newcam2012
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Another great write up. Especially liked your breakdown of Allen. Not sure he isn't regressing because its only 2 games. What I'm seeing is concerning but not alarming.
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2 hours ago, Success said:
So, aren't you taking more of a 2-game sample, while others are basing their predictions on an entire season of play (2020)?
Scientifically speaking, there is a much great probability that Allen is who he was last year, than who we've seen by mid-September this year.
I'd love to see the scientific data.
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29 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
This is the quote I was responding to: Agree, if Allen plays like crap again this week there are no more excuses. It will be time to accept that he's simply not good and behind closed doors in Orchard Park there will be serious buyers remorse knowing that he had a fluke year during the weird fanless covid year.
You are correct. I read it but didn't take it literally. I interpreted it and added my own biases. Sorry.
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6 hours ago, Success said:
Is "earning it" a game-to-game thing?
Good question. It's game to game and cumulative. I'd say it's both. My eyes tell me Allen Is struggling mentally, with his mechanics, and has lost some confidence. He seems to be jittery, not going through his progressions, locking into one receiver, poor foot work, and lacking confidence. It's only 2 games and hoping he starts to play like last year. I expect some regression but hopefully it's minimal.
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5 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Dude is declaring last year a fraud and behind closed doors the braintrust is going to be in utter despair if Allen has a bad game against WFT.
I didn't interpret that in his post. Imho, he wasn't "declaring" that. He merely pointed out that Allen might not be the franchise guy many think we have. I think that's a fair assessment. The sample size of Allen's greatness is about 10 games and out of the box this year he looks serviceable and not franchise like. No one really knows where Allen fits in. Probably somewhere in the middle. If we are seeing "his floor" right now then that's a pretty nice floor. Gotta see how it plays out.
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1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:
It's really this simple, until Allen proves last year wasn't a fluke he's the same guy we saw in 2018/2019 right now....extremely erratic with a few glipses of greatness sprinkled in. You don't pay $250M for that, not even close and we have the right to demand better as fans since there were many of us that understood last year could have been an outlier and not really who Allen is. And you can't make the comparison to midseason last year since he came out guns blazing in the first four games.
He's been terrible from the get go and now we also now Pittsburgh isn't nearly as good as we thought either given Carr's performance yesterday. Honestly Allen is lucky he didn't have 3 or 4 INT yesterday but obviously it's not under the microscope so to speak because our defense gave one of the best performances of the McD/Frazier era.
Allen must get his head right quickly starting this week.
I agree with the theme of your post. Won't be popular on here because many continue to drink the "cool aid." I suppose the glass is half full...So many are afraid to be critical of Allen. Glad to see you are not. I will give players their do props when they earn it.
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5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
ok...
Anyway, he's the backup QB, so no, he wasn't going to start over Fitz (see Mitch Trubisky). But in less than 2 games he has completed 74% of his passes for 458 yards, 3 TD/1 int. If you had watched him last Thursday you would have been impressed, because he was impressive. And they have a solid receiving corps.
This may not be a walkover like the Brissett Fins were.
I expect a tough fought out win. It's hard to be confident in our offense. Washington has enough pieces to beat the Bills if they play poorly. I see a 24-13 Bills win. Once again, the defense plays very good and the offense continues to struggle.
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5 hours ago, Dr. Who said:
Ridiculous overreaction. O-line has to get their act together. Josh is a little off. Defensive Coordinators studied the film and figured out what we were doing. Strategy and tactics adapt. They'll work it out, just maybe not quick enough to stop Chicken Littleitis.
Alright, if that makes you feel better, go for it. I don't think it's one of the easier games, particularly.
It's probably an overreaction but your " the Bills and Allen will figure it out" thinking can be similarly a positive overreaction. There no facts in your conclusion or projection. Sure, you could be right and I hope you are! Just saying it cuts both ways. Others like myself aren't so quick to believe "it will all get figured out." That's ok too right? The fact remains the Bills offense and Allen have been mediocre at best. Let's stick with the facts...
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3 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:
I guess I'm an old fart who has seen everything in my life as a Bills fan. And it's not concerning when I've only seen it for 2 games. And even in these two games Allen has shown flashes of his 2020 self. Were you concerned during that run last year where the Bills only scored 16, 17 & 18 points and Allen looked pretty average at best? And this coming right after 4 games in which Allen couldn't be stopped.
Go back and look at the Bills awesome run from 1988 - 1993. There are games where Kelly, Thomas & Reed could barely move the football. We all remember the point and yardage machine that was the K-Gun when it was firing on 8 cylinders but in reality they had 5 to 6 offensive clunkers a season during that run. It comes with the game.
Good fair points. What makes me concerned is the small sample size of the elite Allen. It not like watching Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Brees, Wilson, etc...a bad game or 2 isn't as alarming because they have been elite franchise qbs for extended periods of time. While Allen has what a 10 game sample size? We've seen qbs like Cam, Kap, RG3, Cousins, Fitz, Goeff, Wentz, etc...have short term success similar to Allen. Fair points no? Fast forward to this season and Allen isn't playing anywhere near last year's level. I don't see the dynamic, confident, and accurate passer of last year. I see an Allen whose lost confidence, looks jittery, locking into his receivers, poor footwork, and most concerning is inaccurate. Positive note is its only a 2 game sample as you point out. So time will tell if Allen and the offense progresses or not. I think it's completely valid to be critical of Allen. His play has earned that.
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2 hours ago, dneveu said:
There were quite a few throw aways in this one (they count 4, but Kumerow got a target on a ball that was thrown into the stands because no one was open), which usually means good coverage, pressure, or both. Only 1 sack on the day.
2 major bad decisions - the mckenzie sideline throw that was almost picked, and the int. He had one deflected at the line that looked like it could've been a nice gainer.
2nd half stat line i show is 10/17 for 120 and a TD, sacked once, and 2 carries for like 25 yards. Not crazy MVP numbers but they were in control offensively in the 2nd half, they had fantastic field position all game which limits the yards you can gain.
I get it but this seems to be the ultimate example of cherry picking. I mean don't both halve statistics count? Allen had by far more 2 poor decisions. I think most fans honestly assessing his play would agree it as mediocre at best. Plenty of examples and a plain eye ball test validates this. Allen is not playing with confidence, his footwook is again rearing it head, he's locking into receivers, throwing into double coverage, very jittery in the pocket, and very inaccurate completing slightly above 50%. Of course there are other variables in play like the opponent's defensive skill, the Oline, questionable play calling, and inability to maintain a running game. Its not all on Allen. At this point, early on its hard to like what we care seeing out of Allen. Isn't that a fair statement? Let's hope Allen and the offensive can turn things around.
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1 hour ago, Motorin' said:
There is a world of difference between constructive criticism and the pervasive negativism that many Bills fans emotive during games that aren't flawless.
Most of us love talking football, and have no problem taking about how Allen, the run game, the D can play better. Strategy, mechanics, the mental side of the game. Let's talk about it!
It's the emoting of self-hatred and prognosis of doom that's is annoying as *****.
Please talk football. It will distract from the people demanding that the franchise is doomed and failure is certain.
I guess it's a matter of perception. I just don't see the "doom and failure is certain" attitude on here. I see skepticism, concerns, critics, assessments, and opinions. Leys be honest a negative assessment or opinion isn't perceived well on here by many. You will almost without a doubt be labeled a doom and gloomer, troll, hater, etc. Trust me I'm speaker frin experience.
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18 minutes ago, dneveu said:
Clearly pressure has been an issue so far this year. The big difference to the raiders vs bills against Pitt? Carr hit on the deep ball to ruggs, and buffalo missed on their big deep shot. That and the blocked punt.
It's more than that. It's not that simple. Carr was under just as much duress as Allen. As noted injuries on Pitts side probably helped out the Raiders. Nevertheless, on the road Carr with stood the pressure and delivered numerous strikes. He threw the ball with confidence and accuracy. Unlike Allen. After two games Carr is the better QB by miles. Fortunately it's a 17 game schedule. Allen should bounce back vs the WFT.
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1 minute ago, Tenhigh said:
Ad soon as you post something intellectual I'll be sure to respond. Its pretty simple while Allen and the rest of the O isn't quite yet in mid-season form, the Chicken Littles are out in force after a 35-0 win over a division rival. You are trolling amigo, plain and simple.
No I'm not. Look at my post after the game. I gave my props to the Bills for the win, praised several players, likef the running game, and the play calling. The troll label always rears its ugly head when people don't like the valid criticism of the Bills players who are under performing. Your right on point and I expected the shots fired.
12 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:Seems to me that Josh is playing tentatively. Almost like the pressure of his contract is influencing his play. The offensive line isn’t helping either. Let Diggs give him a “John Henderson slap” and tell him to unleash the Kraken.
I agree with the tentative comment. Not sure I can agree with the pressure of the contract angle though.
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2 minutes ago, nucci said:
good points but I don't understand why he would be rusty? Training camp, preseason, practice and 2 games so far. He's been playing football almost everyday for months now.
The rust argument is pretty weak and that'ss being kind. The issues.are the Oline, run game, play calling, and Allen's mechanics and confidence. Not saying things can't turn around for the positive. Rust has nothing to do with it. A valid argument as stated here is the Bills faced 2 good defenses.
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1 minute ago, Tenhigh said:
Maybe you should find a hobby that's less stressful.
Maybe you should try to intellectually add something to the conversation instead of slinging personal attacks. All good here...
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3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
I guess we will see when the all-22 comes out. But I am pretty sure I am right and you are only focusing on the misses. He made some poor throws, for sure. But I think we will see that he made some great ones and that the receivers were pretty much blanketed in tight man coverage all game.
Overall, my sense is that it’s some rust by him (and the other offensive skill players) and the offensive coaches still trying to get into a groove.
The Washington game should be a perfect game to knock off the "rust." Right?
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45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I think he has been affected by the protection issues. Last week the oline was really bad but even on the snaps where he got protection his footwork was messy. And I think yesterday while the protection was not perfect it was better and there were snaps on which Josh got fidgety feet and saw a rush that wasn't there. I think part of it is Josh settling down and trusting his guys up front. And also we need the protection to get better.
That's what I'm seeing too. However, these concerns about the Oline and I'll add the run game aren't new. Last year, the team lived and died on Allen's legs and arm. He produced and played like an elite talent. What I'm seeing now is Josh Allen 2.0. A little better version of his 2019 year. Time will eventually let us know what Josh Allen is. Serviceable to Elite and everything in between. I'd be lying if I said i wasnt concerned. A good measuring meter should be Washinton. If he plays another mediocre game we all should be feeling more than uneasy.
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51 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
Their defense may well still be one of the best in the league. Derek Carr and the Raiders have come out on fire this year, and as stated above, they had a few guys missing against Vegas. And they destroyed our OL in that game. Allen had no time. This week he had some time but the Fins secondary played really well.
Allen has been mediocre, far from very bad. It's just that last year's Allen was so very good. And best guess this early is that those were two good defenses we played.
Bottom line is that we'll have to see if he gets his rhythm or not. Too early to say very much.
Curious to get your take on the Wash defense? Are they elite or top 10? D. Jones just shredded them if they helps you answer the question. Just trying to see if Allen is going to get another "pass" if he doesn't play well? At some point, it's Shi* or get off the pot...
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
Agree. Everyone has their own type of fandom. I can't not analyse. I can't go to the cinema and watch a film without noticing the continuity mistakes and the plot holes. Similarly I can't just say wow 35-0 we are perfect. Don't get me wrong I am happy with the win but there are still things that need work and I can't not see them.
Bill, 've always respected your knowledge and insight on the QB position. Can you offer you opinion, expertise, and insight on what you see with Josh? Is he likely to continue to play poorly? Improve? Etc..
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26 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:
Keep in mind the offense only played about 2 quarters the entire preseason. It has taken a couple games to find their rhythm.
I believe Josh and the offense will get on track and keep improving.
Disagree on it takes a couple games to find your rhythm. The offense is in tact from last year. Its not a new system or lots of new players. I can't stress how I feel like this is a big excuse being made for the Bills offenaive woes.
My take is Allen os regressing. He is thinking too much, lost some confidence, locking into his receivers thus poor vision, improper footwork such as throwing off his back foot which causes inaccurate passes. Couple that with an Oline that has been porous and a run game that is below average. A bills offensive playbook that's no secret to opponents. Today we saw some glimmer of hope with the run game. Daboll seemed to be a little less predictable. Allen still didn't look good.
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6 hours ago, Bills fan since 87 said:
It was rough on the game threads today. Got pretty annoyed at the doom and gloom up 14-0, 21-0, 28-0...today was a set back it seemed. We stink, our qb stinks, daboll stinks...Higher expectations. People jumping in the conversation who normally wouldn't, trolls, kids...casual fans. Bottom line we won 35-0 on the road in division in a very big early season game. The Superbowl wasn't today. We will be fine. If you hate on us on a secomd and eight in the second quarter down 3 pis....bug of.... go Bills.
Just curious how do you know "we will be fine?" Curious as to you opinion on Allen played today? Your opinion on the Bills defense? Oline? Is it allowed that people constructively criticise players and coaches who under preform? Or are they just labeled trolls, doom and gloomers, and or haters. Help us understand you mindset. Wondering are you an "expert fan?" I don't think the posters here hate the Bills as you claim. Does hating equal saying negative things about the Bills? Are some on here unrealistically optimistic? Make all kind if excuses for players and coaches? Your thread is foolish...
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53 minutes ago, WideNine said:
Yet all great QBs are in fact very good "game managers". That term is overly used as a derogatory term that assumes limiting a QBs abilities rather than a necessary facet to being a successful QB in the NFL.
True, it cuts both ways. Generally speaking, it has negative connotations. The term "franchise QB" is term used for the elite Qbs. No doubt Allen earned that title last year. However, it was a very small sample size. Imho, he isn't earning that title in this early season. Time will tell what label he will receive.
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Just now, Figster said:
Whats Mahomes excuse in a loss tonight? I think he makes a little more.
Ignorance is bliss.
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4 minutes ago, WideNine said:
With a good defense, Allen just needs to do enough to win games and avoid things that make teams lose games.
Brady over his career averaged around 260 Y/G but is one of the most successful QBs to play the game. Much of that is his efficiency (and a fair bit of preferential treatment by officials over the years) combined with solid defenses. NE was also pretty good about getting up on teams early and playing keep away. Gaudy QB stats alone do not win games, if they did then Deshawn Watson, Matt Ryan, and Kirk Cousins would not have been on sub-500 teams last season.
Allen and this offense need to be efficient. Strike when they are in the red zone, avoid turnovers and poor field position and they will win most games. Until OBD gets some better talent on the o-line that allow deeper options to open up for Allen, running the ball and hitting quicker passes underneath to avoid the jail breaks will be necessary. I do like how Knox is starting so show up and make plays in the seams and behind those defensive shell looks... TE has been a missing element for this offense.
The Bills didn't make Allen the highest paid QB to be a game manager.
5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:Me either. It's called regression. Hate that dirty word.
1 minute ago, Figster said:Its called rusty, lol
Good grief
I'm speechless.
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"If Allen Plays Like Crap This Week, Accept that He's Simply Not Good
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I really don't get the Allen is feeling the pressure of signing the big contract angle. I just don't buy it. I think there are many factors in play. The Oline, play calling, lack of consistent run attack/threat. Also, Allen has lost his confidence, his mechanics, and vision. Hopefully, we will see a turn around soon.