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Oh, OK, taking a knee

Jags need to stop the Chiefs from scoring with 30 seconds left in the half or whatever it is They can’t double dip, Chiefs get the ball after halftime

Yo, Josh, that little dump off Lawrence just did that went for a 1st down? You can do that too!

Yes. Yes, he did.

Not accordsing to former NFL WR Cris

LOL Collinsworth Ball hit Kirk in the hands Collinsworth says Lawrence “overthrew him”

Tackle where guy fell on his ankle

Indeed

They just did

Nah, he’s all over Pacheco and the KC OL. No comment on how ticky-tack that “roughing” call was

Referees to Jacksonville: “Bend Over and Let Me Drive” How on earth do they call that “roughing the passer”? What is the defender supposed to do, beam himself up?

The Chiefs ain't the Chargers If Lawrence plays like that today, they're gonna be in a hole they can not climb from. But, if there's ever a coach that can match or win a battle of wits with Andy Reid, that guy would be Doug Pederson.

Joe B article. https://theathletic.com/4111837/2023/01/21/bills-bengals-playoffs-prediction-preview/?source=nfltw&redirected=1

I still think Trevor Lawrence looks like a horse. Giddy-up Jags!

FWIW cross-posting the Dan Orlovsky clip posted in the game week thread He goes into the John Brown INT, pointing out that the Dolphins successfully took away the flood concept on 1st down and left Josh with the deep shot to Brown or the checkdown. I'm a little puzzled because I actually think Josh had a better shot to Morris on the short, flat route than to Singletary (who Orlovsky identifies as the alternative); there were bodies in the way to Singletary, making it likely IMO that throw gets tipped at the line or, if Josh threw it with an arc but it wasn't just right, defenders could make a play. I thought Josh had a good passing lane to Morris and could have thrown at an angle where it's Morris or no one. But obviously Orlovsky's overall point is clear - the Dolphins said "you get the deep shot, or the checkdown, and we know you're constitutionally disinterested in the checkdown."

In 2019 before we got Diggs, Allen used to throw 50/50 balls to Brown and he defended them as needed. Overall, of course, I agree with you. I could be wrong, but even with Allen's cannon of an arm, I think those deep balls have to be thrown before the defender is necessarily "smoked", meaning if there's confusion about exactly how the route is being run, disaster can ensure.

I believe Chaos is being sarcastic. And he would ordinarily have a point, except that Greg Cosell has been watching NFL film full time since it was actual film on reels, and Romo was literally in diapers. I don't think what they say contradicts, actually. Looking at the whole play, it does appear that the first read was to Knox and that on 1st down, the play design would be to take the checkdown if Knox wasn't open and only an aggressive QB with a big arm would try to hit the clearing route (Romo passed for 34,000 yds, putting him in that aggressive bin himself). And Romo is correct - Brown did pause on his route, which is consistent with knowing he's not the receiver the play is designed for and not wanting to wear himself out. Any former QB is going to be inclined to place blame more towards the receiver than to the QB, but the ball wasn't placed where only a receiver running full-out would get it.

I think it's on both of them. Putting everything together, I think Brown knew he was supposed to be a clearing route and Knox was the first read, so he paused on his route at what should have been enough time to complete the throw, glanced towards Knox, said "Oh Crap it's Coming to me" and took off again. Romo thought it was supposed to be a skinny post, Cover1 thought it was supposed to bend out towards the sideline (not sure what that's called). I think Allen tried to adjust to what he thought Brown was doing, which seemed ambiguous, and screwed it up; if he'd have just thrown it ahead of Brown and towards the sideline, either Brown accelerates and makes a brilliant catch or it falls incomplete, no harm no foul, 2nd down. So screwups on both sides, except the QB is the Man and has the final decision authority - hence Josh claiming it as a bad decision.

LOL where does the "subliminal" part come into it? Joe Burrow has made some legitimate elite big-boy throws in the playoffs. I don't want to dunk on him at all. He's very talented, but even talented QB get shut down at times by strong D. One could argue the Bills got "bailed out" by our D, not last year but in the 2020 playoffs especially vs. the Ravens. I think we get fed up at times because of the media narratives. There are a bunch of football fans who hop on the bandwagon and start paying attention only during college championships and playoffs and maybe the draft, so the narratives mesh in nicely with that.

It would be interesting to know what those "clearly obviously WRONG things this year" might be. From what I can see, Dorsey has done a fairly solid job for his first year ever as OC. He makes use of less trickery-dickery than Daboll did, but that's not always a bad thing - people forget about that trick play lateral to Devin Singletary off to the L from the Pittsburgh 5 yd line, resulting in a fumble OOB (thankfully) and a FG vs a TD. Trick plays don't always work and they may pose a distraction from executing fundamentals. Don't forget about Josh Allen up the middle for no gain on 4th and 1 at the end of the Tennessee loss. Last regular season, we had 5 one-score games and we lost every one. Let's not forget that. In 3 of those losses, the Defense gave up 23, 9, and 14 points, which more fingers the offense for being unable to score enough. This season, we've had 8 one score games, and we've won 5, which is a substantial improvement. I wouldn't want to deny that there are things I believe Dorsey could do differently, and better, but I also think there are ways in which his offense overall executes better than Daboll's did. I think there's a lot of recency bias in comparing Dorsey and Daboll, and, of course, Daboll had 4 years to evolve as an OC.

The defense did blow that game. Yes, there was a fumble, but each team had 1 TO. The 2 HOU TD drives that let them take the lead started at the HOU 25 and 26 yd lines. Obviously it's on the offense too, but it was a total team loss not some kind of offensive meltdown.

Ah, OK, thanks for clarifying! That seems like a stat which ought to be available, but, I’m not sure where. Do you know a source for these stats?

Just a little point that Josh has 16 fumbles and has lost 6 of them, which is a bit ahead of the 50/50 odds these things are supposed to have, and supports maybe "average" luck?

They've managed to put together a very talented team though. I don't think it was all FA signings.

One of Cosell's comments is actually that there's no "synchronicity" (his word) between the Bills running game and passing game - meaning that there aren't connections between the run plays and pass plays they run where defending the threat of one opens up the other.