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Lol party of personal responsibility and law enforcement here. You’re a joke. We’d have to look up the statute but usually fraud isn’t just pay it back and you’re good to go. If you go Rob a bank of $615,000 and get caught do they say just pay us back and everything is good?

Theyve passed several in the house. The Republicans have filibustered them. So I take it your working harder means you think they should end the filibuster.

Great ! Let’s get your answer on the legal issue: The law states they need to come from Florida. You are probably geographically challenged, but Texas and Florida are not the same state. The answer to question 2, please provide authority or legal opinion that was used to permit state funds to be expended in transporting people from Texas, as the plain reading of HB5001 clearly authorized only “unauthorized aliens from this state.” So Doc, please let us know how: 1. Texas is Florida and that state law allowed the removal of unauthorized aliens from FL, not TX. 2. Asylum seekers are unauthorized aliens under FL law. Unless TX is FL and asylum seekers are unauthorized aliens under FL law, DeSantis misappropriated $615,000 of FL taxpayer funds for his political stunt.

Interesting opinion. Thank you for sharing.

@aristocrat “I see the dems inaction on the border as indefensible and abhorrent. They put Harris in charge who says the border is secure and just fine. Meanwhile record numbers dead coming across. But please get mad and keep calling republicans racist for simply trying to get some action done on securing the border. Dems hold power across the government and have done nothing but scream racism any time any body brings up the problems. “ Now they were in the proper thread and we can keep the other one to DeSantis and his illegal actions: - I haven’t called anyone racist - Dems have passed several immigration changes in the house and Republicans won’t break the filibuster. - Biden has issues some Executive actions and he should do more. The border isn’t perfect but we shouldn’t allow someone to treat people as political pawns for their political aspirations. Hopefully Dems and Republicans can work together and pass immigration reform.

Moving this to the proper discussion board. Let’s keep this thread about DeSantis and his illegal actions.

To me it means they like the military base, not how they got there. For example, if you fly to Punta Cana on Spirit airlines and you get to your resort, you’ll probably say life is good…. Even though you just went through hell of Spirit airlines.

Great whatabout topic for the immigration thread. Let’s keep this one on track about DeSantis and his illegal activity. The only quote in your article from one of the political pawns was: “The life there is good,” said Eliud Alguilar, a 27-year-old from Venezuela in an interview with The Post, referring to a military base where he and the 49 other migrants were sent by Massachusetts authorities after they landed in Martha’s Vineyard this week. “They treat us well, they provided us with food and medical assistance. We are all well.” I didn’t see a single quote saying they’re happy DeSantis sent them to MV. Price tag has come out as well. $615,000, or about $13,000 per person. They should have checked Travelocity for plane tickets. https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/09/16/desantis-administration-paid-615000-aviation-company-relocate-unauthorized-aliens/

A crisis so terrible the governor of Florida wasn’t even able to find 50 people in his home state for his political stunt. Border towns have infrastructure to at least partially handle these issues. Martha’s Vineyard does not. You don’t see people making as big of a fuss of the other thousands that have gone to CA, DC and NY because they were sent to places with infrastructure in place to support these people. Martha’s Vineyard does not. While the other bus loads have occurred they’re not as big of a deal because 1) there’s no proof those people were lied to here, 2) they were sent to actual sanctuary destinations with resources to help them and 3) a governor from one state didn’t illegally spend state funds to ship asylum seekers from another state to an unknown destination.

So you’re saying it was legal because he took people from TX, brought them to Florida first before sending them to MV? Seems like a stretch. There’s also the issue these people were asylum seekers and not unauthorized aliens. Why couldn’t DeSantis find his own migrants in his own state if this problem is so bad? Care to share these interviews with the forum: “few actual interviews online of the people who were on the plane and if you translate what they said they are happy with where they landed.” I’ve yet to see anything about them being happy that they were lied to. edit to add migrant interview: https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2022/09/16/one-migrant-says-he-felt-deceived-by-events-that-led-to-his-arrival-on-marthas-vineyard The 28-year-old Venezuelan immigrant was one of almost 50 people flown by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis to the Cape Cod island by charter plane on Wednesday, in a pointed political move. “I feel — deceived. Deceived, and upset. They played with our feelings,” he told GBH News in a Spanish-language interview outside of St. Andrews Church in Edgartown. Plaza was in San Antonio, Texas, earlier this week with other recently arrived migrants when he was approached and offered a ride on the plane. According to numerous reports, the planes flew from Texas to Florida, then on to North Carolina and, finally, Martha’s Vineyard. “They offered to help me travel, to find lodging, and ... they tricked me,” Plaza said. NPR previously reported a woman identified as “Perla” was recruiting immigrants to get on the plane. Nonprofit publication San Antonio Report reported Thursday that a 27-year-old immigrant claims he was paid $200 in cash by “Perla” to convince people standing outside San Antonio’s migrant resource center to board the flight.

Another person who doesn’t get basic facts, just great. Marthas Vineyard is not a sanctuary city. MA has 8. They are Amherst, Boston, Cambridge, Chelsea, Concord, Newton, Northampton, and Somerville. Plus, it wasn’t MV saying they have jobs, expedited reviews and housing. It was DeSantis. Please for the love of God, read, and educate yourself before posting.

1. There is nothing against the law or any reason governors cannot debate governors. Newsom threw out the challenge. DeSantis can accept or hide away in fear. 2. Even if you want to say Martha’s Vineyard is Boston, it’s not. It is 2.5 hours away. That’s like saying Cleveland and Buffalo are the same place (3 hours away). They also didn’t believe that: “ Edgartown Police Chief Bruce McNamee said many of the migrants were confused. "We have talked to a number of people who've asked, 'Where am I?' And then I was trying to explain where Martha's Vineyard is."” https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1123109768/migrants-sent-to-marthas-vineyard They were still told they would have housing, expiated reviews and jobs. None were there. They were lied to. ““They were told they were going to be met here with jobs and housing. Some were told that they were going to different cities all over the country. At least one individual thought they were going to New York and some thought there were going to immigration appointments,” Fernandes said.” https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/desantis-puts-migrants-on-flight-to-marthas-vineyard/ 3. Florida Democrats don’t agree that he didn’t break the law. The law states they need to come from Florida. You are probably geographically challenged, but Texas and Florida are not the same state. The answer to question 2, please provide authority or legal opinion that was used to permit state funds to be expended in transporting people from Texas, as the plain reading of HB5001 clearly authorized only “unauthorized aliens from this state.” Would you care to answer question 2 as that is the same question I posed that you miserably failed to comprehend or answer?

Don’t know why y’all righties have such terrible reading comprehension skills. This thread is about DeSantis. My point was like how he was chickening out in debating Crist he won’t accept Newsoms challenge. Therefore we should retitle the thread to DeChicken. You brought up something to with Crist/Fried debate. Since neither person are DeSantis, that discussion would be better in a thread about that topic. Lets keep this on DeChicken. 1. Will he debate Newsom or is he too much of a chicken? 2. Now that the people he kidnapped in Texas and flew to MA have came out and said they were lied to about where they were going, the benefits they’d get for going and generally everything, will DOJ press charges against DeSantis? 3. Since DeSantis spent Florida money in violation of Florida law that was meant to expel people from FL, not TX, for a political stunt, will Florida bring charges against DeSantis?

Open a thread on that. This is thread about DeChicken.

LOL Always an excuse.

News I’m has challenged DeSantis to a debate. DeSantis was trying everything go get out of debating Crist. So when he comes up with an excuse for this one, I think the thread title should get changed to DeChicken: https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/california-gov-newsom-challenges-florida-gov-ron-desantis-to-debate/

Got our first referral to DOJ for human trafficking: McGovern also calling this illegal: In a statement to MassLive, U.S. Congressman Jim McGovern said he agreed that the “campaign stunt” could rise to the level of violating the law. “Using taxpayer money to ship vulnerable people across the country under false pretenses is not just a campaign stunt—it appears to be human trafficking. It also looks like he illegally used Florida’s COVID relief money to run this operation. These are major violations of federal law that should be investigated,” McGovern said. Some of the false pretense documents are also coming out: Immigration lawyers are also working on getting these people visas since they may be victims of crimes: Susan Church, an immigration lawyer based in Cambridge, told the Boston Globe a legal team is working with advocacy groups to interview the migrants and determine whether they are eligible for visas for victims of crimes. “They were duped in to getting onto the plane,” said Church, former chair of the New England Chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. “This is akin to kidnapping.”

I wonder if this is why the plane stopped in Florida. DeSantis used taxpayer money to fly illega immigrants into his own state!

No one is talking about the 2.000,000 everyone is talking about MA. Tactic was horrible if he wanted to get people to talk about immigration. He wanted to score political points with his MAGA base by “owning libs” and got owned himself.

Lol man, you’re hilarious. I feel bad that your uneducated opinion has you all riled up. Again, - why do Florida taxpayers need to pay for TX illegal immigrants to be sent to Martha’s Vineyard - your response was because Biden is shipping people to FL. You were proven wrong by DeSantis himself. So try again….. - why should taxpayers pay for a political stunt to “own” the libs? - Now this is doing something? What? Lol. Yea these 50 people will change our border policies. No one is doing anything. It was a political stunt to rile up MAGA republicans but will end up making independent and true Republicans hate the MAGA republicans even more.

They weren’t harmed? They left where they were for promises the DeSantis admin had no intention of fulfilling. If a company says hey I’m going to give you a job, help you get something quicker and do other things for you if you move from CA to OK, then you get there and they’re like yea I lied to you just to get you to OK, you’re not welcome back in CA… you wouldn’t be harmed?

They literally took people off the street!!! I wonder if your opinion on this would be different if you were educated on the subject. You’ve said several things that are just factually wrong. Maybe it’s time you step back, read up and come with an opinion once you’ve educated yourself instead of just talking out your butt. https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-governor-florida-flies-migrants-171423700.html One Venezuelan migrant who arrived at Martha's Vineyard identified himself as Luis, 27, and said he and nine relatives were promised a flight to Massachusetts, along with shelter, support for 90 days, help with work permits and English lessons. He said they were surprised when their flight landed on an island. He said the promises came from a woman who gave her name as "Perla" who approached his family on the street outside a San Antonio shelter after they crossed from Mexico and U.S. border authorities released them with an immigration court date. The point is you were wrong… again… like normal about simple facts.

DeSantis disagrees with you: “Texas is taking people,” DeSantis said after a morning Florida Cabinet meeting. “Biden has not sent anyone to us since we got that. He does send children all across the country in the middle of the night and dumps them all over the United States, which I think is very reckless.” “We have not had buses coming in, we have had people trickle in,” DeSantis said. “I think because of what Texas has done, that has actually taken a lot of pressure off us.”

- Florida has a large amount of Cuban illegal immigrants - Florida paid for these flights. Why are they paying costs for TX? Shouldn’t FL taxpayers be upset their money is going to TX? - If this isn’t a problem in FL, why does there FL governor care? Wouldn’t his time be better spent fixing the issues of his constituents?

One of the interesting things of this Martha Vineyards thing that I don’t think has been talked about yet….. if the illegal immigrant problem is so bad in Florida, why couldn’t DeSantis find his own illegal immigrants in FL and needed to use TX ones for his politics stunt? Surely if the problem is so bad in FL he could have found 50 people pretty easily in his own state.