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6 minutes ago, PaulieYayo said:
Saw this posted on FB….🤦🏻♂️
Haha imagine what the jokes would’ve been if they lost though…if they win next week no one will care about this game
cincy easily could’ve lost their game as well
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2 hours ago, Big Turk said:
The difference in this game is when the Bills dialed up the old Daboll move of sending everyone deep, leaving no checkdowns and counting on Allen's legs to be the Checkdown against man coverage, the Fins were ready for it.
Several times it appeared the Red Sea parted up front, Allen was staring at 20 yards of open space right up the middle and when he went to take off to exploit it, the Fins DLine converged on him and stopped him for like a yard or half yard loss.
That never used to happen and is the type of adjustment ONLY divisional opponents can make when they see something twice a year every year. If the Fins didn't make the adjustment, the game would have likely gotten out of hand as Allen would have run wild on them.
Kudos to the Fin for the cat and mouse game of letting Allen think he had something and then taking it away as soon as he tried to take advantage of it. A very interesting wrinkle I saw 3 or 4 times yesterday.
Also why I take those 7 sacks with a grain of salt. 3 of them at least weren't real sacks, they were tackles for like a half yard loss as he tried to run through the middle.
Hard to say they were ready for it when we were winning the go routes nearly every time. If you’re talking about the scramble part specifically then sure lol Idk maybe it’s just me but 9 times out of 10 with that exact gameplan against that exact defense we probably score 50+. Davis/diggs got behind the defense seemingly all day we just missed the connection by inches quite a few times
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30 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:
Yes I do, it’s a bad matchup for us. Really bad.
I don’t see it honestly…especially with their oline banged up. At worst it’s 50/50 and I’d lean towards the home team. On this board we have made it a habit to give our division opponents absolutely zero credit but Miami has a bunch of talent in the front 7. I don’t think any other team could or would emulate Miami’s gameplan from yesterday. It was literally the opposite of how I’d play the bills but their only chance was if they forced some turnovers and we were off on the deep throws
21 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:There was. Teams in the WC that are 10+ point favorites were 11-0
13-0 after SF and Buf
I agree the stat that was mentioned is ridiculous. About giving up 30+ . We out gained them by almost 200 yards, just a bunch of dumb mistakes they took advantage of , that can definitely get cleaned up
Idk what it was but that sun heading to the west end zone seemed to be messin up everybody…couple uncharacteristic drops from Miami headed that way and shakir dropped a ball that hit him straight between the numbers and brown lost that ball in the air that ended up getting picked
if you made that exact game a night game I’m curious what the score would’ve been 😂
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17 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
The Bengals run D isn't that great is it? I think we moved the ball against them well on the ground during week 17Yea I’m confused why people are assuming we would’ve lost that game…we were steamrolling their defensive line and their offensive line was holding for dear life on the other side
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25 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
You won't find me saying it was a great game from Allen
All I'm saying if the expectation is 70% for 400 and 4/0 (which is his line minus the picks and drops) we should probably examine why that is and if it's very realistic
Seems like Miami was counting on us not looking deep because they were hoping josh doesn’t like getting criticized on bills message boards 😂. Their gameplan just makes no sense to me
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14 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
My God man, do you even watch the games? He HAS thrown them a LOT this year. The first two games of the year we were complaining as to why all of the throws were checkdowns.
I don’t really understand what’s going on on these boards haha I’m all for anyone criticizing whoever…it is a message board after all…but this notion that Allen has a clean pocket and open throwing lanes to wide open guys underneath on every play is absurd. Especially yesterday.
and even if he did, every qb in the league is going to take the wide open go route over the wide open dumpoff to a rb. It was just such a bizarre gameplan from Miami on defense that I think people just aren’t wrapping their heads around it lol I honestly hope the chiefs and bengals try to imitate that. Miami traded probably 60 free points if we could connect on routine plays for a couple turnovers.
With the identical gameplan from the offense we easily could’ve won that game 50+ to 30+ . Miami was just selling out for the turnovers and despite just about everything going right for them they still gave up 34 and lost
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1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:
They have been doing it every week. Majority of plays have had every pass catcher on the field running 20 yards up the field. It's not Miami sitting on those routes. Those routes aren't really happening much anymore
That early catch to diggs was a quick slant where he got jammed and was completely off balance and came down with it still. They were jamming the heck out of short routes all game long. That deep 3rd and 1 to shakir Knox ran a 2 yard under route and he legit got tossed 5 yards back into the line of scrimmage lol.
Not trying to say you’re wrong about previous games necessarily…I was not at any of the other games to compare.
but in this one the go routes were there all game long we just did not connect on enough of them to win comfortably. Josh easily could’ve gone for 500+ passing yards with 5-6 tds with that gameplan even with the 7 sacks/3 turnovers. just a little bit off on so many plays.
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Just now, Buffalo03 said:
No he doesn't. On some plays he does. But I can't tell you how many times yesterday watching the game with a friend whenever they showed a replay of almost any pass play, all WRs were running 20 yards or more up the field. It's causing plays longer to develop and making Allen throw more picks. Allen doesn't go from being a safe check down guy back to back years to just not giving a f*ck anymore on purpose. He's throwing more deep passes all game long because that is where the routes are on the field most plays and it's also causing 2 WRs to be in the same area of the field too often. Even the pick that went off Beasley's hands, Beasley was like 15 yards up the field. He usually only runs small 5 yard routes. Dorsey is the problem
Miami was all over the short routes in this one…that was their whole gameplan. Give us the deep long developing stuff so they can send the house and it becomes a race between our outside receivers beating the jam and their pass rush. Spreading the field with deep routes was the right call whether fans like it or not.
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13 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
You know things can be gameplan specific to attack weaknesses of teams right?
Idk how many times I can say that about this specific game lol Miami was giving us the deep throws and jamming the underneath stuff hard to try to get their pass rush home. Thank goodness fans don’t call the game.
not trying to tell people Dorsey always calls a great game and josh has certainly gone deep in the past when it wasn’t always warranted, in this particular game it was warranted though 😁
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4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:
So apparently the play was designed to go to Knox, with some good underneath options if Knox wasn't available. That's all per the Twitterverse so who knows but it sounds right. Brown apparently was running a clearout route, which would explain why he did not expect the ball. If that's all true, I'm not sure what Dorsey is supposed to do. He can't keep all the routes short because that will crowd the backfield. Allen simply refuses to play within the structure of the offense despite it hurting the team multiple times this season. He gives the obligatory "I made some bad decisions and I'll learn from it" quip at the end of the game but the words ring hollow at this point - he's just not yet a grownup. I love the guy, he's my favorite athlete to root for, ever, but he is not a grownup. As I said elsewhere, it may take him having to stew an entire offseason about throwing away a playoff game for him to change his ways. Last year's AFCCG was the opposite - the hero ball worked, the post-season narrative was all about how if Josh got the ball back, he would've scored again - the NFL even changed the rules to make sure Josh will get the ball back next time. If anything it added kerosene to the fire. At this point I just don't know what will get him to change. Whatever it is, Dorsey isn't up to it - he treats Dorsey like a substitute teacher.
I had a great view of this play from my seat. Brown was open he just lost the ball in the sun and stopped his route. Xavien Howard was completely turned around and was able to make the play because brown was lost.
it’s all hindsight really…I’m sure he has completed tds to clearout routes before and nobody cares because it worked. Didn’t strike me as a bad decision at all
this ‘hero ball’ complaint is getting trite at this point. Apparently any throw that’s not a checkdown is hero ball now. When the defense is jamming everybody and not giving safety help to the outside receivers you’re going to be throwing deep a lot I don’t care who your qb is.
there weren’t really any hero ball plays this game…maybe that cross field bomb to diggs that ended up being an absolute perfect throw somehow he just couldn’t come down with it. The fumble was definitely on josh though.
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8 minutes ago, Drew21PA said:
I just don’t understand why after James cook had 20 plus yards on two Carrie’s - you go back to the air that quickly
(Beasley int)
We continued to run rather ineffectively in the second half…mostly 1 or 2 yard gains. I can understand why people don’t like it because a lot of times in the past josh got deep ball happy when it wasn’t really warranted but that was the right gameplan yesterday.
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24 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:
It appears to me that at times there is a lack of imagination. Too much bread and butter.
A young inexperienced coach can get too cautious under pressure and forget what got them there. Dorseys heart must be racing and only experience can keep your head clear with all that adrenaline. He has all the weight, last year he shared it.
Bringing Cole back helped in his processing but he misses keeping a wide field for much of the game.
I don't mean to poop on him, just realize he is not yet Dabol or Reid, but he will get there.
I just don’t see how that applies to yesterday but you could certainly say that about other games I’m sure. If your receiver can run straight by the defender outside the numbers you throw it to him lol. It’s as simple as that. Miami was bringing the house and covering man to man. No imagination necessary just gotta beat your guy and the sideline is what they were leaving open. We had to hit on a couple more of those easy pitch and catches to make that game more comfortable and we just failed to do so. Most games teams take away the deep stuff to make us nickel and dime them down the field but Miami did the complete opposite. We just executed the gameplan to beat what Miami was doing pretty poorly.
Miami had to jam in single coverage/blitz a lot as a huge underdog to try to generate sacks and turnovers and they were pretty lucky to not lose by more imo. Should’ve been an easy cover even with the three turnovers we just missed out on a ton of additional points.
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50 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:
I swear man...I feel like this whole year 3rd and long is about as easy as it gets for opposing offenses.
Am I crazy for thinking we are awful on 3rd down?
I think it’s a context thing…we think our team gives up more without really knowing how other teams are doing in that regard.
the bengals converted a bunch of 3rd and longs against the ravens last night
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15 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
Josh’s accuracy was fine. He overshot Diggs on first drive ( not unusual for him on early series)and there was no issue on his part with the 1 on 1 to Brown. Of course you take that shot; it looked like Brown lost the ball in the sun or broke the wrong way. The other INT went off Beasleys hands right to a defender. The OL had issues and Josh needed to just cover up and take the sack. That scoop and score was a bit reckless on his part.
He missed those two deep shots to Davis in a row where he was wide open both times/ diggs on the first play / missed a wide open shakir over the middle late in the game but yea I don’t blame him for the brown ball at all. I was sure that was a td when it was in the air then it looked like brown ran the wrong route.
there were a few plays early on where receivers had to dive to catch balls when they could’ve been hit in stride.
I do agree though, outside of the fumble I really didn’t have any problem with the decision making or the playcalling. Miami was really aggressive on defense which is going to yield some turnovers but they were lucky to not give up another 20+ points. They weren’t really giving up anything short over the middle and they were stuffing the run in the second half
I think people are trying to fit this game into the narrative they previously had about the bills offense when it really doesn’t fit imo. Those balls down the sideline is what the dolphins defense was giving us…they weren’t forced throws at all.
people are talkin about those deep throws like they were 50/50 balls but the receivers were wide open on the vast majority of them. There was one insane throw to diggs across the whole field that somehow hit him right in the hands but other than that it was all receivers who beat their man-
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22 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
The question you may want to ask is, does Josh want to play that way?
No qb in the league is going to pass up outside receivers in single coverage that get multiple steps on their defender lol I just don’t understand what people think they saw yesterday. anyone would make those throws every single time.
we just barely hit enough of them yesterday when we should’ve connected quite a few more times. Josh’s accuracy didn’t seem great. If we hit two more of those which we very well should have, that’s an easy cover even with the turnovers and we would’ve outgained them about 600-300 (gave them a few deep ball completions because they dropped a few also)
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21 minutes ago, kjack151 said:
To this point, I think we are seeing the effects of Daboll’s absence. Last playoff season the Bills offense was crisp and mistake free - Josh threw no interceptions nor made this many questionable throws. Dorsey is still learning the nuances of being an OC and I believe he’ll get better; it’s just unfortunate that he doesn’t have that luxury during the playoffs. Also, he’s not as creative as Daboll. It seems that every 3rd down for 5 or more yards we go with the “empty” set (five wide receivers). In its formation we’ve seen many times how when a play breaks down that Josh is able to run. But lately teams have adjusted to this which is why he’s had limited success scrambling. Why don’t we employ Gilliam and Morris more? I think they can create mismatches. These are just my observations and in no way am I an expert. One more thing - I think for the first time in a long time the offense actually ran the ball on 4 consecutive plays. They need to do more of this in my opinion.
This honestly feels like the twilight zone around here haha…idk how Dorsey is getting any blame for this game…i don’t really get how Josh’s decision making is getting blame either.. he didn’t have a great game but it looked like accuracy issues to me. Early on he threw some not great balls to receivers that could’ve gotten a ton of rac with a better throw. He also missed a bunch of routine deep ball tds and shakir wide open over the middle late in the game.
If Miami is giving you a free td down the sideline on every play though because they want to jam up the middle of the field , you go for it.
Maybe it’s because I was at the game and it looked different on tv idk, but those deep shots he was taking were wiiide open tds/huge gains 90% of the time. this wasn’t him trying to laser balls into double coverage or anything like that which we have seen in the past.
we had two tds overturned by inches, shakir with a huge 50 yard drop, josh overthrowing a bunch of deep ball tds. Miami dodged a ton of bullets. They probably should’ve lost this game like 50+ to 38(they had some big plays dropped too) even with those turnovers
that's kind of how it goes when you’re selling out to blitz on most plays and jamming all the receivers…you’re going to come up with some big defensive plays but you’re gonna get scored on a lot. They’re lucky it wasn’t more
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11 minutes ago, Logic said:
If turning the ball over three times and allowing a vastly inferior opponent to hang around and almost getting eliminated from the playoffs in a historic upset doesn't constitute "struggling" but only "high variance due to scheme", then the scheme is a big problem, and we have vastly different definitions of what "struggling" means.
Should’ve dropped 50+ on them yesterday…people are talking like josh was just winging the ball deep into triple coverage. Nearly all of those deep balls were open for tds
im all for criticizing him when he deserves it but the deep shots in single coverage was what the defense was giving us this game. Shakir dropped an easy one, diggs was wide open for a td the first play of the game, Davis back to back on that late series had open tds…the list goes on. Hit one more of those and the game is never that close even with the turnovers
it was really a high variance defense I would say…not a high variance offense. Miami was going for broke every play and they dodged a ton of bullets.
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3 minutes ago, Logic said:
No they're not.
Here's a number for you: 31 points. That's how many points the Dolphins scored. Why? Not because off offensive prowess on their part. Their absolutely awful offense, led by their absolutely awful third string QB, scored 31 points. Why? How?
It was largely because the Bills offense turned the ball over to them THREE times. That happened. That was real life.
A positive final outcome or scoring output does not mean that the offense did not struggle for stretches of the game.
some of it was special teams also…2 of the dolphins fg drives started on the 40 after kickoffs.that Beasley int was just bad luck imo and it gave Miami an extra short field before halftime when they shouldn’t have seen the ball again.
I just don’t get the people saying ‘just throw it underneath’ because that Beasley play is how the underneath receivers were being covered for most of the game. Miami seemed to be getting away with murder holding wise from where I was sitting…the underneath receivers were getting absolutely mugged and it looked like the defense was flooding the middle. Davis/diggs were beating the jam and the sidelines were the place to attack
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12 minutes ago, Blah Blah said:
The Dolphins blitzed on 52% of their plays yesterday. Seven sacks with Allen's frequent deep dropbacks. Bills need to quicken the release of the ball to counter the blitz, which may be the blueprint of future playoff game defenses against the Bills since it was so successful against him yesterday.
They were also jamming all the receivers (cough cough holding) and giving the corners little to no help over the top. We had the right gameplan to win just one very unlucky turnover(ironically on a short throw) and that fumble td. People just don’t like it because we’ve thrown deep when we didn’t really need to in prior games so they’re not seeing this one objectively
Absolutely no one will try to duplicate this dolphins game plan…they had to go for broke because they were such a big underdog. If we hit on a couple more of those wide open deep balls, we probably drop 60 that game. I don’t think anyone could duplicate it even if they wanted to…Miami has much better pass rushers than cincy or kc currently.
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9 minutes ago, Blah Blah said:
Go back to the film of the Rams game. Quick passes for the most part, under 3 seconds. Mix in the running game that's developed over the year and there's the formula.
I'd like to see more no-huddle offense too. Quicken the pace.I worry about manchild Josh. Time after time he steps back and chucks it middle or long, like back in the old neighborhood. They need to shorten his game and put him on a bit of a leash. Allen seems like he's calling his own shots and over and over, there's no variety. Not impressed with Dorsey. There's a reason he's not on the sideline like other OC's. I'd get a new OC next year.
This complaint after the dolphins game baffles me but I’d agree with it in some prior games…he threw maybe one risky low percentage deep pass that ironically hit diggs right in the hands. Everyone else was open(not sure what happened on the brown play but he definitely had a step then seemed to run the wrong route)…the dolphins were jamming everyone/flooding the middle and trying to single cover the outside receivers.
they were daring us to go deep and just hoping josh couldn’t connect on the throws or the pass rush would get home. Coverage was tight on a lot of the underneath throws
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44 minutes ago, Logic said:
There were multiple receivers open underneath throughout the game and Allen chose not to throw to them.
If you have the means to go back and watch yesterday's game, particularly the 3rd and 4th quarters, where everyone was screaming about the go routes and whatnot...I suggest you do it.
There were open receivers underneath. Knox, Singletary, Cook, Morris, Beasley, sometimes Diggs. There was always a short outlet option, and that option was quite open more often than not.
Josh chose not to go to those options. He chose to push it downfield, over and over.
Don't get me wrong -- Dorsey really frustrates me at times. I, too, would like to see various changes to the offense. Still, the complete refusal of some to hold our quarterback accountable for some of these periods of offensive struggle infuriates me. I know that pushing the ball downfield is who Josh Allen IS and always will be, but when you watch the game back and see multiple options underneath, only to see Josh repeatedly choose the low percentage deep shot even when it's situationally not intelligent to do so...it doesn't hold water with me to just blame Dorsey for all of it.I really didn’t see a lot of open underneath receivers honestly…and on a few plays where there were it was a situation where gabe Davis had two steps against single coverage or shakir was wide open for a 50 yard gain or something like that. If you don’t want your qb taking those shots he shouldn’t be starting.
He certainly has had games where he passed up underneath attempts for risky deep throws before but the game yesterday was not a good example of that
it was really the short throw to Beasley that sunk his game…a deep int is not the end of the world it’s pretty similar to a punt.
miami was very handsy on all the routes and it was effecting the underneath receivers the most
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15 hours ago, Beast said:
If Shakir was able to hang onto a ball and Josh was a little more accurate on those deep balls the Bills would have hung a 50 burger on the Fish.
At least…people are so used to teams selling out to stop the deep ball but Miami did the opposite. Had to take the shots in single coverage on the outside because receivers in the middle of the field were getting mauled.
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7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
The 4th down timeout while I cursed it immediately wheb I saw the replay it was 100% the right call. The Bills defense was not set at all the Dolphins had 3 guys wide open right off the line. Skylar Thompson made a poor low percentage throw but man if he makes a good one even a short slant to the other side it could well have gone the distance. Judging it once you know the outcome, sure you'd like it back.... but that is a play you use a timeout. 4th down big moment and your D isn't close to set
Idk if it’s because I had a great view of that play or what lol but waddle was wiiiiide open on that throw and it was hardly low percentage
48 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:A few people I know didn't like the play calling on that possession but it's also true that Davis was behind the defense on both those passes. Josh underthrew him on the first one and overthrew him on the second one. A better pass on either play is a touchdown.
The weird part of the game for me was the role the sun played on deep throws. I believe that the opening deep drop by Waddle, the failure of John Brown to breakup the deep interception, and the drop by Khalil Shakir were all a function of having the sun in their eyes.
I just don’t get people anymore lol the dolphins were single covering guys on the outside to load up the middle and they were repeatedly getting burned… we don’t think we should’ve thrown those passes because we had previously thrown a deep pass? 😂.
Usually the opposing defense forces us underneath if we want to take those throws to take away the deep stuff but the dolphins did the opposite. they were giving us the deep throws and hoping their pass rush got home in time and it was a mixed bag…they got tons of pressure but narrowly avoided us scoring like 21 more points lol
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4 hours ago, BigDingus said:
Not sure I've seen anyone look for style points. Had this been a clean 34-31 game without the usual turnovers, it wouldn't be as worrisome.
But as we've seen ALL YEAR, the Bills turn the ball over a LOT. Pretending that's not a huge red flag, especially against better teams, is silly. Giving a 3rd string, late round rookie 18 points off turnovers isn't a recipe for success.
I've already seen a ton of posts online from Chiefs & Bengals fans saying they're hoping to play the Bills now. What fans say doesn't matter, but it's pretty clear they're not scaring anyone.
Bengals didn’t look so hot tonight lol and the chiefs have been barely beating terrible teams all year so who are they to talk?
Neither of the picks today were really bad decisions imo…looked like brown got lost on the deep throw and the throw to Beasley was at worst a good defensive play and at best pass interference.
I’m on the other side honestly if we had won a clean game 34-31 against the dolphins I’d be a lot more worried
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Tampa loss was BS…this whole don’t throw flags down the stretch or in playoff games needs to end. Diggs got straight up tackled in the end zone while the ball was in the air