Ghost_002!

Missed me with this one. i didn't know i couldn't come in here and counterpoint anyone's argument. *shrug shoulders*

You got me there! that told his WHOLE CAREER I have been stumped! Someone needs to correct the NFL and his peers.

You need to check your data. his last season with the pats they lost to the titans after losing home field advantage because their offense was so bad they couldn't score any TDs. Their last SB victory Brady didn't record a touchdown and debating with people like you, there is only so far to go, you are telling me there is no data to back up BB being a exceptional coach yet there is and yet he is viewed as so by his peers but i guess you know better, and I made my points, i really do not need you to agree or not, those facts do exist. They were together for 20 years, there is a reason for that, but i am not expecting you to know why. i will enjoy the rebuild, hope for your sake the patriots don't turn it around before your team can win a SB cause that would be what's laughable.

So we bring back up the Cleveland days, we are going back 20 plus years like coaches don't get better? We are once again coming to an assumption after ONE YEAR of rebuilding. yea the Bucs were an average team whose QB threw 33 TDS and 30 picks, 30 picks..that at all had nothing to do with with them "being average"? Their offense consist of Mike Evens, Chris Goodwin and OJ Howard before brady ever got there and Jamies Winston was able to throw 33 TDs.... offensive weapons way better than what the patriots had since 07. But it was Brady who turned that team around according to you. like i said all brady had to do was not throw picks and the bucs were playoff bound, their defense stood on their heads during their playoff run, if their defense didnt step up they weren't winning a SB. Shoot Brady wasn't that good in the 2nd half of the NFC championship game. (not taken anything away from Brady---but people are getting too lazy with their takes)

Yea, i was going to be sarcastic and say you don't think Montana was an important piece to the 49ers dynasty. Basically trying to say you can check any teams dynasty or championship run and see a QB being an important piece to the puzzle. But for some who just wanna stop there, if they dig deeper they will see it's more to it than just the QB.

possibly, but i don't think Shula's era dealt with the kind of pay roll/salaries the players started getting and as i mention before, free agency as well. Different eras, players stay with their teams in shula's era as oppose to players constantly leaving now a days. I don't think there is an argument for how important Brady was to their dynasty, i wasn't even arguing that, but to think it's all Brady is dumb. players play and coaches coach. Both were big pieces to the puzzle.

How about the salary cap error where players move from team to team constantly. Nothing against Shula but he wasn't dealing with that.

That doesn't speak of luck. Again BB wasn't what you know of him now. He wasn't a "hot commodity" and he became available to take the patriots job. It wasn't he quit the JETS then the patriots went after him, he quit for the sole purpose of taken the patriots job that was already offered to him previously. His 2nd head coaching job ever mind you. Wait...do you understand this is/was year one(going into 2) of a rebuilding period, this ain't year 5 with a sub .500 team. Things like this generally have to run a course first not jump the gun. Again, did Tom Brady take the lions or redskins to the SuperBowl? Someone i guess did know how talented the Bucs really were. They could of won a SB with any of the top ten QBs from last year, they were that stacked on offense and their defensive got hot and was amazing during playoff time. Do you even remember Tom Brady's last year with the pats, he couldn't even muster a touchdown in his last playoff game against the titans. The talk after that was is Brady done playing football...ha ha at he "put the patriots on his back" although he was a big factor and very big factor, you clearly wasn't paying attention. you must of forgot his first SB win when he was a game manager, or his last SB win when he didn't record a touchdown, it was the defense that did the work and there are a plenty of playoffs wins that the patriots won despite Brady not playing so well. I would slow your role on the patriot's being all Tom Brady.

How the hell does an owner "luck" into a coach, especially one that wasn't even available or wasn't even looked at as the greatest coach of all time at that time? He actually quit the JETS to be come back to NE and I wouldn't use Pitts too much of a measuring stick as far as coaches, because the Rooney's don't fire coaches, Tomlin should of been gone a long time ago! And if you cant not see how BB helped Brady's career as much as Brady's helped his you are blinded , and Tom Brady didn't take the Detroit Lions to a SB, he took a team that was already playoff ready and offensively full of talent, just needed QB not to throw 13 picks game. Nothing against Tom Brady in any way, but this take by people is so lazy and misinformed. I mean after one year, some how the "big question" was answered, Tom Brady was the real reason for the pats success. It's funny though, to read all this Bills fan Bravo off of just one season. Wow!

ha ha. Yes and you know exactly how the next 20 years are going to go right?

Fandom has nothing to do with making sense.

Agreed with everything you said.

What sense are you making? Where in this thread have I said anything about winning a championship?

You are right. First time in this thread that u were. Good job 👏

Josh Allen was not a good passer his first two seasons in the league. Thats not lacking credibility. That's being real and was pretty much everyone's assessment if you aren't a fan. And the pats TEs are weapons. Cool they are not top 5...one is top 10 (that's not a stretch) both are better options then what any other team in this division can offer.

Top 5, nope, barely missed top 10 ranking that aint bad..but if you want to do the research yourself since PFF is not credible to you be my guess tell me what you find What was Knox's numbers compared to Smith last year? And Allen was not lighting anything on fire going into this past season so that seemed to be a fair assessment of him. Th

Emm tell me where does Bills TE rank? Tell me you wouldn't rather have anyone of them on your team? Ha ha they all came back....only one retired. Hightower opted out because his girlfriend/wife (idk) was having a baby and he didn't wanna to risk his babies health.

Are you really trying to use N'Kneal Harry as a point to this premise? A QB who played 20 years for him..and would of stayed if they payed him.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-tight-end-rankings-2021-nfl-season They were 1st and 3rd respectively in this year free agent class. And Has Hunter ranked 10th And Smith ranked 12th Among tight ends...

The premise is...offensive players wouldn’t want to play for BB. That is a lie. Yes not every coach is for every player but that doesn't mean BB can't get players to play for him.. I mean didn't L.Bell blast Andy Reid and said he wouldn't play for him again?

So these grown ass men signed and NEVER got the 411 on BB? Ha ha Nah why would they not do their homework on where they are signing first..ha ha This a joke. Ha ha

nelson agholor and Kendrick Bourne Are not better than n'keal harry, and jakobi Myers? Ha ha just what are we doing here...

Yet they picked up two top end TEs in free agency. Ha ha nice try though.

Their wide outs aren't better than what they had last year? And they won 7 games. Defense will be better (much better probably will be one of the better ones in the NFL, especially if Gilmore stays), and they are only going to be one game better in you opinion than last year? Ok.

First off, if your coaching staff puts you QB in the right situation why couldn't they succeed? Their TEs are better and WRs are better. Line is better..I guess Josh McDaniels won't know how to scheme the offense to play to their strengths. And he said a late run which could mean something as little of winning 10 games, a playoff spot.. he was being fai, but you're acting like he was talking about a SB or something