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1 minute ago, NewEra said:
It might be our biggest need. As of now it is….but lots can change come the draft. Lots can come out regarding prospects. Trading up in rd 2 is a lot more cost effective than trading up into rd 1. As of now, I’d be happy if we traded up for one of the top 3 WRs, but that’ll definitely cost us our first next season and possibly our 1st and 2nd this year. Hefty price to pay considering our cap and future contract sitch.
the key is to NOT REACH according to need. I’d rather draft a possibly elite level DL over a solid WR2. Several of the prospects 4-10 look a lot more like Gabe Davis than they do Stefon Diggs imo. Lots of tall X WRs that can stretch the field, but not as gifted running full route trees. Leggette and Thomas seem to have the most potential so I’m good taking them in rd 1- but I there’s a good chance both of those guys are gone when we pick. I think 6-7 WRs will go round 1.
eager to dive deeper into this class, I’ll hold out until we win the SB or are eliminated.
I REALLY like Brian Thomas, Jr.
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35 minutes ago, NewEra said:
This. I hope we take a WR rd 1, but looking at the prospects- I think we might be better off taking BPA DL, OT or DB if the right guy falls).
there’s a legit top 3: the difference between 1-3 and 4-10 is evident imo.
who are the 4-10 guys and how much better is #4 than #10? I’ve watched a fair amount of tape so far- and the 2 guys I’d be ok taking in rd 1 are Leggette and Thomas Jr.. Franklin is a possibility too. Worthy, Mitchell, egbuka, Coleman, Walker, Polk, Burton, McConkey, Wilson are all jumbled up to me atm as guys I’d be happy with in rd 2 but don’t seem like good value in rd 1.
Which WRs other than the top 3 intrigue you the most in rd 1 and have the potential to be a WR1?
You know as well as I do that there always seems to be a run on WRs at the top of the second round. I would be very nervous sitting at the end of 2 “hoping” one of the top 10 guys, as you describe, falls to me. It’s our biggest need and should be addressed in 1, imo. You can wait on the other positions, just the same as you can for WR.
15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:Hopefully someone takes him before our pick and takes the temptation away from McDermott and Beane. I remember feeling anxious as Christian Gonzalez slid last year and let out a sigh of relief when the Pats took him. It forced us to make a pick that clearly helped the team more now and in the future.
Exactly. I was equally as happy when the lions took campbell. I don’t necessarily think the bills would have taken him, but it was a concern at the time.
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1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:
He will probably be gone before the Bills draft but if he is there, I don't think they'll pass on him. I think WR is their biggest need but I also think there are some really good WR prospects that will be available on day two. Prior to the draft last year, I remember hearing that this draft will have about 80 guys with round 1 or 2 grades. If that proves to be true, the Bills should be able to get two or three impact players. Given that Beane pulled Kincaid and Torrence out of a poor draft class, I am optimistic. Until we know what happens in free agency, it's really hard to project the Bills' draft.
And you don’t think some really good safeties will be there on day 2? Your way of thinking is why WR is our biggest need. Waiting is what got us in trouble. Every draft, there is a run in WRs at the beginning of the second round. So we should just boot the position altogether until the fourth again? Nah. Hard pass on this idea.
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14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Except we are looking to fill TWO STARTING Safety spots, as opposed to a 2nd option WR on an offense that already has Diggs, Kincaid, etc catching passes, and this draft is deep with WRs.
I'm all for taking a WR early, likely the 1st round. But I understand if they go DB first.
I disagree. If McD is great at one thing, and one thing only, it’s coaching DBs into excellent pro players. Our biggest weakness from a talent perspective is WR, not to mention that we are prob gonna lose up to 3 this off-season. We need to get high end talent at that position to give Allen the weapons he needs. We can wait to get a safety, because McD has proven over and over again that he can turn a project into a very good player.
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11 hours ago, boyst said:
Cant be a white dude. I think it's been over 10 years since a white guy has played that position.
Same with running back. I remember when CMC came out. A GM said they'd never go with a white RB or CB.
Imagine saying this the other way around…pretty weak post if you ask me.
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Go look at kincaids college highlights. He was a seam wrecker. What have the bills done? Turned him into a check down machine. It’s criminal.
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14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Pass Catchers Under Contract in 2024:
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3. Kincaid
4. Shakir
5. Cook
6. Knox
DEs Under Contract in 2024:
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2. Rousseau
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4. Von Miller
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6. Jonathan
DTs Under Contract in 2024:
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Safeties Returning in 2024:
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4. Cam Lewis
5. Hamlin
Classic TBD where anyone who asks "dO yOu EvEn WaTcH tHe GaMeS?" shows they have no point. Yeah, I've watched us win numerous games where Gabe Davis had 0 catches for 0 yards.
We have no starting DE, we have no rotation. We have no starting 1-Techs, we have no DT rotation. Both Safeties will/should be gone.
gReAt pOsT cHaMp…you understand we can resign some guys like Jones and Floyd and fill holes on defense in FA right?
besides…if you’ve watched the games then you saw guys filling in just fine on defense and we still wOn GaMeS.
The point of this thread was the wr position, but thanks for your invaluable two cents.
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4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
So I'm guessing you'd advocate that the Bills take Jerry Rice instead of Bruce Smith #1 overall in 1985? cause you know our offense wasn't good enough in the 90s because we had a inferior WR that got in the 4th Round of that same draft named Andre Reed.
You understand that the nfl in the 80’s was a different game right? The league was more of a defensive league at that point.
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13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
I'm not against Polk, there are a lot of guys I could like as our 2nd WR drafted. But I'd rather not go WR in the 1st and 2nd. It isnt even a top need compared to DT, DE, and Safety. I could even see them taking a Safety in the 1st (Cooper Dejean) then a WR in the 2nd and maybe another WR later.
I'd rather walk away from this draft with only 1 WR taken (in the 1st) than draft another in the 2nd.
Wow. So much wrong here. It isn’t our top need compared to DT, DE, and safety? Have you been watching the games or listening to the national media?
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4 minutes ago, DapperCam said:
There is no way we trade up with all the holes we need to fill on the roster and our limited cap space. It’s actually a lot more likely we trade down and grab more picks.Based off of what? We are talking about a GM that has only NOT traded up once since he’s been here. Bottom line is if Beane sees a guy he wants he will go get him.
8 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:Harrison, Nabers, Odunze are the 3 that most mock drafts indicate will be the first 3 off the board, and are the consensus best prospects. Obviously that doesn't mean that they'll be the best players, but they are the Chase/Waddle/Smith group at the top of the class.
Agree, but if you told me we could have guys like Brian Thomas, Ja’Lynn Polk, Troy Franklin, or Emeka Egbuka when we draft, then I’ll be happy.
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3 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
I think it'd more likely be a DE than a safety in the first. I can't see any of the top 3 WRs falling to Buffalo, and the drop off to the next group is pretty large. One of the top 5 DE's seems more realistic.
The drop off is large? Haha! Says who? You?! Come on…this receiver class has at least 6-8 that are considered first round picks.
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6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Double-dip? Sure, in the 1st and maybe 5th. Definitely not 1 and 2 tho.
Between Diggs, Shakir, Kincaid, and Cook (and even Knox) only so many balls to go around. Not worth wasting a high pick like another 2nd on a guy who wont get many touches.
Definitely not, huh? Even though there is a precedent with Beane when he identifies a weakness?
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34 minutes ago, mannc said:
And you’re trying to deny that the Vikings got the best of the Diggs trade, which is inarguable, on the grounds that they “got lucky”…that’s a pretty weak hill to stand on.
They will be going Safety in round 1, and maybe WR in round 2. Beane will say WR was a deeper position in the draft and they still got a good player, etc…
Both teams came out on top. The bills needed someone that could come in and be the number one right away as they were trying to figure out what they had in Allen. Diggs has delivered in spades. Minny got a prospect that turned into the best receiver in the league, but they were in a different situation as they already had thielen and had time to develop him. I’m not sure why you can’t see that.
Id bet anything that we won’t take a safety in 1. I think that’s a firable offense for Beane considering how bad our receiving corp has looked. And it’s been talked about as nauseam how good McD is at developing DBs. He can get a safety in FA or in the mid rounds and he would be more than ok.
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12 minutes ago, mannc said:
Maybe the Vikings knew he was going to be great. How can you say they didn’t?
You are arguing just to be difficult at this point. Congrats…you’re “that guy”…
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11 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
It's easier to beat a team if have to score 17 points instead of 20.
You clearly want the bills to become the new packers, who pissed Aaron Rodgers off for years by not investing in top WRs. Cool.
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1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:
Who's more valuable to the team Davis or Floyd? If lose both which would you want to replace first?
What’s the biggest weakness right now? WR cause Davis is insanely inconsistent. We don’t have to lose Davis for me to want to replace him. His time is up. He’s easily replaceable. As for Floyd…we got him on a one year deal. You think we couldn’t find another vet to sign a similar deal? We don’t have to draft an edge to replace him. We could probably even get him back.
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Just now, The Jokeman said:
And as a passing league if you can't protect your franchise QB it doesn't matter how good your WRs are. See Cincy with an injured Burrow not in the playoffs. WR is not the biggest need if we lose Floyd and AJE in free agency. I can debate last year's playoffs was lack of a quality CB1 and missing Von Miller and Da'quan Jones.
Just about every media outlet and the vast majority of the fanbase disagrees with you. Agree to disagree.
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Just now, DapperCam said:
You are confusing the needs of the team this season and the needs of the team next season. We are losing half our defensive starters to retirement, injury and FA is my prediction. That is going to be the biggest need. We've been fairly fortunate to have stable starters on the defense the past 3-4 years or so (remarkably so), but that is all coming to an end now.Disagree
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1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:
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You seem a lot older than that. My point is that this is a new NFL. It’s a passing league. We have a franchise qb and you don’t wanna get him the best WR possible? You would rather take an edge? We tried that in 21 with two straight picks in 1 and 2, which pretty much inspired this entire thread. Not to mention we took one in 2 the year before. Other than the Diggs trade, the earliest asset Beane has used on a wr has been a 4. You think that has anything to do with why we are in this mess to begin with?
1 minute ago, DapperCam said:
Idk why you think I'm trolling? The Bills have Von Miller, Kingsley Jonathan, Greg Rousseau, and Ed Oliver signed for next year and that's it. I'm of the opinion that Von Miller is done (we'll see, maybe not), and Jonathan isn't even activated for game day. So we have 1 DE starter signed for next season, and 1 DT starter signed for next season. We have essentially zero EDGE pass rushing players (Rousseau isn't really that kind of player) signed and that is the 2nd most valuable position besides QB in the NFL.
For safety we have Poyer and Hamlin signed for next season. It wouldn't surprise me if Poyer hangs up the cleats and Hamlin is cut. So that would leave zero safeties signed for next season.
To compound issues, we have no cap space to fill the roster with top UFAs. We definitely aren't signing anybody better than Davis (we probably can't even afford him). We are going to be drafting players with the intention of them starting, hoping that our mid-round draft picks from the last couple of years can take the next step and shopping in the bargain bin for free agency.
Maybe we'll be drafting a WR at the bottom of the first to replace Gabe Davis, but I think it is equally likely we draft a DE, DT or S because we need them to start immediately. Possibly Shakir or Shorter and a 3rd round pick will be in an open competition for WR2. Maybe they will sign somebody like Boyd or OBJ.What is the issue with this team right now? What about last year in the playoffs? That’s right…offensive weapons. You can spin it all you want, but WR is the biggest need. It just is.
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1 minute ago, Koufax said:
Was Chase because of need or was he the best player available? Until Parsons at 12 there wasn’t anybody better and it sure seems like they took the best player and not strategically a need. That’s the kind of decision I hope we make the next five drafts. Keep getting the most talent possible for our picks and use free agency for any hopes that emerge.Disagree. What if BPA is a QB? What if it’s a CB three years in a row? It’s a flawed system. You identify areas of need and then take BPA based on that board.
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4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
It's called replacing quality talent with quality talent. I'm sorry but to me if losing Floyd vs losing Davis hurts this team more. I'd much rather getting a a top end Edge rusher than WR.
Yeah remind me how many NFC Central division championship have they won since losing Diggs?
How old are you? Just curious…
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2 minutes ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:
I don’t know who Jackson Carman is without googling. The NFL is about winning and scoring points and passing the football. The Bengals went to the Super Bowl with Chase and a crappy OL and damn near won the thing.
I’m honestly not sure how anyone on this board can argue for defense anymore.
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1 minute ago, DapperCam said:
Who is going to play DE, DT and Safety?
Great troll job…
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1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:
I agree about DB, we have plenty in Douglas, Tre, Kair, Benford, Taron . Any DB should be inquired in FA but we're thin at DL after this year
We can also resign Jones, which I expect.
OT…Cooper Dejean has declared for the draft
in The Stadium Wall
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He doesn’t pick based on need? Are you sure? Rousseau, Elam, Kincaid…all three play a position that they clearly targeted in those respective drafts. I would argue that Beane usually 100% drafts based off need in the first round. I’m fact, I don’t really think he drafts BPA until day 3.