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Curious....What do you mean by "enabler" in this context? Kyle Allen's fiancee Summer Juraszyk and Josh Allen's former girlfriend Britt were apparently close friends.... I had the thought when the Bills signed him, "AWKward... do the QB and girlfriends, still take the same limo to the Halloween party?" Even if a good Polish name like Juraszyk does fit in fine with Buffalo

ohkay...but you responded to my post (in which I said that) All good....

I think the context in which that was said might be relevant to whether or not it's unreasonable

I'm sure he does "feel the heat". I think every HC "feels the heat", including HC who have just won the Superbowl. Consider Kubiak with Denver. 2015: not only gets to the Superbowl with The Ghost of Peyton Manning plus Brock Osweiler starting 7 games, he wins! 2016: 9-7. 2017: Out the door. As "Son of Bum" quipped, "2 years from the Superbowl to the Unemployment Line" (and he had a #4 ranked defense that year, too).

It would be helpful if you would link to the video you're talking about, so that we can all be sure we're watching the same thing. Can you document the bolded "gave McDermott praise many times last year"? With regard to your comment "He also stated its hard to win in the NFL. I recall a prior HC pilloried on this site for saying the exact same words. ": Jauron's record as HC of the Bills was .421 as follows : 24 wins and 33 losses, 3 consecutive 7-9 seasons followed by 3-6 at the time he was fired. No playoff appearances with those records, of course. McDermott's record as HC of the Bills is 0.64 as follows: 73 wins and 41 losses, 9-7, 6-10, 10-6, 13-3, 11-6, 13-3, 11-6 Do you think perhaps reaction to any "it's hard to win in this league" comments might be legitimately viewed differently if McDermott said that 73 wins and the 5 consecutive years in the playoffs? What I think is that you ought to consider taking up a hobby. Crochet is interesting, I hear**, or Philately. **disclaimer: I do not, myself, know how to crochet, so can not personally verify the interest or lack of interest

Who is their offensive line again?

Did he look good in shorts? Meanwhile, of course, Mahomes does nothing every minute of every day but try to get better at football....that would explain how Mahomes has a golf handicap of 7.7 or 7.5 or whatever it is...never works on his golf stroke at all, just holds WR camps <==Sar Chasm I've actually never heard this. Factually, Josh has had 3 OCs: - -one through his first 4 seasons -one through the next 1.5 seasons -now a third

So here's my take and maybe I'm all wrong. The problem I see with not being able to blow by corners, is in some games, notably playoff games, if the refs aren't calling DH and DPI, corners just muscle and hinder our guys and they can't get open. A couple years ago, the Bills almost never saw man during the regular season, because Brown could burn man deep (unless there was a lot of uncalled mugging), Diggs could break their ankles, and there was usually a good outlet in Beasley unless they bracketed him. In 2022, McKenzie could KILL man. But last year, IIRC the Bills saw a huge amount of man coverage, because we lacked guys who could blow by corners or kill them short. No one could get open against man. We need that element back in our game. We didn't have a problem, but possibly we should have had one?

Seriously? YIKES! https://www.nfl.com/prospects/ladd-mcconkey/32004d43-4351-2833-c30c-76941288e843 Now, I will say that Diggs was projected as a slot in the NFL with comments like these: "Doesn't possess the strength or long speed to make a living as an outside receiver, but he can be an extremely effective weapon from the slot as a pro.....Must prove he can win as route runner against quality cornerbacks. Play strength is below par. Gets muscled around by physical defenders. Very aware of oncoming traffic and will stop routes to avoid big hits. Gives moderate effort as a blocker, but rarely ends up getting his man blocked." Diggs can certainly win as a route runner against top CBs, but he does get muscled around by physical defenders still.

Here is the actual transcript from the video you linked at the time stamp you quoted. Steve Tasker: "Jordan, in Josh's work with you this off season, did he have to change his regimen in any way at the outset, knowing that he played through the UCL injury?" JP: "Guys who are starters, who are playing in January - not everyone plays football in January - and guys who have ownership of their stroke, not working on throwing a consistent spiral....those guys start a lot later. Those guys don't need to throw year-round, recovery is as valuable as getting extra work in used to be" (conversation then switches to discussion of Josh's UCL injury, what Palmer talks about during the season, etc). Palmer never said he doesn't work with Josh any more during the off season (which stretches until end of July, please recall) or Josh doesn't work on mechanics during the off season. What he said is Josh didn't need to start as early as he used to and that recovery is as valuable as extra work used to be. And especially since Josh has played through injuries to his throwing elbow and platform the past two seasons, that is almost certainly true. You are truly making stuff up with some of what you post, and the interviews you share as justification actually don't support your statements. Starting to work in February or early March (or not) is not the same thing as "not working as hard in the off season". It's not doing the same work, at the same time, as he used to. I understand that distinction is lost on you. t's OK, not everyone can master nuance and pay attention to details. (Though really, you'll have a better life, calmer, more peaceful, if you try) As far as what would or wouldn't upset me, I thought I laid it out very clearly in a post up-thread: I really don't GAF if Josh is throwing or lifting weights in February or March. To the extent that I would care, I think he should rest and rehab. Where it's clear to me that Josh needs to take the next step, where McDermott has said he needs to take the next step, is with his on-field decision making. I don't know how you work on that in shorts in April or May or June or July. But that's the work that needs to be done for Josh to level-up.

You're right, it's not that complicated. You aren't saying "does Josh do all the work in the off season that he used to do?" You're saying "does Josh still work as hard in the off season?" and throwing in statements like "he doesn't work with Jordan Palmer" "he doesn't work on mechanics" "he doesn't watch film" - none of which are supported by the actual words said in actual interviews. Those are different statements. That's why you're being called out You're welcome.

Exactly. What Josh actually said is that he doesn't start working immediately after the season any more - that he used to start "working out like OTAs" immediately after the season ended, and now he wants to rest. Jordan Palmer also said in an interview, Josh doesn't need to start working immediately because he is "master of his stroke" but sounded as though he did work with Josh, just later on in the off-season. Judging from other things Josh has said, like "I feel like I didn't do anything on a group project and got an A" after the Dallas game where he had 15 pass attempts but scored two (2) TD, I don't know but could also see Josh not feeling that working on "stretch and strengthen" flexibility or water rehab or stuff is real "working out" It's notable Josh has had injuries to his throwing arm and shoulder the last 2 seasons, which likely required an off-season program of PT and rehab. Others have pointed out that it would be surprising if the team didn't actually lay out activity restrictions on him in the initial off-season to permit full healing. The team starts Phase I of OTAs in mid-April. Training camp starts at the end of July. Josh can not be working out until he's "back in Buffalo" for Phase I OTAs and still be working out and throwing for 3 1/2 months before training camp - we don't know that, from anything Josh has said. Thanks for the link. No, you did not. Show the actual quote. My point is we don't know what Josh is or is not working on.

Except none of that is what Josh has actually said. But we've been over the details of what was actually said vs how you're interpreting it multiple times, including (when it was originally brought up) pretty careful transcripts along with an explanation of what the Bills off-season schedule actually is. So I think it's a pretty good inference that you're unconcerned with the facts of what was actually said. You've got your viewpoint, and You're Sticking To It.

The real problem IMHO isn't the rules, it's the lack of consistency in refereeing and enforcing them. One game it's a false start or an illegal formation, the next game it isn't Or maybe it's not an illegal formation until most of the way through the game, then at the end of the game suddenly it is It's DPI and the announcers declaim "they're going to call that every time", except, no, they don't. The NFL could fix this if they chose, the don't choose.

I don't understand your question in the context of my post. I said "But you don't hit the shot you don't take. Time for the Bills to shoot their shot at WR." and "In my mind, we're not trying to replace Diggs, we're trying to draft a guy who can give us a 1-2 punch WITH Diggs, and who has the potential to develop as a future #1 (not to walk in the door and hit it)."

I guess I'd summarize my feelings as "cautiously optimistic", but I really won't know what to think until after the draft. Given how far over the cap we were heading into the season, I've been cautiously by the moves that have been made. I was afraid loyalty would win over Cold Hard Football Facts with regard to Poyer and to choosing between Rasul Douglas and Tre White. I like Curtis Samuel as a FA signing far more than Deonte Harty, which was a big dice-roll to me last season. I expected "OMG Swiss Cheese Everywhere on Defense", and I think Beane has done a good strategic job at filling holes. Speaking of Harty, I was also pleased that Beane acknowledged the failure of the Harty and Nyheim Hines moves and cut line. (Sometimes GMs fall in love with their own work and lobby for more chances and time) Assuming Milano comes back somewhere near himself and Von Miller at least improves to decent, the front 7 on our defense looks OK. The biggest gap is at DE, where we lost the team leader on sacks in Floyd (10.5). Are we counting on Epenesa and Rousseau to step up? And, we definitely need depth at DE. As far as DB, we have Johnson, Douglas, and Benford back which were our best DB, but Elam is still a big question mark. Speaking of questionmark, I think Edwards looks like the sort of signing they made when they acquired Poyer and Hyde in 2017, but I don't trust Rapp as the other pairing there, and again, we need depth. But I don't think a lot of fans appreciate how far Hyde and Poyer had declined last season. They still had all the smarts, but not the range. So on defense: questions at DE, need depth at DT; questions at safety and need depth at DB. On offense, I consider center a giant (6'6", see what I did there?) questionmark. McGovern really hasn't played center on the regular in the NFL and acknowledges where he did, it was with a different blocking technique. And, if the coaches thought Edwards was a better LG than McGovern, it follows they would have started him at LG last season - so I feel that we've downgraded at LG, potentially at LG and C (we'll see). We definitely need depth at IOL and tackle, and IMHO we need a RT to develop behind Brown. I still feel we cover for him in pass plays with a TE or 6th OLman. I am under-impressed by the Clapp signing, other than it does give us a guy who has actually taken substantial Center snaps in the NFL as an option but that 3.75 RAS score has me SMH. I like the Curtis Samuel signing, but I still feel we need a boundary receiver. On ST, wtf was wrong with Bass and can he recover? And it's concerning that we signed Haack, while Martin's salary is guaranteed. As far as ST goes, I was actually surprised at how solid the core was. I felt it was kind of a global reset, losing Neal, Dodson, Matekavich, and Sherfield and with Rapp possibly playing more defensive snaps and fewer ST. But when I looked at the ST snaps, Gilliam, Cam Lewis, Q Morris, and Dorian Williams are all still here, and we've signed good ST contributors in Mack Hollins and Nick Morrow. So I feel better about the ST core than I thought I would at this point. I understand the people who feel the current team is weaker, but I wonder how they felt in 2021, when the Bills were basically trying to "run it back" with the same cast? Sometimes that works, and sometimes it doesn't, and in 2021 it fell short. I think that Beane has overall done a good job dealing the cards he had, but we are going into the draft Needing a couple picks to step up and pan out, and Needing a couple guys currently on the roster to level-up for the Bills to be more competitive. And of course, the biggest unknown on the Bills, is Joe Brady and his QB coach acolyte Ronald Curry. It *looked* as though Allen was more comfortable with Brady last season, but how well Curry will work with him is a big unknown

Good point on "when only week 8 on count...." Yes, Josh overthrew Diggs....there was also that bomb in the playoffs that it really looked as though Diggs could have caught, and he's stated "that's one I wish I had back". Diggs also has 8 scored drops. Diggs is undoubtedly a very good WR still

Yeah, but these workouts with Mahomes are not part of those 30 team visits.

So how'd it work out for that 2018 California college QB who talked trash? "9 mistakes drafted before me" "I'm going to win more rings than Tom Brady"? I

This year's savings would depend upon how much of his fully guaranteed salary a trade partner would take on, and it would mean shoving $22M dead cap into next season. I don't think we want to do that, personally. Whether that would make sense, would depend upon whether the Bills think they can field a competitive offense with whatever rookie and late FA pickups they might make, and what (after the draft) the trade partner is willing to offer. Also "week 8 on", the whole season does actually count. But to @FireChans, feel free to present your data.

You might be correct. Unlike this season, the Bills would actually save cap space ($22.75M dead cap vs. $27.85M on roster). Also unlike this season, Diggs only has $3.5M of his 2025 salary guaranteeing on the new league year, which gives both the Bills and any potential trade partners more leverage negotiating with him. I think it depends upon how he plays and how the receivers we acquire play. Hopefully the answer is "well" to both, and we trade him off for something reasonable.

Would you kindly explain why you believe TD per reception, or TD "efficiency on a per catch basis", is a useful metric to assess a WR? Because in all seriousness, I don't Get It. In 4 years, Justin Jefferson has 30 TD in 392 receptions. In 4 years, Gabe Davis has 27 TD in 163 receptions Would you seriously try to assert that anyone would rather have Gabe Davis on their roster instead of Justin Jefferson, because the former is "more efficient on a per-catch basis"? Curtis Samuel has been playing the slot. I don't think any sane Bills fan would argue that Cole Beasley didn't make significant receiving contributions to the Bills in his 3 seasons on the team and his 231 receptions, but OMG! he only scored 11 TD! How inefficient! Golly gee.....maybe slot WR don't contribute as many TDs when space is condensed in the red zone and it's harder for them to do their bread-and-butter "find holes in zone"? This reminds me of my younger 'n dumber days when I said something to someone about not earning too much money so I didn't have to pay more taxes. The guy I said it to gave me a look like I had swiss cheese for brains and said "I think you've got it mixed, you still have more money". Receiving yards matter. 1D matter. Sure, TD matter, but there are all sorts of tricks and tendencies for players we don't normally see on the field to get utilized there. TD per reception just doesn't sound like a useful metric. Travis Kelce has 74 TD on 907 receptions, How Inefficient, Throw the Bum Out.

Changed user name from Joe in Winslow. Now it makes sense.

Right on. And here's the thing, they need to be prepared to take a couple of shots on goal to get one in, not necessarily with 2 high draft picks this year, but 1 high and 1 later this year then 1 high and one later next year as well. We drafted RBs in the 3rd or 2nd round 3 years in a row, after all.

I looked at his twitter trying to find it and couldn't, but I think it was something like "take a pay cut" or "give back some of your money" or something. Here's the point from a business perspective: the guys on the Bills who did take a pay cut, Von and Knox, were guys whose performance this past season was objectively far below where they were paid, making them poor ROI. They also had little or no guaranteed salary. So it made sense to both sides: the team gets some cap relief, the player gets incentives he can "bet on himself" to achieve, and the player gets future guarantees. Diggs, on the other hand, can construct an argument that he's still a top-10 WR in the league and maybe has fallen off a bit from where he's paid, but not much. And, if he just sat tight, his salary fully guaranteed on the 5th day of the new league year. So the Bills really don't have a great case, or much leverage, for asking him to take a pay cut. And, most of his unpalatable cap hit is previous restructures, and money already paid to him as option or restructure bonuses. He ain't taking money he's already been paid out of his bank account to give to the Bills, and even if the NFLPA allowed this (don't think they do) it would be ridiculous business practice for the Bills to ask an employee to return contracted $$ they've already been paid. I don't think the Bills offered to restructure Diggs salary to bonuses, thus pushing cap hit into their future plans. They usually, AFAIK, don't need the players' permission for that type of restructure since it doesn't change their yearly renumeration at all. I agree with whoever said it - might have been @GunnerBill, or @BarleyNY - I think the Bills NOT restructuring Diggs salary is a sign his time in B'lo is winding down. Might be 2025, might be 2026, but they will move on.