Mikie2times

Forgot about the kicker, Lindell would go to the top of my list also.

That is correct, Roscoe for President!

Overall we seem to do a pretty good job at identifying the guys that will make a difference and those that won't. This post isn't about those times. This is about the times you laid it on the line in defense of a player or in dismissing a player but ended up completely wrong. My player is Roscoe Parrish. Last year I didn't think Roscoe really moved that fast. At the very least he wasn’t lightning in a bottle which is what he needed to be with his size. I dismissed him as somebody who could be a WR in this league. Well Roscoe, I'm sorry. Clearly the cast and injury delayed his arrival. Now I think he's a perfect #3 type, and a great addition to our special teams. His punt return nearly won us the J'Ville game, and his long TD reception at Detroit kept us in that game. Seems like he's quieted down some, but I only expect him to improve as his route running gets better.

On this Monday December 11, 2006 the words Schobel and bull rush met for the first time.

One more thing to consider in this debate is potential injury. If a pocket QB blows out his knee the team usually just suffers threw one season and they recover. What happens to Vick or Young if this happen? Now you have a high value draft pick completely wasted. Sure this scenario could happen at any position but it's an important disadvantage compared to guys who don't need to run. I would be holding my breath on every play if Vick or Young played for Buffalo.

Looking at all the variables I wouldn't want Young, or see it being worth drafting a QB like Young. Young and Vick don't have to overcome the learning obstacles young QB's endure when they run. They didn't need to overcome those obstacles in college, and they didn't need to overcome those obstacles in High School. The point is these players, and their former coaches have harnessed this QB style since day one and why not? It gave them and their teams the biggest advantage possible. There legs could stretch a defense more consistently then a passers arm could. The problem is in the NFL no QB's legs will ever stretch a defense more consistently then their arms will. After 1 year every defensive coordinator in football will have enough tape on these guys to take away what they do best. Since they’re both such phenomenal athletes it won't work every time, but it will work enough to guarantee inconsistent play. That is unless they learn to read defenses, and throw the football. Vick has been asked to do this, and he's struggling. Young appears even more gifted to me, but I don't know how any of that will change his career path in comparisons to Vicks. He will still need to develop as a passer, and that will be very difficult for him to do after never being that type of player.

I don’t understand this. It would only be a coincidence if we knew the number of games to base the rest of the season projections on. As another poster pointed out you used 3, 4, and 5 weeks in your comparison. We could probably find similar trends in most NFL QBs if you can select between those three weeks each year to make end of the year projections.

People seem to recognize the poor line play year after year but often don't include that in their judgment of other players. Maybe we can get Edge in here to explain how changing OL's can change your rushing average. The bottom line is Willis doesn't rank high on many people's heart meters. You know that invisible quality we like to run players out of town for lacking. I'm thinking that even with the dancing we could do much worse then Willis McGahee. Willis McGahee

I watched two weeks ago when McGahee accounted for 12 points that Anthony Thomas would not have gotten. What people like yourself don't seem to understand is the RB makes up ONE section of the running game. It's maybe the biggest section, but it's still only one section. This isn't the NBA, you can't judge a player completely on his performance when his performance is linked to other players. If you have a viable alternative like Michael Turner then so be it. But even then you’re pretty much just swapping similar caliber players and not fixing the underlying problems. As it is people are suggesting A-Train which is just plain laughable.

How about this. As we know every week the NFL grades the referee’s performance. In most cases letters are sent to the teams explaining which calls were incorrect. Instead of some apology letter why not make the total number of bad calls part of the playoff and draft tiebreakers. It doesn't have to be a really high tiebreaker, just something that could help make up for the bad calls. By the way I don't think they would ever consider being so fair.

Anthony Thomas 84 Carries 310 Yards 3.7 Average Willis McGahee 182 Carries 668 Yards 3.7 Average OH MY GOD! I FOUND IT! The reason why A-Train should start! He actually has the same average as Willis, and since we like him why shouldn't he get the nod? I mean this is Anthony Thomas we're talking about. The same guy who was inconsistent at best as a younger player, but should now be ready to come into his own after 6 seasons and a near career ending injury. A couple things people fall to mention is who the two have faced, or the sample size of the statistics, but let's not let logic stand in the way of a good debate. A-Train's 84 carries have come against teams with a run d average of 4.3 yards per carry. McGahee's 182 carries have come against teams with a run d average of 3.7 yards per carry. To put that in comparison another .6 onto McGahee's numbers would make a McGahee lead Buffalo rushing attack top 10 in the NFL in average. Sorry for the attitude, but people are trying to run a player out of town that will make us much worse off, and create another need. You’re going to need something a little better then "I think he looks better" to get me on board.

I did a couple things yesterday that I wouldn't usually do, namely bet a team that a lot of people are betting, and bet against the Bills. Instead of having one of the truly bad beats of all time work against me, I was handed a miracle. I had a dime play on the Chargers. After the score that put them up ten Buffalo had no time outs, so no score on that drive equals a SD cover. JP throws the pick, and it's locked up. That is until SD fumbles the ball and Buffalo recovers. At that very moment I no longer felt comfy with my bet and went to hedge it on matchbook.com (online live betting exchange). I look on the site and some guy must have posted a bet without seeing that SD fumbled the INT. The odds for a Bills cover that he gave were +1700! On matchbook you can only bet what a person is willing to bet on the opposing team. So I was limited to betting only 200$ at those odds, but that's still a 3400$ payout. AS you all know we end up getting the score, and the back door cover. I end up winning 2 1/2 times what I would have won had SD covered to begin with. Can you imagine how the guy that didn't see SD fumble feels? He was risking $3400 to win $200 on SD, and lost .

I think your underestimating the rivalry. Ohio State truly hates Michigan, and the feeling is mutual. They don't want to play them again because they would never wish Michigan success. It goes past the schools. I've lived in both states, and there is a genuine dislike for the opposing state in both places.

Always gotta pick on the little guy

All it means is that he's capable of making some plays others can't. In no way does it mean he will be good. None of this debate of his natural skill means he will be good.

How many QB's run a 4.65, that can throw as hard as Losman, who aren't complete disasters when they stay in the pocket? Examples please. Sure we can get into the freaks like Vick but those guys have zero chance at ever staying in the pocket. It's a bold sounding statement because JP’s not the best player right now, but the statement doesn't refer to how he plays, just what he was born with.

I don't know, I mean we could sit here and debate forever because we really have no way to measure it. I see Young as a more gifted runner, but I imagine the speed is very comparable. Both are probably in the low 4.6 range. The Arm strength is no comparison in JP's favor.

I would say he does if you don't include recognition, which I don't think you can because he's still so raw. I still don't see him ever approaching Youngs recognition level, but in terms of arm strength and athleticism I would rate JP higher then Young.

You still in Toledo?

Never mind, I saw your other post, I must have took your post out of context. Doing thirty things at once (and I do need to stop being defensive).

I always enjoy when somebody tries to disprove your entire point by criticizing one part of your argument. Even better is when they do it with providing nothing to the discussion. You can spit out statistics all day, it doesn't make my points any less valid because they're not based completely on statistics.

Since his stats look bad Elway wasn't good enough early on? Is that what you’re trying to get at AD? He led countless comebacks, and made plays. He also made some mistakes. That's what happens when you don't have to read defenses in college. These athletic QB's spend half the time outside the pocket in college, and it takes them longer to develop in the pros. Nobody’s saying he will become Elway. But to deny the recent progression, and historical proof that he's can still be a franchise QB, well it's just inaccurate.

What "facts" might those be? By all means find my a guy that compares more to JP, not just stats.

After watching our defensive line they say they look very excited