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Or DOJ and IRS have a better jurisdiction for the criminal conduct and the civil relief she seeks is enough to protect NY interests. What in the complaint do you think is false? Please share the paragraph numbers for easier reference. The AG stated this investigation was started due to Cohens testimony of the wrong doing, if someone testifies before Congress under oath of violations, shouldn’t the government investigate it?

Great thing they took all the evidence and made the criminal referral to DOJ and IRS then.

NY said no to a Trump settlement offer: “She also noted that prior to Wednesday's announcement, her office had rejected a settlement offer from Trump and his organization.“ https://www.npr.org/2022/09/21/1124242985/new-yorks-attorney-general-sues-trump-and-his-children-for-alleged-fraud Also pointing out he’s guilty since per Trump only guilty people use the 5th: During the press conference, James noted that when testifying under oath during the investigation, Trump repeatedly invoked his 5thamendment rights to avoid testifying.

It’s been referred to criminally to DOJ and IRS though……

Here’s the filing. Can you please enlighten us about what you disagree with in it: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22670311-nyag-v-trump-et-al

I’m 100 percent with you. All the talk is on MV and DeSantis not anything else. This makes me even think there probably isn’t that big of a border issue since FL had to find the people sent to MV from Texas. Even then the people were here legally in the US. If the border is such an issue 1) why couldn’t DeSantis find people in his home state and 2) why did they use people here legally when there’s apparently soooo many here illegally?

Here is this civil complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.248428/gov.uscourts.mad.248428.1.0.pdf Here is the Fox News article telling you Texas has opened a criminal investigation: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-sheriff-opens-criminal-probe-desantis-operation-fly-migrants-marthas-vineyard These are both real things going on. Whether you chose not to believe a court filing or a sherif saying he’s opened a criminal investigation, then that’s on you.

If the outline you speak of is following the law then yes. I’m all for moving people to where resource allocations can support them. Border towns aren’t having issues and sanctuary cities want to help, great. Let’s get a Federal effort to help these people. Things that shouldn’t be done: - Abbott not telling other governors when and where the people will arrive. That’s 100 percent political and isn’t in the best interest of the people - lying to get people to go. Anyone who would want to be part of such program need to provide full consent being knowledgeable about what is going on. - using taxpayer funds actually allocated to such endeavors - sending them to actual sanctuary cities where there are resources for them. MV is not a sanctuary city and doesn’t have resources for 50 unannounced people, but there are plenty of sanctuary cities in the US they could have sent sent them.

There’s been criminal action and civil action here. If you choose to ignore it that’s fine, it won’t stop the criminal investigation or the civil law suit. But what even you can do is educate yourself. Educate yourself on our past. Educate yourself on the law. It’ll make you less likely duped by these charlatans in the future.

Your quotes need to do some research. Like really maybe if the right were educated and not lied to all the time they would see things are wrong. Just the first paragraph alone: This is gut-busting stuff. It’s so stupid that it’s hard to believe it’s not satire, but here we are, with people who illegally crossed the border - they were not in the US illegally now suing a governor for giving them a free ride - the ride cost $615,000 or about 30 cents in taxes per FL resident. to a sanctuary city - MV isn’t a sanctuary city they knew they were going to, - they thought they were going to Boston or DC including signing a release form. - contracts are invalid if signed under false pretenses. For anyone who would like a factual read and the accounts of migrants, here is the complaint filed by them: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.248428/gov.uscourts.mad.248428.1.0.pdf

Really? Republicans retaliating against liberals. Tricked people legally here in the US to go north. The idea if these people show up at liberal locations, liberals wouldn’t accommodate them to point out hypocrisy. I guess the only way this is different now is the legal asylum seekers trafficked to MV are suing DeSantis. TX has started a criminal investigation. DOJ may start one as well. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Yea! Kind of like the racist Reverse Freedom Ride: “Fuming over the civil rights movement, Southern segregationists had concocted a way to retaliate against Northern liberals. In 1962, they tricked about 200 African Americans from the South into moving north. The idea was simple: When large numbers of African Americans showed up on Northern doorsteps, Northerners would not be able to accommodate them. They would not want them, and their hypocrisy would be exposed.” They even sent them to Kennedys home: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/02/29/809740346/the-cruel-story-behind-the-reverse-freedom-rides

DeSantis is now being sued by the migrants who were flown to MV: https://www.axios.com/2022/09/20/migrants-desantis-marthas-vineyard-lawsuit?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial

Exactly and the was SoCals assertion: “Has something changed? I thought international law was that asylum seekers had to seek asylum in the country that shares an immediate border with their home country? Is Venezuela now adjoining the US? “

I don’t see anywhere in there that people seeking asylum need to be from a bordering country like you asserted. These 48 people were asylum seekers under US law and as such here in the US legally.

I don’t believe the Biden administration has conducted illegal behavior here. The legal issues with DeSantis: - Sending people from TX using FL money apportioned for illegal immigrants in FL - this is a misappropriation of funds - Sending asylum seekers who were legally in the US when the apportioned funds were to be used on people illegally in the US - again a misappropriation of funds - Sending the asylum seekers to MV under false pretense. The asylum seekers have said they were told they’d have jobs, housing and expedited review of their claims. None of that was true. They were told they’d go to NY and Boston and that was not true. To compare that to Biden; - Biden has not misappropriated funds - Biden has not lied to people to get them to go somewhere.

That’s not the rule. Here’s a good break down on the asylum process; https://www.rescue.org/article/it-legal-cross-us-border-seek-asylum

Well Jim that’s a false equivalent. 1. I’m not sure Biden is allowed to fly or drive anymore due to his extremely old age; 2. Any bussing operations have been to sanctuary cities that know the people are coming 3. The program is part of Federal law and authorized under Federal law 4. None of these people have come out and said they were lied to about getting on the bus. Im actually fine with a Federal bussing policy to sanctuary cities as long as the people being busses provide full consent. Here, 1. DeSantis used FL funds to fly TX people to MV. This is not what those funds were appropriated for 2. The people moved were asylum seekers who were legally in the US. The funds used were not meant for people legally in US. So another misappropriation of funds. 3. It’s been well documented now that these legal residents were 1) lied to about where they were going and 2) provided false pretense such as promises of jobs and expedited reviews that were never there. 4 MV is not a sanctuary city and had no advance notice they were coming.

If anyone here has information, please pass it on. #backtheblue

He makes a really great point that’s been lost a lot is the 48 people that were taken were here legally. Not a single one of them was here illegally. "If someone is here and they are illegally here and are undocumented, they have rights to not be victims. They have rights to not be lured to another state with fake promises. With that being said, these people were here legally. They were documented. They had the right to walk around the streets free and not be transported across the country for it to be a media event. That's a tragedy. That is at worst some type of crime. We're going to look at what extent of the law we can hold people accountable." Im here legally as well DeSantis, please give me some free flights. Free handouts for legal people, what does he think he is a Democrat?

Just stop man. You’re the Aaron Maybin of posters. You talk a bunch and everything you do screams bust.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-election-forecast/senate/ Dems keep pulling away from Republicans in the 538 senate projection, up to a 72/100 shot. It was down at 40/100 in June. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-election-forecast/house/ House is now at 29/100, was as low as 13/100 in July. Democrats best ally now is time. Time for more terrible abortion stories to come out, time for more Republicans to treat humans as political pawns, time for more policies to help people show results. Republicans seem to be like the Browns playing the Jets with 2 mins left in the game.

Enforce the laws on the books, right? Hypocrite much? Outside of that, if the campaign is the one who does it, then we have private citizens acting. Noted liberal Ted Cruz has come out on noted left-wing media host Sean Hanety and said what they did is illegal. “Let’s say I went down to the border and I brought a big truck with me, and I picked up a bunch of illegal immigrants, and I started transporting them across the country,” Hannity said. “Would I or would I not likely be arrested for human trafficking and would it be illegal to do that for me, if I did that?” Cruz was clear in his response: “For you, a citizen, you could easily be arrested” So we either get DeSantis fraudulently misappropriated FL funds for his own gains or the DeSantis admin human trafficked per Ted Cruz.

That’s an interesting opinion you have!

I’ll keep this slow for you, but please feel free to ask questions about the process. I understand this could be hard for you, but stick with it and you too can learn how the US system of governance works. In the US system of politics, we have Congress. Congres has the House and the Senate. In order for a bill to become law, the House and the Senate must pass it. Once the bill passes both chambers it goes to the President for signature. In the Senate, they have a rule known as the filibuster. Under this rule, a vote to end the filibuster must be done by 60 senators. Absent that vote, the bill cannot come to the floor. Here, the House has passed several bills and sent them to the Senate. However, Democrats only have 50 members of the Senate. Therefore, 10 Republicans would need to vote to end the filibuster so the bill can come before the Senate and voted upon by a simple majority. Now, there has been talks by a lot of Democrats to end the filibuster so they could pass bills such as these. So under your scenario, you want them to work harder to fix it. The only way for the Dems to work harder would be to end the filibuster.