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Mikie2times
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5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
I guess the point is that some people on the internet think the Bills have "passing woes".
I don't. The data doesn't. Internet people do."Eye tests" are about the least reliable way to measure anything. 100 people have 200 eyes and all of them lie.
This is a great argument, similar to one we heard in the offseason about how we didn't need to add any weapons to the greatest offense in franchise history. What's funny is the video you posted should clearly explain what the pitfalls of this offense are. The entire video is about the necessity for balance to maximize output. How do you think a defense responds to a team that won't throw the ball more than 5 yards downfield? The entire defense starts to condense making all other possible outcomes less successful. What happens in high leverage situations like the last drive of a divisional playoff game where we have to pass in a traditional way and can't be dependent on screens and Cook? Guys can't get open.
Beane already sold the snake oil. We don't need anymore.
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5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:
I think a lot of you make a lot of this "hatred" up so you feel better. When folks critique McD there is almost never any "hatred". Most critiques are prefaced with what a great guy he is, what a great job he's done on culture and his ability to pull teams out of the basement. And then even with all that disclaiming and qualifying, pointing out any of his glaring flaws gets these over-emotional replies like we're trying to get the guy killed. I think there is obvious reasons McD apologists turn every critique into a discussion about the posters instead of addressing the actual issues with McD.
The assumptions of complaints about a Super Bowl victory is one of the most egregious strawmen I've seen on this board.
Its to make the people critical of him appear irrational or driven by motive. This concept that Bills fans would still complain about McD after we hoist a trophy is one of the most misguided I have ever heard. Will he still get complaints when he does dumb crap? Sure, every coach does. Will anybody be able to to say he can't get it done? No. That argument will be over. Even if we trip and crash land onto the trophy, we will still have it and the noise will go away.
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57 minutes ago, LEBills said:
You may not find a bigger pre-draft and current fan of Franklin than me. But the other poster is right that Keon as a whole has been better over the past two years. Yards per route run, first downs per route run, etc.Franklin has improved a lot from 2024 to this year, but that has coincided with him getting much more snaps out of the slot which is what basically everyone says the Bills need to try with Keon. Now unlike Keon, Franklin was instantaneously a great separator and I think he will continue to improve. If he can get his hands more consistent, he will be a good WR.
I think Keon will be ok in the league. In the role he has been pigeonholed into and his current strengths as a receiver, it will lead to him being a very inconsistent player over the course of the season
I mean, I don’t disagree that Coleman is being misused, but how incompetent does our GM need to be to draft a guy who can only be successful playing slot when you have a TE, and at least 3 other positions where that is the primary role? If your argument is until Keon becomes a slot he just can’t be evaluated, I just can’t get on board with that because it will never happen here. I can only evaluate what is actually happening and what is likely to keep happening and in that, Franklin is the better performer with a more desirable
skill set.
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4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
No, it's not what we need according to Beane and McDermott. We haven't tried to fill that type of role with any meaningful attempts at any point in their tenure here. You could argue John Brown had that skillset, but it's not really how we used him. The only people clamoring for that type of receiver are the armchair GMs here.
Seems like the arm chair QB’s had a step on the mastermind
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1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:
Who said I'm digging in? You're the one making this a big deal like there was some gross miss on Franklin. Coleman is a part of the puzzle, nothing more. I don't believe for a second he was drafted to be a traditional #1. He was brought in to be the big bodied red zone threat the bills have been coveting for nearly 30 years.
Coleman is the guy they drafted to fill that need, and whether or not he's doing it to the level they expect, we can argue about that. Franklin would not be that guy for us, and he'd probably be the 5th WR on the team if he were here. When i say I wouldn't trade for him, it's because he doesn't fill a need we have, he creates a hole, and as a pure talent, there's not much evidence he's any better than Coleman thus far.The post you responded to was about being perturbed we didn't draft him in the 4th round. You wanted to focus more on Coleman vs Franklin, which to me is an easy conversation. He's the #2 WR for Denver, a burner that can stretch the field. That isn't what we need? Instead we need a big slot when we have 3 other natural slot WR's? It was a dumb pick. I even liked Coleman at the time, but I'm not paid millions of dollars to draft players. Even with how dumb I am, I would have spent the 4th round pick on Franklin as most couch QB's on this site were begging for. Turned out they were all largely right and our GM was wrong.
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57 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Worked out pretty well for us...I can't believe Cleveland is as awful as they are year after year drafting in the top 5
When Baker was healthy the made the playoffs.
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Anybody else have a chance to catch this? They have a live look into the instant replay booth. I love the transparency and being able to listen into the conversation. The process seems clear, transparent, and is very trustworthy. It even brings a nice level of entertainment to the moment when otherwise you're just sitting there watching nothing.
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40 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Probably not. Franklin was useless last season, and while he's had a slightly better start to the season, most of his production is in 2 games. He hasn't done anything to rise from a 4th round pick to a high 2nd round pick caliber so far. He has two modetsly ok games in his entire career so far, neither above 100 yards. Coleman by contrast has 2 games over 100 yards.
I guess I don't see Coleman's limited production as a problem. It looks to me like they're using him how they want to use him. His job is to catch 0-3 important balls a game. I also kind of think that's the way they want to use Josh. Hand the ball off, take the dinks and dunks, and make the big 3rd/4th down play when we need it. The rest of the time, play safe, and hit the open underneath guy.
I don't think it's a bad plan, either.This is a really silly position to dig in on. On one hand you minimize Franklin for having all his production in two games, on the other Coleman has 19 catches 155 yards in the last 6 games. The only reason Coleman has done more statistically in his career is the Bills gave him the spot last year based on his draft position. Franklin has had to earn it. You're trusting Beane's grade at this point, which is fine, but it's not exactly a short list as far as WR's who get drafted early and become nothing nor is Beane shown to be some WR whisperer.
Franklins ability to stretch the field is clearly superior and his numbers when factoring in the target share of both offenses are more impressive. Denver actually has some mouths to feed. Coleman should be eating like crazy. What else is crazy is assuming Buffalo is basically using him as a decoy. Nobody cares about Coleman, he can't be a decoy. He's wearing DB's like a Macy's jacket when he's out there. Teams care about a WR with sub 4.4 speed who is 6"3 and can take the top off. Maybe you don't care but I guarantee you McD does after the playoff game last year.
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36 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Yeah to me, one of the things most Bills fans seem to misunderstand about Shakir is he is NOT an instinctive, reliable route runner like Beasley was. If he were, Allen would be feeding him non-stop. He doesn't have complete faith in Shakir that way and you can't throw the ball over the middle to a small target if you don't have complete faith that you will be on the same page.
When Diggs and Davis were outside in 2023 it wasn't exactly Air Coryell but defense's couldn't just focus on one area of the field and were often doubling Diggs and putting CB1 on Davis. That left some huge holes in the middle of the field for Shakir back in 2023. It created this misconception that he was one of those "always open" types.
Defense's are squatting in those areas where he was thriving back then. So they are forced to throw a lot of really short passes to get the ball in his hands so they can get that high end RAC out of him.
I want to give you a thumbs down for fun, but couldn't agree more. Shakir is elite, but it's a very niche elite YAC skill set, perfect for screens. He's fairly pedestrian downfield or even getting open in the short and intermediary routes. Beasley was basically automatic over the middle of the field within 10 yards on those slants and in routes. He could always get open. The two players couldn't be any more different.
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22 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:
... and 2 TDs. Don't leave that part out.
40 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:If you want to base your whole opinion off one graph on twitter, I guess DK Metcalf and Tee Higgins stink too.
You wouldn't trade Franklin for Coleman straight up?
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Just now, BullBuchanan said:
What is a "borderline 1st"? You could have just said 2nd round pick. He has a long, long way to go for the kind of glazing you're giving him.
I'm not saying Franklin is a stud by any means when I say he is better than Coleman.
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7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Troy Franklin? What has he done that's special? He has less production than Coleman.
If by less catches, less yards, and less TD's you mean more, than you're correct. That's just this year, but since he was a 4th round pick and not a borderline 1st, he wasn't given a starting role. He can also stretch the field. Straight up he's better, has a brighter future, skillset, and was acquired for way less.
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3 minutes ago, CirclnWagons said:
Gabe, White, Poyer, Phillips, Jones! If it were 2021, we’d be dominate! You know…….except when we played the chiefs
Nobody circles the roster like.......
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3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:
Inexplicably, Troy Franklin slipped to the 4th round.
This is what bothers me more than even the lack of first round investment. You have well known draft picks like Franklin and Horton who clearly have a skill set we don't as far being able to stretch the field and it wasn't even worth a late flyer.
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24 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
When you respond negatively to a take you have involved yourself in a discussion whether you like it or not. If you really don't want to discuss it.......then you don't have to respond to being called out. Fact. If it's going to hurt your feelings to be called out then don't involve yourself to begin with. This should be common sense. I know more people grow up without fathers nowadays but c'mon. You shouldn't need a slap in the head to figure this dynamic out.
Awful take. Can you imagine this place if every poster had skin so thin they had to call out somebody who gave them a thumbs down. If I had to guess it's probably pretty easy to see your veins.
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Might as well be Tony Pepperoni
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2 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:
Already foaming at the mouth.
Which make me nervous about what is occurring on the other end
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8 minutes ago, muppy said:
HOPEFUL for a Huge home DUB
Very happy for a national TV game. They can be run on and we have a history of both disappointment, but also surprising performances. This team does well when nobody believes in them. Detroit, KC, Baltimore last year........I'm usually a pessimist, but I think we will silence some critics this week (and I have no sound football logic to back that up outside of we can run on them).
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KC seems to be anointed again, perhaps rightfully so. With no clear leader of the pack in either division, you have to bank on scheme and high leverage plays winning the day. Yet here we are, the vibe being somewhat different at the moment. Our season is very, very, far from over but with great expectations come great disappointment, which is where a lot of fans seem to be coming from. I'm just trying to get a general read on the fan base with this poll. Understood I don't have every option covered, try and pick the one you feel is most accurate.
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6 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
The current state is 5-2, and even after a bye week they're still insanely banged up. Injuries make a difference and its hard to build a team when everyones in the trainers room.
- Oliver has basically missed the entire season now
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1st round pick hairston just got his first game action in week 8 after starting the year on IR -
2nd round pick TJ sanders is currently on IR -
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Carter is on IR too which kinda sucks when you factor in that like everyone at that position is hurt -
Strong looked like a useful late round player - also on IR -
Rapp has played through an injury all season likely as they got poyer back up to speed and shifted hancock to a pure safety role -
Every linebacker on the roster has missed time this year - Offensive side of the ball, kincaids been banged up, now palmer, samuel
I went ahead and crossed off anybody who has never played in the NFL or has played and has sucked for at least 1 year+
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I didn't like the idea of bringing Gabe back. But given the state of this WR core is he an upgrade? If he's healthy I don't think any question exists that he is. He has shown more in his career than Coleman has. He's a better vertical threat, better blocker, better sideline toe tapper. It's absolutely pathetic what this team has done at WR for it to come to this, but yes, Gabe Davis is upgrading the WR core and is most likely the best boundary WR on this team.
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3 minutes ago, AKC said:
Listening to Josh post Panthers seems to reinforce what it looks like on the field- Josh prefers to pass from shotgun but our running O is better under center. Josh talked about his drops from under center and his lack of trust of his feet being the major problem for him Sunday. Statistically in 25 Josh has a PR of 109.7 from shotgun and that drops to 89.3 under center. On the other hand James Cook is gaining over 5 YPC under center while dropping below 4 from shotgun. Curiously EPA stats suggest in the Panthers game the opposite was true- they have us more effective running from shotgun and more effective passing from under center. I have to presume the successful pitches from shotgun with long gains skew that in favor of shotgun, while the season long stats tell the story differently.
Great observation, I think this was partially why the pistol was invented. Sort of meets in the middle. Falcons run it more than anybody.
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Are McBeane secretly creating an elite offense?
in The Stadium Wall
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Let me know how balanced we look when either the run game is taken away or we need to pass. Your preview is Atlanta and New England, maybe the divisional round the last two years.
Football is situational. The formula that you say is efficient is only efficient with a lead and when we can run. It could be made even more efficient, as it was to some extent last year, with some type of downfield passing threat to keep the box clean. Even if our condensed passing game is efficient, it isn't functional or practical in other situations. Situations that the best teams in the NFL have to excel in to be considered to be the best teams in the NFL. This team has been top 5 in DVOA since 2020. It puts up stats, but fails in having enough ways to win when the defense is rarely one of them. Allen alone, Cook, and a usually hobbled Kincaid are not going to give us a championship team. Again, Beane thinking, why we are here, why we keep doing this year after year.