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    Kaiir Elam is a liability any time he is on the field

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    55 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

    Old narrative? It was exactly what happened. I saw it with my own eyes. Kid looked pretty good as a rook. If you don’t agree that’s your call, but you’re not changing my opinion because you decide to post with randomly inserted capital letters. 
     

    Also, you might want to look into what an excuse means. No one’s making excuses. He didn’t look good against the Jags. That’s the truth, but that doesn’t change that he was decent in his RoOkIE YeAr! 

    Alternating caps isn’t cHaNgInG mY mInD eItHeR

    53 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

     

    It's McDuffie's arm length - 29.75". I looked into this before that draft, not once has McDermott used a draft a pick or a free agency contract on a CB with shorter than 30" arms. It is seemingly a minimum requirement for him. I think he likes his corners, especially outside, to have the ability to cover both areas in under/over conflict situations. Can't do that without long arms.

    Except McDuffie has in KC…

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    Kaiir Elam is a liability any time he is on the field

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    Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

    Yes. You are missing that 1st round picks aren't always immediate starters. Some take longer to develop. He's 23 games into his career. Are you crapping your pants over Kincaid right now? Were you crapping your pants when Allen didn't win the starting job right out of the gate? 

     

    I'm not going to waste time checking...but I'm willing to bet if I looked back on the "Elam drafted by the Bills" thread I would see you crapping on the pick then. This is likely you keeping up with your narrative. 

    Nope…had faith in Allen all along and have faith in Kincaid now. Thanks for asking. Keep believing in a failed prospect. I’ll check on you later…

    Kaiir Elam is a liability any time he is on the field

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    3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

    Or, and hear me out here...stuff happens with reasoning behind it. I bet you were firm in saying Bernard was a wasted pick too, right? Or perhaps that AJE "sucked"? It's ok to admit that some guys take a bit longer than others. 

     

    Plenty of opportunity. Was a rookie last year. Yeah, that's a long time. 🙄

    None of those guys were first round picks. First round picks are largely considered day one starters. However, Elam was a healthy scratch multiple times his rookie year and every game this year until our CB1 went down. Oh by the way…Jamarcus Ingram, a UDFA, finished last game after Elam crapped his pants.

     

    Am I missing anything?

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    Kaiir Elam is a liability any time he is on the field

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    1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

    If Beane was fooled by Elam, so was the rest of the NFL world. I know people hate mock drafts, and they are useless as predictors of actual picks. But they are useful in looking back on the consensus of the football world on a player leading into a draft. Every mock that I can find for the 2022 draft had Elam as a first-rounder, and all but one had him going before the Bills pick. Sometimes, a player does not live up to their potential. I could create a long list of these players, but they sting a lot more when that happens to your favorite team. 

     

    What we know about Beane's drafting is that he focuses a lot on physical traits over college performance. Sometimes that works (Josh Allen, Groot) and sometimes that doesn't (Elam, Cody Ford, and perhaps Spencer Brown). I actually think that the lack of big-time winners in high school and college on this team is holding them back at crunch time in the playoffs, but every time I state this on here I get a lot of red exes and throwup emojis. For example, Josh has never won a championship, and I don't think Diggs has either. The Bengals are loaded with guys who won in college. The game is never too big for Joe Burrow because he played in the Ohio High School Championship Game and in the CFB Playoff Championship game. Higgins won at Clemson. Chase, of course, won at LSU with Burrow. Mahomes won a state championship in Texas, which was probably the biggest game in his life until he played in the Super Bowl. But then again, neither Brady nor Kelse won anything in high school or college so what do I know?

    This is an excuse too. Was he graded as a first rounder?  Maybe. Did he fit another team’s press man scheme?  Yeah. Did he fit out zone scheme?  Nope. That’s the difference. Not all first rounders are the same. He would have been decent in a scheme that fits his strengths. He just doesn’t fit ours. Beane def need to wear that. He panicked after McDuffie was drafted (imo) and now we are in this spot. 

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    Kaiir Elam is a liability any time he is on the field

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    2 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

    There’s a lot going on in here. He seemed pretty good as a rookie. He had some bad plays, but he also had some very good ones. I’ve liked Benford from the jump. But I didn’t see anything from Elam that made me think he couldn’t become a serviceable starter. 
     

    This started when Mcd took the reins, I’m not saying Mcd is doing anything wrong, I like his D very much. But sometimes coaching styles and players don’t jive. That’s what I’m seeing here, imo. Whatever the reason Frazier had him looking like a promising rookie. Under Mcd he’s looking like the opposite. Maybe a swap of young cb’s not living up to their potential at the trade deadline? Worked with Hughes. 

    This crap that “he looked pretty good as a rookie” needs to stop. It’s an old narrative and just has to go away. If he was so good, then the coaches would believe in him. I trust them more than message board gm’s that cry about hOw WelL hE pLaYeD aS a rOoKiE. It’s a horrendous excuse for a crappy football player.

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    Kaiir Elam is a liability any time he is on the field

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    2 minutes ago, Billl said:

    Elam wasn’t a bad pick because of the system.  He was a bad pick because he sucks at football.  I liked him as a prospect, but he’s been the definition of a bust.

    Totally agree that he sucks. It was a terrible pick. Didn’t fit the system was only part of the problem. The fact that he duped McD and Beane with his stupid notebook really irritates me. 

    Kaiir Elam is a liability any time he is on the field

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    9 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

    I've said all week that the time to see what Elam can possibly be is right now. In the next 2 weeks there is no long flight to London. There is no WR the level of Ridley/Kirk on the Giants or Patriots. He's gotten he feet wet so to speak with some game action this year. I would play him as many snaps as possible in these next 2 games and hopefully he can build some confidence before facing Evans/Godwin in 3 weeks.

     

    The BEST case scenario for the Bills is that in the next 14 days the light goes on and he balls out. Even if he plays average or slightly below...let him take some lumps and learn so he's peaking around the playoffs. 

    Sounds like a lot of excuses for a former first round pick that has been a complete flop to this point. It’s ok to admit he sucks. He’s had plenty of opportunity. 

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    Elam's issues

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    24 minutes ago, NewEra said:

    The reason he’s been pushed down the depth chart:  Dane is currently a better zone CB for McDs system.  

    Why can’t anyone see this? Who cares if Elam was a first rounder?  He hasn’t earned it yet and it should never be given to him based off is draft position. 

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    Frazier and/or his System hurt player development

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    41 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

    I'm not going to argue Frazier is better but with a healthy roster you could do a lot worse than Frazier.  McDermott is a head coach for a reason.  He is better and I'm glad he's calling the D.  Let's hope we can keep most of the roster healthy this year.

    You can’t argue Frazier was better…cause he wasn’t. 

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    Elam a healthy scratch part deux (now part TRES) (now part QUATRO)

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    2 minutes ago, Nitro said:

    Not even activating Elam, the best Bills CB against the Dolphins last year, is a tactical error.  They need to move him if they are not going to play him.  

    I think the window to trade him this year has closed unless they can get a chase Claypool return like the Steelers got. Anyone think he was worth the first pick in the second round?  No way. Sometimes teams panic and hopefully Beane is on the phones trying to find the best return. 

    Elam a healthy scratch part deux (now part TRES) (now part QUATRO)

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    1 minute ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

     

    NFL trade values can be weird sometimes, but I think we might be able to get a 4th for him? Comes down to how much teams value Elams status as a recent 1st round pick. 

     

    As long as he's not a locker-room cancer (and I haven't seen a single report saying he has a bad attitude) I think he's much more valuable to keep as a depth guy than trying to trade him. 

     

     

     

    Possibly, but 22 year old first rounders don’t do well as depth. His confidence has to be shot and he deserves a chance to restart his young career. It obviously isn’t here and that’s unfortunate, but it has to be embarrassing for him at this point. 

    Elam a healthy scratch part deux (now part TRES) (now part QUATRO)

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    8 minutes ago, Process said:

    People actually thought he would be active? For coaches to make a first round pick from last year inactive for the first three weeks, they must think he absolutely sucks. They are not going to then just randomly throw him in against one of the top offenses in the league. 

     

    My guess is they keep him around this season for depth in case of injury only. Then next offseason add a couple of new corners and trade him.

    They’ve already destroyed any trade value he might have had before the season. Bad move imo. 

    7 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

    Yikes.

    unmm, yeah. He played well last season , especially against the speed of the Dolphins.

    This might be one of the biggest myths on the board and with the entire fanbase. Do y put really think the coaches are going to make a first rounder inactive week after week if he played so well?  Come on…

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