i agree with everything you and PTR have said, however, Pat's and Geno's are very good for tourists, much like anchor bar is a destination for visitors to Buffalo, you can say you did it. I do like Jim's for cheesesteaks, and sorry PTR, in Philly Whiz has a place on steaks(Whiz wit for me). For an added Philly treat, stop at Lorenzo's first, get a slice, then a Jim's steak and make yourself a Philly Taco :-) Best sandwich in town, hands down is still Dinic's roast pork with sharp and rabe....honestly it is worth fighting the crowds at Reading Terminal Market, actually Reading Terminal alone is worth fighting the crowds.