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1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said:
Generally the draft is for the future and Free Agency (FA) is for the immediate concerns.
I'm hoping the FO ponies up for M Evans and then drafts a WR early for the future.
That would be awesome but I can’t see them paying that since we don’t have any cap.
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Just now, Orlando Tim said:
I agree we need a WR this year but I think we can most likely wait since there are so many good ones currently coming out and we are not in position to get one of main 3. I am always a BPA guy in general with an understanding that your needs are part of the BPA formula, basically if guys are similar in talent you give bonus points to the position.
Disagree completely. Yeah…let’s wait until the end of the second when the run at the top of 2 wipes them all out. Great idea. Sorry…there should be a few that are worthy of our pick in 1. There will be teams that go defense or another offensive position in front of us that pushes someone down the board.
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8 minutes ago, aristocrat said:
Except joe b gets killed cause no o line. We do need wr but we need a center next imo.
His name is Ryan bates.
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1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:
I'd take Franklin over Coleman. Coleman has good size and great hands, but doesn't get a lot of separation. It gives me pause. Shades of N'Keal Harry.
Odunze will be long gone, most likely.
I want a WR that catches the ball with his hands and doesn’t let it come to his body all the time. Those guys include Coleman, Egbuka, Legette, Polk, and Brian Thomas. The other top guys like to use their bodies too much imo.
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6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Oh they will have to sign some vets in UFA. They only have 4 WR under contract for next season........and one of those is Shorter who has never played an NFL down.........and that number will drop to 3 when they dump Harty prior to his $500K roster bonus coming due 5 days into the beginning of UFA.
Ok…if the sign wrs and ignore defensive line…I will be upset. That will leave that as a “need” in the draft. Enough with dumpster diving at WR and hoping something sticks. Time to start burning some top picks on that position.
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2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Yeah I agree. And if they f#ck around with scrub types like Harty and Sherfield in UFA again then hopefully they come away with 3 out of this draft.
Problem is that the teams that have 3 excellent WR's are displaying just how valuable those assets are.
Which is why there are going to be 6-9 WR's in round 1.
That's going to really thin out round 2 and beyond.
There are still going to be some good receivers then but it's not going to be shooting fish in a barrel like when guys like AJ Brown and DK Metcalf dropped in the draft because teams were scared off by some bad receiver drafts following the strong 2014 class.
They may not be able to get a second high profile WR prospect in round 2 because of the demand..........but they need to keep the WR position just as valued in later rounds at it is earlier rounds. Doing that with CB allowed them to get Christian Benford.
When they went and got Harty and Sherfield last year I hated it because I felt that took WR off the board early. I was right. However, we still got a pass catcher in Kincaid so it wasn’t so bad. However…if we get a few FA receivers early in FA this year, I’ll get a little concerned again. I do think by now Beane has to see that bargain shopping has gotten us to this point.
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6 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:
What about DL?
We unfortunately need another. Only have Von (?) and Groot under contract.
S can be handled in FA
I’m all about a DT wedged in between 2 WR picks. I just can’t fathom a DB before round 4 with how well McD can coach them up. Tre was the only highly drafted db in the McD era that has had any sort of contribution.
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16 minutes ago, Logic said:
Yes.
I mean...it's too early for this talk, and we have a massive matchup coming up in five days, and the playoffs are on the horizon, and it's insane to me that people are thinking draft, but...
Yes. Double dip at receiver. Take one in the first round -- the Bills haven't DRAFTED a receiver in the 1st round in forever -- and then again in the mid to late rounds. Offensively, the Bills are talented at OL, TE, and RB1. They need to finally draft some premium WR talent and find a long term backup/running mate for Cook, and I'll feel good about that side of the ball for the next few years to come.
One need only watch our WRs not gain appreciable separation in man coverage so many times this year before concluding that outside WR is (and really, has been for a while now) a major need.
I'm well aware of the needs at DL, Safety, etc, etc....and I frankly don't care. Give me premium offense around Josh Allen. I trust McDermott (who is, at this point, certain to be our head coach next year) to make chicken salad out of chicken crap on defense, as he always does. GIVE ME OFFENSE.
It’s “too early”, but you took the time to respond with a long post. Haha
5 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:WR 1, S 2, WR 3, S 5
No thanks
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17 minutes ago, NewEra said:
I’d be all in favor. That said, I think we’re going to go WR then DL or DL then WR. Maybe another WR in rd 3. Then a combination of S, OL, DL. Maybe a QB
McD is the DL hoarder. Expect DL early
I’m ok with DT in 2. I love a game wrecking DT. What would irritate me is a db early. McD is elite at getting the most out of mid round DBs.
15 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:If they think here is talent there when they pick in he first and second then yeah cool … don’t have a problem with it as long as they don’t have a preconceived strategy and end up reaching …
Basham was a bust obviously but it wasn’t a deliberate reach … they had him graded higher than the reality ..it happens and they have got plenty of others right …
That’s what they told us. We don’t know for sure. They also told us Elam was the last player they had with a first round grade. He didn’t even fit their scheme. It was an obvious reach at a position of need.
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1 minute ago, That's No Moon said:
Two WRs and two safeties.
WR - round 1
WR - round 2
S - round 5
S - round 6
mcd is a db whisperer that turns safeties and corners into stars. Just need to find the ones with the right traits.
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3 minutes ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:
Obviously they waste company time and money reading these threads and vigorously responding!
Yep…posts like those are so unnecessary. As if we can’t talk about off-season needs before the season is over. So lame. It’s clear by now what we need and it’s well within our right to discuss it.
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5 minutes ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:
Just look at the Bengals. Had Boyd and drafted Tee. Had Boyd and Tee and then drafted Chase. Those three with Joey B have been awesome. Just keep picking them high.
Other than using a first on Diggs, the highest pick that Beane has turned in a card at WR was fourth round. It’s comical how much they seemed to neglect getting Allen top WR talent.
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10 minutes ago, HomeTeam said:
Our WR room definitely needs an infusion of young blood. I'm not sure if they will force the issue in the first two rounds, they usually go BPA.
They set a precedent in 21 with Rousseau and Basham. They went into that offseason with the mindset they needed to “sack Mahomes”. They literally said it. I can’t imagine them not viewing receiver as the biggest need heading into this off-season.
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I’m really hoping Beane takes a WR in the first round this year and would then like to see another taken in round 2 if they are rated high on our board. We did this with Rousseau and Basham when we needed someone to get after Mahomes. Why can’t we do it again for our franchise qb?
Go hard at the position and give yourself the best shot possible at finding another top receiver. These guys could end up being WR1 and WR2 after Diggs leaves. I love the idea of rookie contracts, with one having the fifth year option. This is a passing league and if we hit on one, that gives Allen Kincaid and the new guy for at least 4 years on rookie deals. If we hit on both, then all the better.
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7 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:
This next draft is loaded at WR. There will be excellent options on day two (2nd and 3rd rounds)
You’re right. There will be. Hopefully we take one even after we use our first rounder on a receiver.
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8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Ah....Look at the 5 game stretch starting with the Giants and ending with NE. The Bills went 2-3 in that stretch, including 3 games where we failed to score more than the league average # of points. Allen threw <180 yds passing (twice), 2 INT (once).
Now you might not want to lay that all at Dorsey's door - fact is, Allen injured his shoulder in the Giants game and was limited in practice with it for the next week (NWE), practiced in full before Tampa where he had a 300+ yd passing game, then actually DNP one day before Cincy, then had a low-yardage passing game vs Denver.
As for Diggs, he had 100 yd passing game vs. the Giants, but then his productivity fell quite a bit 3 of the following 4 games, while Dorsey was still OC.
Let's not pretend that Allen was having a great statistical stretch and Diggs was "on fire" until Brady took over. It's not the case.
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1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:
He's been coaching for the job since he became interim.
Not really my point but I get what you’re saying. Many level headed folks (including Joe Marino) were saying just make him the OC going into next year and move on. They were happy to see the offensive improvements in the run game and Allen looked really good against the eagles. The run game continues to look decent, but the qb and receivers are totally off. Diggs is a non factor. This team goes as Josh Allen goes…I think we can all agree with that. It just hasn’t been effective for a month now.
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4 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:
Considering the Bills have always been effective on offense against Miami no matter the year or coordinator, and considering Miami does not have Jaelen Phillips or Bradley Chubb, I would probably agree with this. If the Bills offense is sputtering against Miami, and especially if we end up losing, I can’t imagine Brady is back next season as OC.
I personally think our offense will come to play though. The thing is too, a lot of this falls on Josh Allen and his receivers. There is a combination of bad drops by receivers and bad misses by Allen lately, and that can’t happen on Sunday night. Especially in a game where we may HAVE to get off to a fast start like the last time we faced Miami.
that is where I am mostly concerned. This offense is back to getting off to slow starts which cannot happen this week.
But here’s the argument…Allen was having a really good statistical year with Dorsey and Diggs was on fire. Allen may have had some turnovers, but his completion % was tops in the league. Now it looks like he is back to rookie year Josh. The common denominator seems to be the ocs.
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After the eagles game, many (including myself) were satisfied enough to declare Brady the OC next year if McD stays. I think after what we saw under Dorsey, any semblance of an nfl offense was a welcome sight so we may have jumped the gun in what Brady was capable of. Now? Well…this offense is a mess. Allen and the receivers are way off…Diggs is a non factor since Brady took over…we are running Murray up the guy on third and 1 instead of letting our hulking qb dive over the top to move the chains, etc.
Could Joe Brady be coaching for his job today this week? I’m not saying he won’t be the guy next year either way, but the job might come open if we lose and miss the playoffs. We have way too much in a franchise qb to be wasting him with ineffective coaching. I’d rather open up the HC position in favor of an offensive mind, but we all know that’s not likely to happen.
What say you?
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19 minutes ago, djp14150 said:
This was an injury that takes 18+ months for 100% recovery.
That’s normal for a younger player. How are those numbers for a guy vons age who has had an acl before?
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1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:
Yes, he is only just over a year removed from serious injury and he has looked a little better the past 3 weeks. I don't think he will make much of an impact this season even if the Bills make the playoffs BUT the fact that he was a big part in convincing Floyd to come here on a team-friendly deal alone gives him a pass for this season as without Floyd the Bills defense would have been in more trouble.
Better the past three weeks? Really? This past game was arguably his worst since his return.
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Who cares? Our starting corners are Benford and Douglas.
1 hour ago, BigDingus said:But he's a man coverage guy & doesn't work in our system! At least that's what everyone tells me...
Somehow Beane & McDermott overlooked this bit when drafting him, so how could he possibly help us now?
Sarcasm aside, I desperately hope he improves & figures it out. He obviously has talent, but it'd be great to see it finally come together & help this team make a playoff push!
Does he have talent or does he have elite traits? Two different things. I will always maintain Beane panicked when McDuffie was picked and took Elam thinking McD could coach him up in their system. However, sometimes the differences in systems are too much to overcome, no matter how many traits they possess.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:
There's no question to be had. If you honestly think LaPorta looks just as good in our offense as he does in Detroit, I hate to break it to you, it would make no difference. Kincaid would be the better TE if he was in Detroit
Good grief man…why are you taking this so personally?
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Awesome…just in time for the team to get false ideas about him being a number 2 and bail on drafting a wr in the first round this year!
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Double dip at receiver?
in The Stadium Wall
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Well I disagree in a way. Who are we to know that they didn’t want Kincaid all along? You are assuming that they wanted a WR. They were chasing 12 personnel for a few years and finally got their guy in Kincaid. That’s my take anyways.