Mikie2times
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1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:
Yeah exactly
We lost WRs 1&2 from an already pretty shabby unit and replaced them by trading back for one single second rounder
Not going to pretend to be impressed by that
Buffalo and the rest of the NFL for that matter had 4-10 at end of round one / start of round 2. The only 1st rounders to pick were the big 3. Everybody after that was an equal crapshoot. Which is why we traded back.
The idea that a 4th round type would have elevated this class to acceptable makes me really question the perspectives here.
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I'm getting his Christmas card ready early this year
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1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:
I agree the draft wasn't going to solve everything but trading back twice to take the 8th wideout off the board has to be about as close to the bare minimum effort as possible
I prefer Coleman ahead of anybody outside the Big 3. Regardless if you do or don't, enough people exist on both sides of the argument to say a consensus doesn't exist. 4-7 aren't guaranteed to be better. It wouldn't even be categorized as likely. It's a total crap shoot right now. If that is the case the trade back actually makes some sense. Would you have wanted to see 2 of the top 8 come our way? Clearly we wouldn't know if that would solve anything I'm just asking for context of what would have made you feel we made the correct amount of effort.
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56 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:
Agreed. No more timid scaredy cats. Coleman is a very impressive looking human being for a 20 year old. Jesus. He seems very serious about his craft and winning. I’m going full homer here but I see that crazy focus, and cut the BS glare in his eyes.
I like the personalities we are putting on the field. Dawson and Brown, Torrence, are demonstratively badasses. Coleman toughens up the WR group. It’s okay that Kincaid is a Cinderella type because Knox knocks. This new RB is supposed to be a mean man. Bernard obviously, the new safety, Crazy Ed Oliver. Daquan.
Can someone with a line to Beane get him to produce a brawler punter. That’d be huge.
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4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
^^i think we'd all feel a lot better about the WRs if they were getting coached up by someone from the shanahan tree
Void of a trade up for one of the big 3 or for an established player I didn't see a scenario where this draft concluded and we could declare we had what we needed. If we did make such a declaration we would be wrong. From my perspective MLB was in even worse shape last year and that worked out ok. I'm excited to see what Coleman brings as I actually like the pick. Kincaid could turn into a pro bowler this year as well. I think a few other things could work out at WR to our benefit but sure, we could likely stand to have another hitter. I know everybody wants to take the next step at the position and give Josh some elite weapons but if we could say that isn't happening because we only took one WR and not a 2nd deeper in the draft I would say the logic is faulty and the perspective is poor. The draft wasn't going to solve all of this.
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12 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:
I don't think you can say that. All you can say is that the WR room is inexperienced. Also to only discuss the WR room is to ignore two other key players in the passing game Kincaid and Cook.
I wonder how Packers fans and the media ranked the Packers WR/TE group entering last season that featured 6 1st and 2nd year players. That seemed to work out ok as they hauled in 255 catches for 3177 yards and 28 TDs, with no player having more than 96 targets or 793 yards. Talk about a balanced attack.
David and Diggs are the past, and they stunk last year. Time to move forward with Samuel and the kids.
Last year Houston was largely considered to have the worst WR core in the NFL.
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We don't have Morse, Poyer, Hyde, Diggs, Tre, and Gabe. Allen is the only remaining captain on the roster.
Regardless of what moves we made did it really require Beane saying we are in transition? It seems sort of obvious given the roster changes.
Transition also doesn't have to mean we won't be competitive. We went 6-1 the last 7 games with Diggs and Davis contributing 46 catches for 571 yards and 3 TD's. They just didn't exist. To me it's not unreasonable to think Kincaid will increase his contributions signifgantly. Knox could increase as well. Shakir is likely to keep getting better as he has each year he has played. So I ask myself, can Kincaid/Shakir +1 year, along with Samuel, and Coleman best last years group the 2nd half of the way when we went 6-1? Why not?
Then you shift to defense. What did Poyer and Hyde have left in the tank? Poyer was brutally slow. Hyde couldn't stay healthy. Tre was a leader in spirit more than body. So we add Cole Bishop to that group. Rapp gets more familiar with the system. Bernard has another year. AJ has another year. Groot, ED, and oh ya, Milano comes back. Jones is healthy. Perhaps Von gives us 10+ sacks, which I think he will. So why again won't the defense be just as good with potential to be better? They're younger and more athletic.
I actually think with all of our "transition" this team will be better next year. We won't have better depth. We might also take some time to come together as always is the case. But it's not very difficult to see how we replace what we have lost and how that could even grow.
Now does all this give me confidence that we can win more than a wild card? Not really. I can't view this team as clutch and mentally hardened until they show they're on that stage. But if the questions is can we get back to find out this year? Sure.
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14 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:
Just watched his presser. Nothing not to like there. Actually, I loved it. Lucid dude. Quick thinker, quick talker. Handled the “big shoes to fill” question brilliantly.
I LOVE YOU BEANE!!!!
You can see why he clicked with Josh. He has that playful kid like demeanor to him. Super confident. Sort of a breath of fresh air to be honest. I don't recall a lot of Bills like him over the years.
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1 hour ago, harmonkillebrew said:
This thread is about Beane's seeming tendency, across many years, to like big-bodied slower WRs and maybe also slower RBs that run between the tackles. The similarities are there. Is Beane out of step offensively? Is McDermott?
The Bills have taken a lukewarm approach to surrounding Josh with explosive weapons, since the Diggs trade. It's been a long standing issue. Gabe was a 4th rounder. That same draft (2020) they drafted AJ Epenesa and Zack Moss in the 2nd and 3rd (eerily similar RB/WR pattern to this year) The next draft it was 2 DEs in the top 2 rounds.
There was a glaring WR need this year and it feels like the Bills had the wrong priorities. Didn't make us faster or deeper at WR. I might have changed my tune if they had drafted Franklin or Tez Walker in the 3rd/4th. But to just roll with Coleman seems risky.
Josh Brown, Cole Beasley, Khalil Shakir, Deonte Harty, Jamison Crowder......are these big body WR's? Is James Cook a bruising RB?
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5 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:
It's many factors, but speed is the most reliable. His high jump was not as high as I would have thought. I think his contested catch rate also wasn't super great.
I think he'll be like Gabe. If we hadn't traded Diggs, he'd be a good replacement for Gabe on the outside. Can he replace what Diggs used to be before 2nd half of the season, I'm just not convinced.
I see you conveniently stopped at 2017, as Tyreek Hill was drafted in the 6th in 2016.
Moore seems like a bust but Rice was pretty good as a rookie. Hardman had his moments. Everyone else was Rd 4-6.
The one thing I see in that chart is that the Chiefs at least tried. They invested a 1st or 2nd in 4 out of the past 6 years. They're committed to getting weapons for Mahomes. I'm not sure the Bills are.
I didn't conveniently stop anything. They have gone on to win two Super Bowls without him. Stop moving the goal posts. You said Bean draft slow player bad, KC draft fast player good. Not Beane don't draft WR. So what is the complaint and how can you irrationally link it to this draft? While you're at it, outside of Hill, let me know the names of a few pro bowl burners who have won a super bowl the last decade. Hardly a prerequisite of anything.
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7 minutes ago, mrags said:
I guess if you feel that way. I don’t.
when you have a double Josh (Rodgers is not the norm) you surround him with talent and weapons as often as you can to help him succeed. At least if you’ve shown to be close multiple times but never accomplished the goal. After Diggs, they have never really tried to get him an elite WR. And honestly, they were hoping Diggs would be that. He was good in Min but he want top 5 WR in the league good until Josh. I think it’s pretty obvious that Josh brings out the best in his WRs. Look at Brown, Beasley, Diggs, Davis (we’ll know soon enough). They’ve all had their career years under Josh. Let’s surround him with so much talent that he gets even better. Instead we’ve declined in offensive talent since Beasley and Brown left. In top of the fact that since they left, the front office and coach have been using their departure as an excuse that they needed to get faster on offense. They needed more explosive plays on offense. They needed more big time plays on offense. And we have literally gone the opposite way since that’s happened.
And what do we do this year? We trade away Diggs (and I was actually fine with this fyi) and don’t replace him with anything. I guess if you want to count Samual and his 850 yards and 3 TDs for a career high as replacing Diggs. But if that’s the case, you and I are in complete opposite ends of the spectrum on what we believe successful season is at the WR position. And we draft a ridiculously slow WR that’s like the clone of Gabe Davis, a guy we just let go in FA because he wasn’t good enough. I hope I’m wrong. I really really do. But my hopes are not high for this kid. They are not high for this team. And honestly, I’m sick of it.
Honestly dude, you have no clue at all. I don't either. None of us do, not even the teams that make the picks really know. I don't know how on earth you see Gabe Davis with Coleman but you're going to see what you want to see.
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3 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:
The Bills passed on some guys, like Worthy, that KC really liked. Are the Bills smarter than KC? We both needed WRs. They chose a fast, shifty guy, we chose a bigger guy with less long speed. We'll see who's right in the end, I guess.
Why do you assume KC has been good at picking WR's? The premise of your post is, big player bad, Beane like big player, Beane bad. Fast player good, KC like fast player, KC good. As I said, it's lazy. KC has drafted absolute trash at WR since they picked Mahomes. You would be better off betting against who they picked at WR a significant amount of the time.
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1 hour ago, NoSaint said:
I agree but there may be some truth to comparing what he’s done here in a build - rebuild and what Carolina did when he was there.
Clearly some consistent pursuit of the big body possession receiver for instance, right? Not everyone chases benjamin-funches-trade for Benjamin-Davis-Coleman
not clones, but seems a certain archetype he may like
I could agree but I would have to dismiss Beasley, Brown, Shakir, etc. I think in the scheme of things he’s actually been fairly balanced. Albeit without seeming to highly value a burner.
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2 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:
So we should expect 2k in yards from Coleman over the next 2 season just like Benjamin? should we also expect him to then eat his way out of the league? Besides being tall they have little to compare.
They're both tall black men, don't you see!
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Lazy comparisons
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I haven't gotten a good sedrick van pran-granger since high school
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Just now, Mango said:
I know Ralph is from Detroit, but it kinda stung to see his niece announce Detroit's 4th with a "Go Lions" with his name on the screen. She also worked for the Bills for like 20 years.
Everybody is shouting out Detroit nowadays. Sort of funny. They have a decent fan base but a lot of my friends never mentioned the Lions to me in 30 years of living there. Now it's all "us, we" talking about the Lions. They're similar to us in the abnormally trendy trajectory they had.
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Sort of looks like if Singletary and Moss had a baby
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Damn I wanted Bortolini he goes well with garlic bread
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Braelon Allen might be around in the 5th with the way this is going
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Also a Tez fan, watched him a decent amount UNC. Fun guy to watch.
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1 minute ago, SCBills said:
Im pretty good if we can get a Gabe Davis clone today on a rookie contract (hopefully with better hands)The Gabe Davis discourse became toxic because it became time to pay him or let him walk.
Uhhh ya....
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We have seen enough comps with his 40 time have great success in the league to know it's not something that prevents you from being an elite player. Everybody keeps calling out his rare athleticism. His former MSU teammates, FSU teammates and coaches.
https://statenews.com/article/2024/04/keon-coleman-msu-spartan-fsu-seminole-buffalo-bill
All of them talk about how he is just different and you see that finesse, leaping ability, and agility just jump out when you watch tape. Such a well coordinated athlete for a guy who is that big. Still with a ton of room for growth. Seems to have a great head on his shoulders.
Everybody has seen the FSU tape, here is some of the MSU tape. Just mossing people left and right.
This is a good debate on Reddit from non Bills fans, very similar to what we see here
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First look at Bills 2024 roster
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4 picks in the 20’s. Three consecutive picks to end the first round and start round two.
Do you really think the level of talent in those players was going to be the difference maker for us at WR? What if we took Worthy? Legette with the last pick in Round 1 would that have past the test for you? Just make the full leap to completely irrational please.
It wasn’t one of the best WR drafts of all time. It was top heavy. Then the rest of the talent was significantly lower in rank than then the big three.
Who cares who KC picked, have you seen the track record they have drafting WR? Rice is the best guy they have taken since Mahomes was drafted.