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3 minutes ago, Greg S said:
I think the Bills can win it if they can the run the ball and control the clock. Allen will obviously have to hit on some big passing plays. The Bills D won't stop the Seahawks O. If the Bills win it will be like the Rams game with both teams scoring in the 30's. Buffalo needs to keep Wilson on the sideline as much as possible.
I agree. Seattle is pretty good against the run. They stopped Zeke and the 49ers last week. They rank 9th in the NFL vs the run. I'm pretty hesitant to think our run game will be effective and efficient. The way to beat the Seattle is through the air. Allen and the offense will have to play like the first four games of the season. The offense has regressed for many reasons. Thus far, we haven't been able to beat top teams like KC and Tenn. This game is a tall order. We will find out how good this team really is. I suspect we aren't on the same level as Seattle.
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51 minutes ago, BuffaloBobs said:
They have not been able to, which is why if Seattle is banged up and we can stop the run that would bode well for our defense.
The other option is to drop into a shell and let them control the game like the Chiefs did against us and we did against the Patriots, which is I guess what your suggesting. I don't think that will work because of how talented Wilson and their receivers are.
I think you are assuming a third string RB can't run well against the Bills. Just look at what the Jets and the Pats did with their 2nd and 3rd stringers. I'm pretty confident RB Dallas can gash the Bills defense. (That's assuming Hyde and Carson are out.) I will continue to make the case until I see this Bills team stop the run.
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9 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:
Seattle is coming to us boys.
I think we lay the smack down, I really do.
We're better than we been playing.
Explain what you mean by playing better? In fact, we have been playing worse if you factor in the first four games. We didn't score a TD against the Jets. We can't stop the run game if our life depends on it. Our offense has regressed and feels nothing like the first 4 games. I'm all for optimism but let's be realistic too. I get we are all fans and want to see the bright side of things. Imho, Seattle beats us 27 - 13.
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14 hours ago, BuffaloBobs said:
I think you missed my point. The only chance is making the game one dimensional by eliminating the run game and forcing Wilson to get the ball out quickly.
Wilson is a great quarterback in the pocket, outside the pocket, on the run. He's incredible. I just think our chances of winning rely pressuring him in the pocket as a pure passer. If he's regularly extending the play outside the pocket and dropping dimes I don't know if we have the guns to hang with them.
Lol. Tell me when the Bills have stopped or eliminated any ones run game. Last year doesn't count. By your owns words Dallas didn't run well vs the 49ers. So your theory is poop. Russel cooked with DK and Moore. With respect, I disagree with your analysis and game plan.
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9 minutes ago, BuffaloBobs said:
If Seattle doesn't have Chris Carson running the ball their offense should be pretty one dimensional. If you can keep Russel Wilson in the pocket and our secondary plays up to snuff it might be a halfway decent matchup for our defense. DK worries me though as we've had trouble with bigger physical receivers this year and last.
My opinion is a little different. Obviously, with Carson and Hyde they are much better. I think the Seahawks will hurt us on the ground no matter who is at RB. Dallas didn't look awful vs the 49ers. We haven't been able to stop the run. Harris was even productive yesterday. Also, who do we have to cover both Locket and Metcalf? One of surely should be productive. We are vulnerable vs Big WR and slot WR. Puck your poison . Not to mention Wilson's ability to run and make big plays. The only way win is by exploiting their weak secondary. Allen will have to be awesome.
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1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
Are you a Pats fan?
Born and raised in Buffalo. I am a die hard Bills fan. I don't live in Buffalo anymore. It's a great sports town. I miss having great buffalo sports conversations.
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45 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
Three? That's it? As a recovered gambling addict.........omg, line is down to 2.5 on heritage and they don't accept credit card deposits at these hours.
I play in a football pool where you pick 4 games vs the spread. I immediately jumped on Seahawks -2.5. They should be favored by 6.
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9 hours ago, billsfan89 said:
Going to have to put up 30+ to win. That's just how you have to beat the Seahawks. They are too good offensively. Much like the Chiefs you just have to how your defense can get a key turnover or stop them just enough and hope your offense can put up a big number.
Either way this should be a fun game. Bills are still in a decent spot if they lose but it would be nice to see them get that so called signature win
I agree. I've watched a lot of Seahawk games. I don't see our defense stopping them. The can pound the rock with whomever and still beat our run defense. Then you can't stop either Metcalf or Locket. One or both will have a huge game. Slot receivers give us fits so the edge goes to Locket. Then there is Russ. Their pass defense is beatable but they are pretty good against the run. Allen will have to be phenomenal for us to win.
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9 hours ago, BuffBillsForLife said:
Allen needs to return to being the MVP caliber QB he was in september or this game is going to get real ugly real fast.
Agree.
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6 hours ago, BillzFreak said:
We could of won by 50 and yet it still wouldn't make a difference to the negative people on here. I get we have issues that need to be fixed but we just beat a team with arguably the greatest head coach of all time and it does feel good. I swear some of these people are only happy if they can complain, it's really sad to be a fan of football if you cant ever enjoy a win.
I hear you. As a fan, I welcome the win as well as the constructive criticism. I can never understand why fans have such a difficult time accepting both. The win feels great and the criticism doesn't take away its sweetness. Imho, the criticism is warranted and welcomed. The end result we want is a super bowl ring. It's not a squeaked out win that continues to illustrate our vulnerabilities. We are 6-2 with much work ahead, glaring defensive holes, and a sputtering inconsistent offense. We won despite it which says a lot about the character of the team. Why isn't ok to criticize and compliment?
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I think this is a Jets upset. Bills are not playing well, have a ton of injuries, and are facing the Jets a second time on the road. Ugly and sloppy game.
Jets 20 and Bflo 19.
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9 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:
Well Frazier and McDermott are starting the guy that you claim has “sucked since he’s taken the field as a Bill.” So they think he’s playing good enough to be there so you must not trust their judgement either. Smh
Seeing what Norman has left? Did they ignore his time in Washington where everyone and their mom saw him struggle in man for years? Did they forget his strengths and weaknesses from when they had him in Carolina?
Oliver is still young. It's too early to give up on him. Doesn't mean he hasn't sucked! He has been a great disappearing act thus far.. Maybe ***** Norman is the best we have under the circumstances? What do you suggest coach Karlos?
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14 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:
Why are Frazier and McDermott playing Josh Norman in man if they know how to use the strengths of their players? Why are the blitzing players that suck at blitzing?
If you just started watching oliver in the last few games I could see saying that he hasn’t been good but saying he’s had no impact since being drafted is flat out wrong. He was progressing towards the end of the year and had a huge impact in the Dallas game.
You are grasping at straws. Oliver has basically sucked since he's taken the field as a Bill. You need to get way more production out of a top ten pick. Norman was playing due to injuries and lack of depth. Maybe they are assessing what he has in the tank. Frankly, I'll trust Fraizer and McDermott's judgement over yours. The proof is in the success that they have had with our defense.
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2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:
Coaches are playing Oliver out of position in the 1 tech a lot taking on blockers. A 280lb NT is going to struggle.
I don't buy this notion. Frazier and McDermott know how to use the strengths of their players. Simply put, Oliver stinks right now. He has had little to no impact since being drafted. Maybe there is a reason why he dropped to us.
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1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:
What arrogance? Stating what I'd like to see. Not convinced it will happen. Good teams beat up bad teams, if you can't do that you're probably not that good.
I wasn't directing the arrogance statement towards you. I apologize for that. I should have left that out of my response to you. It was more directed towards others.
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10 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:
I want to see a blowout. Analytically, beating up bad teams is what good teams do. Its okay to lose to the Chiefs by 9 points, make some corrections for round 2 in January, fine. But if we're being predictive it's a red flag if we have to squeak by a Jets team in obvious tank mode with a lame duck HC.
I get we are a much better team than the jets. Yet, I am taking nothing for granted. Currently, we are playing poorly on both sides of the ball, playing a divisional opponent, and albeit on the road. This is by no means a "free square." Upsets happen every week and the best team doesn't always win. Don't get me wrong, I'm expecting a W but this over confidence and arrogant talk isn't appealing to this fan.
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25 minutes ago, Figster said:
Every performance will always be broken down play by play and scrutinized.
I don't think you will find very many Bills fans actually trashing Josh Allen who is ranked in the top 5 in the NFL in almost every major category.
I think when he plays we'll it's warranted to give him the praise. Vice versa. The first 4 games he was the best two QBs in the league. The last two games he's at the bottom end of QB performances. I think quality of opponent has a lot to do with it. A QB will always be in the spotlight good or bad. Allen is young and talented. With that, comes the good and the bad. Not really sure how he ends up in the history books. With that said, I'm excited his
talent, growth, leadership, attitude, etc. I haven't been able to realistically say that about a Bills QB in many many years.
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9 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:
As others have noted we got smaller and less physical on the D-line compared to last year and it shows on the field.
Oliver is the key. We talk about what a disaster missing on Allen would be and IMO we haven't as Allen is a franchise QB. But we used a #7 pick on Allen and we used I believe a #9 pick for Oliver in 2019. A top 10 pick has to produce or it's a real problem. So far Oliver has under performed and that has got to change.
One other point, how much of the LB's problems are tied to a D-line that can't occupy the opponents O-line allowing them to release and blast our LB's?
Oliver and Edmunds seem to be trending as busts. Still too early but both haven't lived up to expectations. We really needed them to step up. Oliver barely gets his name called in a game. Edmunds is constantly out of position or missing tackles. I'm no expert but I really don't think it's the coaches or the scheme. They have been successful with it for a few years now. The common denominator is the players. The offense is going to have to win us games.
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3 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:
If you are right and Allen is half way between his first 4 games and the last 2 then he is a top 10 QB.
If accuracy was such a fixed constant then how could Allen be over 70% through his first 4 games? And he was at or near the top of the NFL in average yards per attempt while doing that. I could buy a hopelessly inaccurate QB getting lucky for a game or two but not 4 in a row. And don't forget that the Bills led the NFL in drops through those 4 games.
Last night was a classic weather game that causes a drop in most QB's accuracy. Mahomes was accurate because he is the best QB in the NFL, faced one of the worst defenses in the NFL and his team has the horses to execute a pounding rushing attack and short passing game. This last bit requires a dominating TE and RB. We have neither.
If you look at Allen's accuracy it's gotten substantially better his last 17 games versus his first 16 games. Ditto for the number of TD throws and the reduction in his INT's. That's a pretty decent sample size.
But the reality is that Allen isn't there yet. We hoped that he could keep up the pace of the first 4 games. Obviously that's not going to happen. But by the end of this year we'll see a QB that has improved greatly from last year.
Next year is the year the Bills make their move. The goal for this year is to have the young guys keep improving and to win the division. Anything more is icing on the cake.
Fair post. I disagree with our goal is to win the division and anything else is icing on the cake. Prior to the start of the season I expected the Bills to win the division. On paper, we have the best team. Last year we made a nice playoff run and just fell short. Making the playoffs and losing the first game is not progress to me. Making a deep playoff run should be our expectation. One and done isn't progress.
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11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't think anyone is putting him in that conversation. I mean sure he was in the MVP conversation through 4 weeks but as for in that competition with the 2 best Quarterbacks in the league? Not sure anyone put him there.
For sure Bill. I'm not sure you can even put him in the top 10 category. He flashes signs of greatness while reverting back to poor footwork and inaccurate passes. His potential and ceiling is quite high but in the end accuracy almost always reigns supreme. The first 4 games he was playing perhaps beyond sustainability. The last two games he's been quite awful. I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
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1 hour ago, Big C said:
What bothers me most about this game, I think, is that we still had a chance to get a stop and get the ball back down 6 and two of our top players - including one team captain - took an unnecessary roughness penalty. Poyer's was absolutely inexcusable. Where is the leadership? They need to get it together.
Very true. Honestly, we had no business winning that game. It would have been highway robbery if we won. I just wanted a chance to see if we could have won. The ability for our defense not to stop them in the end was heartbreaking.
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10 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:
Tonight we saw rookie Josh. No confidence or accuracy early. And as usual in big games it seems like he gets wound way too tight. Maybe he was all jacked playing Mahomes and all his challenges to Josh. As I said in another post Josh is not as good as we saw weeks 1-4 and he's not as bad as these last 2 weeks. We just need more consistency out of him. This is year 3 when excuses are over.
Well said.
9 hours ago, Do The Reich Thing said:Josh needs to play better against the bigger and better opponents, no doubt. He has failed miserably in this aspect throughout his young career. Elite QBs don’t go 14-27 for 122
Hard to argue with that statement.
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2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:
I disagree about Allen. First off he did not look like he did in 2018 against the Titans. I think people who say this don't have a clear memory of how Allen struggled throwing the ball that year. The last two games Allen has looked like he did last season. But that has also been against teams with a combined 10- 1 record. I'm not concerned about Allen if this year he has 5 or 6 games where he plays like he did last year and 10 or 11 games where he plays better then last year. So far he's 4 - 2.
I agree we are not an elite team. This year will be a success if:
* we can win the AFC East and win a playoff game
* continue to see Allen improve
* get a read on or see Oliver, Edmunds, Singletery, Ford & Knox improve.
Frankly, my biggest concern right now is with Ed Oliver. He was the 9th pick in the draft in 2019 and he has not played well at DT. Missing with Oliver is almost as damaging as missing with Allen and for the record we didn't miss with Allen. He's the guy.
Solid post. I disagree with your assessment of Allen in these last two games. He looked every bit of a young rookie QB. Tonight, the first play of the game was clear evidence of this. Pass after pass was inaccurate with poor footwork. The numbers don't lie either. They were horrendous. Without looking it up he was like 6-15 with 25 yards passing. The end result was 14-27 122 2 tds 1 int..To boot he throws an int finishing the game. My eyeball test saw a carbon copy of the raw QB we drafted. I don't know how anyone can't be worried about Allen. Hate to be a Debbie downer. I just think it's best for this forum to hear all opinions. What I dislike is people often get upset if you say something bad about the team. I'm a diehard fan and very much support the team.
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The two games show me we are not an elite team. Also, a bad Texans team had the Titans beat. The sky isn't falling but there is lots of smoke in the air.
41 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:Four observations:
1) Defenses have figured out that to beat Buffalo's offense you need to take away the aggressive throws downfield to the WR's. The last two weeks they've gotten away with taking away our offensive strength because the Bills RB's and TE's are not dangerous enough to make you pay the price for keeping your safeties way back in coverage.
2) I don't think it's so much that Allen has regressed as the O-line has regressed. They can't run block and Allen took a beating tonight. I think I saw one clean pocket the whole night And the negative yardage on run plays is inexcusable. A turning point in this game was when we came out of the two minute warning in the first half and had a 2nd & 3 at the Chiefs 45 yard line we lost 6 yards on a run! This put us in 3rd & 9 and we have way to many 3rd and longs.
3) The next two weeks will tell us whether the ship will be righted or we're passengers on the Titanic. Win these games and they are very winnable and we go to 6 - 2 and give NE at least 4 loses at the half way point. It would also put us in a commanding lead in the East.
4) We've lost back to back games to two teams that are a combined 10 - 1. Now is not the time to panic. If we lose the next 2 games then we can run down the street screaming the sky is falling.
The last two games clearly show we are not elite. Don't know how anyone can dispute that. Allen has clearly regressed. Just ask yourself if you have thought OMG he looks like he did in his rookie year. Mostly it's an accuracy issue with poor footwork. Yes, it doesn't help that we can't run nor protect him. The defense is just not good. Even when we were winning it wasn't good. We can't cover tight ends, can't stop the run, and we aren't very good on 3rd downs. Lots of season to see if we can turn things around. I'm most concerned with Allen.
Daniel Jones---bust?
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He is young and it's still a bit early to call him a bust. I don't think he's a franchise QB and he certainly shouldn't have been drafted that early. I think he can be a serviceable QB to a slightly above average QB.