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5 hours ago, Pokebball said:
Not sure I agree with this take. OK, I know I don't agree with this take. Execution is a team game and the execution around any player certainly allows that player to execute in a better way. Additionally, what do they say, steel sharpens steel. Having good coaches and good players in the program supports much better and deeper growth of all of them.
That's true but I believe it's taken a bit of of contexts. We are talking elite and franchise Qbs. Take a look at Tyrod, Teddy, Fitz, Geoff, Cousins, Cam, Jimmy G, etc...Elite and franchise doesn't apply.
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43 minutes ago, Rockinon said:
Yeah, I don't see KC scoring 38 on our D. Even if Milano is out. The difference is going to be disruption from our DLine. To this point the Bills D looks legit.
I think you have to look at the Bills D and the opposing offenses. Pitt and Houston are horrible. Miami lost Tua and had to play Brissett on a whim. Wash offense looks decent. I think it's fair to say the Bills D hasn't faced a quality offensive team. Obviously, nothing like the Chiefs. The Chiefs have lost mainly because their defense isn't good. Their offense is still one of the best in the league, they know how to beat the Bills, and they have Kelce who the Bills have no answer. The defense looks very promising but up front they are still very young. I'm not sure they can pressure Mahomes to win the game. I think he will shred the Bills defense. Similarly, Allen should do the same. However, Reid and the Chiefs seem to know how to shut down the Bills offense. In summary, the Bills D will be tested by an offensive juggernaut. I'm not confident the Bills can slow down their offense. Additionally, I believe the Bills D really hasn't been tested because of their opponents.
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16 minutes ago, Gugny said:
They're also giving up over 31 points/game and have scored exactly as many points through four weeks as the Bills.
And yes ... I do think we've closed the gap. Just because they have a better QB and a better TE, it doesn't mean they're the better team.
Fair enough.
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12 hours ago, Gugny said:
Based on what, exactly?
They have a super bowl MVP QB, the best tight end in the league, a hall a fame coach, a young dynamic runner, Chris Jones, Houston, Frank Clark, and the honey bagder. Additionally, they have owned the Bills. Do you really think we closed the gap?
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No doubt team talent can help or hurt a Qbs development. You have cited valid examples. However, a mediocre QB with a very talented team will never be elite or a franchise QB. I think that's the distinction I'm trying to make. Herbert looks elite but its too early for me to declare it.
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2 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:
You're right in the sense that if the individual has talent it will be evident regardless of the presence of talent or lack thereof. But I do feel you're mistaken if you think that not having quality players around you won't accelerate your development as a QB. How's Sam Darnold doing now that he's on a squad with good skill players on both sides of the ball? He looks like a totally different player now that he's off that dumpster fire of a team in New Jersey. How do think Herbert would be doing on the Jets? I'm sure he'd show glimpses of promise, but success? Doubt it.
Herbert is very good and at this stage and it's fair to say he's farther along than Allen was in his 2nd year. He also has the benefit the Bills had last year as an under the radar team that no one took seriously until they snuck up on everybody. I'm not stamping "Elite" status upon him until he makes the post season and wins a couple games. His arrow is definitely pointing up though. 👍 Glad he's not in the AFCE.
Good response. 👍
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18 hours ago, Process said:
We scored two touchdowns in the AFCCG. One where started on the 5 yard line after a fumble. The other in garbage time.
Allen, who was a superstar all year, shrunk in both games vs KC. McDermott coached scared. We got outcoached, outplayed, completely outclassed.
We will likely spend most of this season blowing out garbage teams. Won't mean anything if we can't beat KC. This game is huge.
Sadly, I agree. However, I'm not going to get down on the team if they lose. I expect them to lose. KC is a better team, playing at home, and can't afford to lose.
The Bills will win the division easily and I'm hoping they march into the playoffs playing strongly. This game will be a decent measuring stick. However, its too early to declare the Bills a bust or super bowl winners.
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19 hours ago, Ayjent said:
That line sounds about right. The Bills haven't played but one really good offensive game. The Defense has been really good, but the Offenses they faced are not anywhere near the Chiefs. The Bills will have to be able to maintain drives and come away with TDs, executing better than they have outside of the WFT game. A good barometer game for both teams.
Agree 100%. The Bills D has faced a terrible Pitt offense, Miami isn't much better and Tua got hurt, WFT are decent, and the Texans enough said. We will see how good the defense really is in Arrowhead. I don't believe the Bills will slow down their offense. The Bills just aren't a good match up vs the Chiefs. Kelce cannot be stopped, CEH shouldn't bad as effective with Star in the middle. Mahomes and Reid know how to beat the Bills.
On the other hand, I think the Chiefs defense is very beatable. The Bills should be able to score. However, they need to change up the game plan. The Chiefs defensive game plan was outstanding against the Bills last year. I believe the threat of a run game is vitato beat the Chiefs. Some quick passes and screens too. Limit the 5 WR formation.
I don't see a Bills win in Arrowhead. The Chiefs will outscore the Bills. They really need the win. I'm laying the 3.5 points and betting big on the Chiefs.
KC. 38
Bills. 28
19 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:I don't want to be a homer, but I see us coming into this game like a house on fire. I think this may be the best Bills team to face the Chiefs in awhile. I see a motivated football team taking this one by the horns.
My biggest concern is Milano's injury. But guys like Taron Johnson can pick up the slack covering Kelce, and its good to know the team has played w/o Milano recently even if it was not our best.
I highly respect this Chiefs team, but i think 3rd times the charm.
Spoken like a true homer.
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1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said:
You can't compare QB's like Mahomes, Mayfield, Jackson, and yes Herbert to someone like Josh Allen. They all were drafted and stepped into already established quality rosters ready to contend from the jump. Imagine if Allen had Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Jarvis Landry, OBJ to throw to as a rookie. How about being able to hand it off to Nick Chubb, Hunt, Ekeler, Ingram, Edwards? Or having a Bosa, Garrett, Derwin James or any Ravens top defender?
Allen had Kelvin Benjamin, Robert Foster and Zay Jones at WR. Frank Gore, Chris Ivory and an older McCoy at RB. Charles Clay and Jason Croom at TE.🤣
This is what sets Allen apart from the others. You felt and kinda knew he was going to be special even before there was any real talent on the team. Imagine how much farther along he would be if he stepped into a quality roster as a rookie like Herbert, Jackson and Mayfield?
This is why I liken Allen to Tarzan. As the saying goes, No Man Started Off With Less. FTR: I think Herbert is an outstanding young QB and easily the best QB from his draft class.
I think you are confusing and mudding the arguments. Yes, Herbert went into a better situation than Josh and others. Still that doesn't mitigant his talent or performance. It's not far to use the talent around him as an excuse that lessens his talent. I see Herbert as very close to Allen's level. He was very good against the Chiefs and the Raiders. Make some great reads and throws, stayed cool in the pocket, make some big 4th down conversions, and looked like a leader with great confidence.
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2 hours ago, QCity said:
As of today Herbert is not at Allen's level, that seems like a silly argument.
But I'm trying to think of rookie QB in the last 7-8 years that's looked better at this stage and I'm coming up blank. Mahomes had a year to sit on the bench and learn. It didn't truly click for Allen until year 3. Murray is just starting to come into his own in year 3 also. The rookie QB class this year is getting absolutely wrecked. And to top it off, he wasn't even supposed to start his rookie year (Tyrod did, lol), so he didn't even get the benefit of running with the 1's in practice. It's just so difficult for a rookie QB to come in and play right away in this era. Impressive stuff, and when Herbert get more experience he's going to be scary.
What makes you say Herbert isn't at Allen's level? Josh's legs are better but other than that I think it's pretty close. Both are outstanding young qbs.
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1 minute ago, Process said:
Eh, only three teams with a realistic chance IMO. I guess 4 if you want to count the Ravens.
NFC more wide open.
AFC: KC, Clev, Balt, SD, Bflo, and Tenn.
NFC: Tampa, Dallas, L.A., Seattle, and Ariz.
No particular order. Not sure NFC is more wide open.
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Chargers look like super bowl contenders. Remember, last year they were hot at the end of the season. No one wanted to play them in the playoffs. Last week, they beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead.
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Just now, Buffalo619 said:
Edmunds made a play!! Lets go!!
Love it after all the ***** fans give him.
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Just now, Steel City Mafia said:
Was last week a fluke for Allen?
Hope not.
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Just now, TheFunPolice said:
Allen is way off so far
He looks terrible.
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Great defensive stop.
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Josh horrible throw. Wow
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On 10/1/2021 at 5:00 AM, BigBuff423 said:
I was talking with a friend and originally I believed this would be a blow-out win for the Bills, but history tells me to be cautious...so, given KC and Tenn. on the horizon and the fact that I'm still holding my "Bills Trauma" for 20 years, I'll predict this to be a closer game than I first believed.
Bills 27
Texans 20
Josh runs for a TD, throws for a TD and Singletary gets about 77 yards rushing with a TD; Moss has about 140 yards of total offense, but is kept out of the Endzone for game planning reasons. Josh throws an INT, Defense gets 3 sacks, one forced fumble and recovery and holds Texans ground game in check but Davis gets Cooks a TD and their TE a TD with the two field goals coming within the 30 for the Texans - a bend but don't break mentality in the 3rd quarter leads to the two field goals, one TD in the early 2nd quarter and one TD in the 4th quarter. It takes Bills' Defense to buckle down and hold the Texans, Bills get ball with ~3:00 minutes left and clock it out....weather plays a role, and I think Josh and some of the young players are still learning how to focus on the only game that matters: the one they're playing, but gut it out and win.
I disagree here. The Bills will blowout the Texans. The offense wants to be hitting on all cylinders before the next game. The Texans are the perfect team for that. Their defense should offer little credible stopping power. I look for a huge game from Allen and Diggs.
The Texans are horrible on offense with their Tyrod QB injury. The Bills defense is playing at a high level. I see plenty of sack and picks. A pick 6 isn't put of the question.
Bills 38 Texans 13
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9 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
After the game on Sunday I was thinking about just how far Josh has come in the last 2 years. I remembered the week 4 loss to the Pats*** in 2019 when he threw 3 picks and how his career numbers were pretty bad up to that point. Following that week 4 loss in 2019, Josh had 13 Passing TDs & 18 INTs in 15 career starts. In his 31 starts since he's had 61 Passing TDs & only 14 INTs. That's just a ridiculous improvement.
It's most impressive how he's improved his accuracy. His arm talent was never in question. In fact, Mayock and Hassleback stated that Allen had the biggest upside. The Bills swung for the fences and hit a home run. Gotta give Beane and company credit. His strides forward are off the charts. Last year's jump was phenomenal. I'm not sure there has been a bigger QB improvement in the history of the NFL.
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4 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:
What are you debating?
* That Allen is or isn't a franchise QB? IMO there is no debate here - he is the Bills franchise QB.
* That Allen is a top 10 QB? Again IMO there is no debate here. He is a top 10 QB. Now I also think he's a top 5 QB but that is a reasonable place for debate.
And for the record Allen didn't play poorly in the first two games. He was average. And if he's only average through an entire season then yes we have cause for concern. But after two games there was no reason for anyone to get down on Allen and the offense.
Fair question. I wasnt debating if Allen is a franchise QB or a top tier QB. No doubt he is the future of the Bills. I'm glad he is the Bills QB.
I was trying to say he may be regressing and used the last 2-4 games as examples, may not play up to last year's level, has a short sample of games that reflect greatness, and he did play poorly in the first 2 games.
Of course you and others disagree with much of my points. I'm ok with that. The counter arguments are valid but no means evidence that my points aren't correct. The evidence will be presented on the field. The Washington game certainly put a great dent into my points. No one is more happier about that then me.
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Just now, 78thealltimegreat said:
I absolutely love that TE screen the Cowboys just ran would love to see Daboll add one or two of those to the Bills offense
He did a some short like passes to Beasley that were effective. He mixed up the play calling well vs Wash.
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At first fiance, the cowboy defense had looked good. Dan Quinn has done a nice job. Last year the cowboy defense was leaking.
Nothing screams elite or franchise about Hurts. He is serviceable. Sure glad to have Allen on the Bills.
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1 minute ago, qwksilver said:
Diggs is killing it
He sure looks very good so far.
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2 hours ago, WideNine said:
With all the grief we piled onto the o-line the first few weeks it is only fair to acknowledge when they elevate their game.
Pretty solid game all around - Williams draws some fierce pass rushers so a lot is riding on his play, but I felt he created space - often riding Sweat deep and out of the picture. Our interior o-line had a gritty performance and did a lot of unsung things both allowing Allen to step up and/or around the rush, and opening running lanes. Dawkins is gradually getting back to lockdown performance on Allen's blind side.
Not that they have not played hard or been effective individually here and there in fits and starts, but they needed to play much better as a unit and they did.
Nice job guys.
Agree. Not sure why all the gloom and doom about the Bills Oline. It's only 3 games and last game was much improved. It's a long season and they should be very good come crunch time.
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Week 5: Bills at Chiefs on SNF
in The Stadium Wall
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I'm not willing to go that far but you do make fair points. Josh has been mostly average which is still better rhan most QBs. He's better than 2019 based on experience alone. He doesn't turn the ball over nearly as much. His maturity is pretty clear. With that, he dies need to play better. Especially, this Sunday against a weak KC defense.
Edmunds is average and I can see why you don't agree with the signing.
The Oline is a concern for obvious reasons.
Strongly disagree with your Knox take. He has played really well. He looks to be a solid piece on the offense.
Love coach McD. He is a great leader and has the respect of the players. They play hard for him and he has the team ready to play. I believe the Pitt game was a one off. Also, I think the coaching staff makes great halftime adjustments. Daboll is very good. It's easy to point the finger at the offensive coordinator. He will always be scape goat's. Imho, the Bills are fortunate to have him.
Lastly, the Bills do have a chance. I'm expecting a loss but a win isn't out of the question. KC defense is very beatable. A great game plan and execution is needed.