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Shakir’s been good but needs to be utilised more. Also impressed with Benford. Cook and Elam decent, especially the latter considering the lack of first choice players around him at times. Bernard was poor but has time to grow. Haven’t seen enough from Spector to judge but late round picks can be down to luck rather than judgement anyway.

Or maybe fewer because they’ve already got over the hump of the SB. They’ve already proven they can do it. And the sneering dismissal of those who have concerns about Sunday’s performance is getting tiring.

If you go back they probably were at the time.

It’s not losing; it’s the miserable way we lost that’s the issue. The game at the Fins was excusable; Sunday was not.

One thing Fins fans should consider - put Josh behind their own line with their receivers and do the same with Tua here. Who’s doing better?

Put Keenum in at QB and have Josh as a RB? 😄

They told him to be more like Josh Allen.

It’s what we should have been doing with Josh. It’s what we were doing with Josh against the higher rated teams. Keenum’s less likely to play heroball but he’s less likely to put the offense on his back too. He’s in and somehow it will have to be a team effort.

I’m going into “Josh has been dire for five quarters so if Keenum steps in he can’t be any worse” denial mode right now. I’d feel even worse if there were doubts with Josh’s fitness when he was at a peak, rather than a trough.

Think the Cowboys said the same thing when Prescott went down.

Are O Lines becoming a problem across the board, though? Is that why we’re seeing so many low scoring games; there’s a reduction in talent when it comes to that area of play? Big guys who could do it prefer to be on the defensive side of the ball - picks, sacks, fumbles - than the offensive side. I can name ten non-Bill defensive players in an instant - Bosa, TJ Watt, JJ Watt, Crosby, Gardner, Hutchinson, Judon, Donald, Ramsey, Garrett - but ten players who play on the O Line in the NFL? I can only remember ours because I’m wondering why they act as turnstiles.

I know I’ve said it before but what bugs me is, pre-bye, Josh was great at taking what the defense gave him. Need to hand it off? Fine. Need short bullet passes? Fine. Nothing free up field? Will chuck it away relatively safely. And I can’t blame Dorsey for taking those options away from him - Shakir and Knox were available on short plays and we’re ignored for riskier, well covered, deep options yesterday. It’s like something changed at the bye and I don’t know why it’s happened.

Not to derail the thread from discussing Josh’s impending retirement to steal Brady’s role at Fox from under his nose but I think the issue is we had a warning on both sides of the ball against the Packers yet nothing changed from the second half (defense)/final quarter (offense) to yesterday. We didn’t learn our lesson and Josh, even if he can play, concerns me because he’s dropped off alarmingly all of a sudden.

On the plus side, all the panic about Josh is helping people forget that he basically hasn’t turned up for five quarters (and I will fight anyone who says six - he was fine in the 3rd Quarter against the Packers).

No Josh against Minnesota or Cleveland? 6-4 here we come.

Take away one of Josh’s fluky interception’s yesterday and we would have won.

One bad drive when they were shattered. I think I'm recalling correctly that the defense got off the field on the first touchdown drive but Specials Team messed the bed on the fake, putting them out there. For the second touchdown, Josh gave them short field. The defense also saved us when we kicked out of bounds. Yes, one bad drive which lost the game, but others have to take more than their share of blame for yesterday's result. Point out that all three sides of our game had horrific moments yet they still only managed to beat us by three. We would have been blown out by a good team.

The day after the night before, I'm trying to think logically. Josh looked average to poor for much of the regular season last year post bye and look what he did in the play offs. The disappointment is I thought he had raised his floor but he hasn't. But he still has his ceiling. Making the post season is key. Anything after that is on the day, whether at OP or away.

No Hyde No Milano No Poyer No White From the second half, no Rousseau The only experienced, (arguably) quality, players we had out there were Edmunds and Miller. We probably were a bit lost. ETA - Oh and Phillips. Can’t even recall Oliver being mentioned.

Part of me is thinking we don’t want the post season bye if this is how we play coming out of one!

I know I replied to you on the other thread but to reiterate, I agree. We basically need to return to the approach we had with him to start the season and stick to it. But he wasn’t before the bye. He was at his most intelligence as a QB for the most part.

Typical luck for us. We were supposed to be on top of a dumpster fire whilst the four in AFC West destroyed each other. Instead it’s the other way round. It’d be nice if we had three dreadful teams to face annually like the Pats at their peak.

I sort of appreciate that we have tried to protect him slightly but telling him to cut down the risk taking but if it’s going to lead him into second guessing himself, and being uncertain, then forget it. It’s better to let him be himself.

I think I agree. Don’t run, slide, don’t take risks. No - that’s Josh. He’s just as likely, if not more so, to get injured in the pocket with this line. Let him go out and have fun.

I think that’s fair. For whatever reason, when Josh dips, he really dips. I appreciate Mahomes has the odd off game but he doesn’t seem to stay in, or return to, a funk as long as Josh does. Last year is a good example - awful in Jacksonville, decent at the Jets, dreadful against the Colts, good versus the Saints, couldn’t adapt our game in the wind when playing the Patriots (not all on him), then poor in the first half in Tampa. Second half he was great, but didn’t have his best game against Carolina, turned up in the revenge at Foxborough, then the horror show against the Falcons (most similar to tonight), before an ok showing in the final regular season against the Jets. It was a real rollercoaster ride, which is perhaps overshadowed by superhuman Josh turning up in the play offs. Then again, I’ve just had a look at Mahomes’ record last year and he only picked up a QBR of over 60 once between weeks five and thirteen so… perhaps ignore all of the above!