the field on most teams, a fifth-rounder and a league minimum FA at tight end, and a former 7th rounder at running back (along with a discount free agent signed three years ago). *** QB patrick mahomes (100%) LT donovan smith (100%) - free agent signing in 2023, among most penalized players in football despite missing five games LG nick allegretti (100%) - 7th round pick in 2019, backup, started for injured all pro thuney, played with torn UCL in elbow C creed humphrey (100%) - 2nd round pick in 2021 RG trey smith (100%) - 6th round pick in 2021 RT jawaan taylor (100%) - free agent signing in 2023, most penalized player in football WR rashee rice (85%) - 2nd round pick in 2023 WR marques valdez scantling (77%) - signed as free agent in 2022, considered one of the worst receivers in the league during season WR justin watson (56%) - signed as cheap free agent in 2022 WR mecole hardman (24%) - acquired via midseason trade, widely viewed as a bust/liability, missed six games w injury WR richie james (10%) - signed as cheap free agent in 2023, caught only 10 balls all year, used mostly as returner TE travis kelce (85%) TE noah gray (51%) - 5th round pick in 2021 TE blake bell (13%) - signed as cheap free agent, first in 2019 then again in 2021 RB isaiah pacheco (73%) - 7th round pick in 2022 RB jerick mckinnon (22%) - signed as cheap free agent in 2021 after missing two of previous three seasons w injuries RB clyde edwards-helaire (5%) - 1st round pick in 2020
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omenihu (injured for super bowl) and tranquill were really nice signings for chiefs defense. bryan cook (emerging safety) was also injured late season and missed the playoffs. leo chenal (2nd year player made some huge plays).
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Who are your top 10 QBs in the league
beebe replied to 78thealltimegreat's topic in The Stadium Wall
The Bills don't have a McDermott problem. They have a keep-running-into-Mahomes-problem. -
Who are your top 10 QBs in the league
beebe replied to 78thealltimegreat's topic in The Stadium Wall
The Bills defense has never been able to stop KC's offense in the playoffs. In fact, the three worst defensive playoff performances of the McDermott era have all come against the Chiefs. In two occasions, Klein was nowhere to be seen. But please keep cranking the excuse machine. -
Who are your top 10 QBs in the league
beebe replied to 78thealltimegreat's topic in The Stadium Wall
Not a very persuasive rebuttal to the "most uneducated collection of statements" you've ever read. Should have just taken your L and moved on. 😂 -
Who are your top 10 QBs in the league
beebe replied to 78thealltimegreat's topic in The Stadium Wall
I said Mahomes/Kelce did, not the entire Chiefs offense. Mahomes targeted Kelce 11 times vs the Ravens, completed all 11 passes, for 116 yards and a TD. Look at all their game-by-game stats in the last six years in the playoffs. Kelce has played the equivalent of a full regular season with Mahomes in the playoffs (17 games). 133 receptions, 1,516 yards, 18 touchdowns. People here act like there is a Bills LB on the roster that would have slowed Kelce down. No linebacker or safety in the league has slowed him down in the playoffs since Mahomes came to town. -
Who are your top 10 QBs in the league
beebe replied to 78thealltimegreat's topic in The Stadium Wall
what am i missing? the way this board talks, you'd think the bills were missing ed reed, ray lewis and lawrence taylor. -
Who are your top 10 QBs in the league
beebe replied to 78thealltimegreat's topic in The Stadium Wall
Agree the offensive coaching staff is great (although few had that opinion this year amid all the struggles with Nagy as OC after Bieniemy departed.) Mahomes WRs the last two AFC championship games: vs Bengals '22: JuJu, MVS, Marcus Kemp, Skyy Moore, Hardman, Toney vs Ravens '23: Rice, MVS, Justin Watson, Richie James, Hardman This is a bottom 3 WR corps in the NFL both years. -
Who are your top 10 QBs in the league
beebe replied to 78thealltimegreat's topic in The Stadium Wall
That's been my thesis, but somehow it gets pushback. -
Who are your top 10 QBs in the league
beebe replied to 78thealltimegreat's topic in The Stadium Wall
Buffalo's D in playoffs: vs Texans - 5.5 yards per play allowed vs Colts - 6.2 yards per play allowed vs Ravens - 4.7 yards per play allowed vs Chiefs - 6.9 yards per play allowed vs Patriots - 5 yards per play allowed vs Chiefs - 7.6 yards per play allowed vs Dolphins - 3.3 yards per play allowed vs Bengals - 5.8 yards per play allowed vs Steelers - 5.1 yards per play allowed vs Chiefs - 7.7 yards per play allowed Bills D vs non Chiefs: 5.0 yards per play allowed Bills vs Chiefs: 7.4 yards per play allowed The three worst playoff performances by Buffalo's D have all come against Mahomes and the Chiefs. They gave up 38 points and 36 points with fully loaded healthy defenses in prior years - defenses that rated out as top 5 units in the league. I'm not sure why Bernard's presence instead of Klein would have dramatically changed the calculus here. -
Who are your top 10 QBs in the league
beebe replied to 78thealltimegreat's topic in The Stadium Wall
The Bills D isn't as bad as they're being portrayed. Last I checked, they had essentially full access to their defensive line vs the Chiefs (Daquan Jones returned a week prior), they had their two starting safeties (Hyde and Poyer) and their two best CBs (Douglas and Johnson). Bernard was the biggest notable absence, and the Chiefs took advantage of Klein no doubt. But Mahomes/Kelce ran circles around the elite Ravens D, and I've seen them run circles around elite and fully healthy Bills defenses of the past (with Milano and Edmunds on the field). I don't know why it's assumed the Chiefs wouldn't have torched McDermott's fully healthy D in the playoffs this time just like they did the prior two times, and I don't know why it's assumed the Bills wouldn't have slowed the Ravens. The Bills D has been plenty good the last 4 years including in the playoffs except for when they play the Chiefs, or another elite QB like Burrow (in the snow). The Chiefs lost their best safety Bryan Cook to injury in early December, his replacement at safety Mike Edwards exited the first defensive series with concussion vs the Bills. The Chiefs had to roll the entire game with 4th-round rookie Chamarri Conner, who ultimately played a career-high (by far) 76 snaps vs the Bills. The Chiefs' best LB Willie Gay exited early with injury vs Bills (he was supposed to be the spy on Allen all day). The Chiefs were already without their best run-stuffing DL Derrick Nnadi. The way it's portrayed, you would think the Bills had a full roster of backups on the field. -
Who are your top 10 QBs in the league
beebe replied to 78thealltimegreat's topic in The Stadium Wall
Mahomes would have taken the Bills to the Super Bowl this year, and for sure would have taken at least two previous iterations of the Bills to the Super Bowl. In part because he wouldn't be playing against Mahomes! The Bills D has been 'staggeringly bad' in part because they played Mahomes three times! -
Who are your top 10 QBs in the league
beebe replied to 78thealltimegreat's topic in The Stadium Wall
Josh's playoff wins have come against the likes of retiring Phillip Rivers, Skylar Thompson, Mac Jones, Mason Rudolph and playoff choker Lamar. All of them were at home, with the Bills being the superior team or vastly superior. They were 10-point favorites vs Pitt, 14-point favorites vs Miami, 5-point favorites vs New England, 7-point favorites vs Indy and 3-point favorites vs Baltimore. The losses have come against Mahomes three times, Watson and Burrow. Football is a team game, and I hate how QB focused everything is these days. But at some point, you really do have to actually win something. Allen is 5-5 in the playoffs. As great as he was vs New England in the Wild Card round in 2021, his three turnovers in the Dolphins playoff game in 2022 put that game in peril vs a third-string QB. As good as he was in the 13 seconds game, he stunk in the 2020 AFC title game vs the Chiefs, and was equally ineffective in the playoff loss to the Bengals. In the Texans loss, the Bills scored a TD on their opening drive and then didn't score another touchdown the rest of the game (blowing a 16-0 lead in the process). This year vs the Chiefs, he had his team 1st-10 at the 27 yd line, with a chance at a walk off win, and he advanced his team only 1 yard closer before settling for a 44 yd field goal. Mahomes has won more playoff games (6) in the last 13 months than Allen has won in his entire career (5). Mahomes has six AFC title games in six years, 4 super bowl appearances, 2 super bowl wins (with a third possible in two weeks), and has beaten the Bills all three times in the postseason. Some people act like Mahomes is only good because he has Andy Reid, but last I checked, Andy Reid made one Super Bowl his first 19 years in the league, and has made four in six years since he got a unicorn at QB. The people that rate Mahomes as inferior to Allen are living in fantasy land. -
Divisional Playoffs - Chiefs at Bills - Post game thread
beebe replied to BuffaloBill's topic in The Stadium Wall
Third and fourth down avoidance - the Chiefs had just FIVE third downs the entire game - is far more important than converting a high percentage of third downs and/or facing three fourth downs. Yards per play - the Chiefs were a season-best 7.7 yards per play, compared to Buffalo's 4.7 yards per play - is far more important than total yards. -
There's more options for NFL media content than at any point in human history. So much smart content being written by data/analytics people. So many good NFL and team-specific podcasts that are smart and informed. So many great film breakdown guys. Yet the people on this forum become glued to ESPN, Nick Wright, etc, and repeat being outraged over media portrayal when they shove oversimplified narratives down your throat. Andy Reid has been a brilliant coach his entire NFL career and only in the last five years has he gotten his due credit (many now think he is better than Belichick, which would have gotten you laughed out of the room previously.) Mahomes has made six AFC championships in six years, yet was within a whisker of falling to 0-4 vs Joe Burrow in last year's AFC title game and had to hear about how he was the inferior QB because of it. Football is a team game consisting of 53 players, a dozen coaches and support staff, with so many moving pieces that influence the outcome - weather, luck, officiating, homefield, injuries, etc. These games are so routinely close it comes down to randomness as much as it does skill. And yet we keep dumbing it down to the performance of a single player - always the quarterback. It's stupid.
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From a pure power ratings standpoint, Harbaugh's four teams rated out: #3 #3 #2 #19 (started 7-4, flamed out as tension built with front office)
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McDermott said in postgame that the "element of surprise" was part of the motivation for going with the fake punt despite the distance to gain and being in their own territory. Chiefs LB Nick Bolton, coming off the field after the third down stop, was repeatedly telling Chiefs special teams players to "watch the fake"
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Finally got a chance to rewatch the game. I am fairly certain this was by far the most passive defensive game plan that Spags has put together for the Chiefs vs Allen. In the 2020 AFC championship, he brought a bunch of pressure. He's done the same in many of the matchups afterward with a variety of creative and well-timed blitzes. This time, basically nothing. In 39 pass plays, the Chiefs barely ever pressured Allen and many times it was by design. D-Linemen were occasionally not even rushing and just trying to bat the ball down at the LOS. KC kept taking away the deep and intermediate routes and testing Josh's discipline to remain patient. Despite running just 44 plays (kneel downs not included), the Chiefs had eight 20+ yard plays. In 78 plays, the Bills had zero. The game plan worked but was technically a failure. The Bills had three chances to hit on a deep ball but misfired on all of them. There was the Diggs pass deep downfield isolated on a safety. There was Shakir in the end zone. There was the throw downfield to Sherfield that was nearly caught. Catches on any of those three could have swung the game in Buffalo's favor. Obviously a loss is a loss, but Spags' apparent plan was to patiently wait for Josh to get impatient and hand them a game-altering turnover and he didn't give them one.
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Can We End This Nonsense About Homefield Advantage Now?
beebe replied to K D's topic in The Stadium Wall
I thought yesterday was a homefield disadvantage. The atmosphere was very tense/nervous throughout, almost expecting the inevitable dread. The Chiefs seemed to come together with the Us vs World mentality and had an extra level of focus they've been lacking throughout this long season. No presnap penalties, no offensive holding, basically a very clean game on offense. -
Kansas City at Buffalo in the Divisional Round!
beebe replied to chongli's topic in The Stadium Wall
Is the Diggs foot an actual concern? Limiting in a major way? -
Benford's metrics are actually inferior to Dane.
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Divisional Round, Chefs v. Bills - PREDICT THE SCORE
beebe replied to Freddie's Dead's topic in The Stadium Wall
Chiefs 26 Bills 20 -
Kansas City at Buffalo in the Divisional Round!
beebe replied to chongli's topic in The Stadium Wall
The Chiefs not signing Hopkins proved to be massive for the rest of the AFC. He would have spared them from the wide receiver carousel they wasted an entire regular season trying to figure out. I get why they didn't sign him - they thought they had young guys ready to take off - but man oh man that was a monster whiff.