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2 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said:
This. Too many AJE, Basham, Bernard, Elam type picks to continue to remain viable in the AFC where everyone else at the top is nailing their draft picks. Elam is clearly better and should be getting the reps. He could form that dynamic duo with Tre. Instead we think Dane will be able to hang with the #2 WRs on the other teams? Yeah right. Beane has hit on some nice picks but we are going to look back and wonder what if when it comes to this era of bills football. We can’t keep lighting 3rd round picks on fire like they don’t matter. We can’t keep putting Spencer brown out there thinking josh won’t get murdered again all year while the bengals and chiefs make the right moves.
Elam is “clearly” better? I think Benford might have something to say about this competition before it’s said and done. He missed a lot of time last year and also some good development opportunities. At this point, it completely reasonable that benford might be better than Elam.
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Dane Jackson starting at CB2 again.
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11 minutes ago, BananaB said:
Maybe he just practices better because it wasn’t really shown on the field last year. Elam seemed to play better when given the opportunity. Definitely made more plays for us.
Benford was hurt early. Elam had the benefit of development as the season wore on. There is no comparison since Benford didn’t get that opportunity.
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15 minutes ago, finn said:
It could be that Benson is just better, not that Elam is bad or even a disappointment.
This is a real possibility. Not many want to consider this due to the investment in Elam, but this wouldn’t be the first time something like this has happened.
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35 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Regarding the offense wins championships discussion. I agree- offense is the most important aspect of the game at the moment, but in most cases, you still have to field a solid defense and coordinate great game plans if you want to win a lombardi
The rams held burrow to 20.
The Bucs held Mahomes to 9
The chiefs held the niners to 20
The pats held the rams to 3
the last 10 super bowls- the winning defenses held their opponents to 20 or under in 6 of those games.
more recently- the winning defenses held their opponents to 20 or less in 4 of the last 5.
Yeah you def need to have a good d to win when it matters. The issue with us before this past offseason is the bills tried to “get by” on offense while loading up on d with premium assets. Meanwhile, the same defense was the reason we lost the 13 second debacle. I just feel like a great offense is always going to find a way.
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3 minutes ago, balln said:
No it’s not. Dodson way better and natural fill and stuff run plays. Go watch his at Miami game I think 2-3 years ago when edmunds out. There was a tv blackout for the first half - He flashed
I think the poster is butt hurt we lost edmunds and didn’t draft jack campbell…🙄
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Just now, SCBills said:
I'm not going to sit here and say it's not a concern, but some of our podcast guys act like the MLB spot being an open competition, post-Edmunds, is some sort of seismic event that could dramatically alter our season.
I'm beyond sick of the dramatics about replacing Edmunds.
When healthy:
Von/Floyd - Daquan/Poona - Oliver/Phillips - Rousseau/AJE
Milano - ???
Tre - Johnson - Elam/Benford/Jackson
Hyde - Poyer - Rapp
I mean... c'mon... That's easily a top 5 talented defense.
Totally agree. Anyone that watches football can see that a good defense gets you to the playoffs and a good offense takes over at that point. We spent two 3rds for this moment alone and they were ok with letting edmunds walk. Guys like Joe Marino seem to think it’s gonna be the doomsday that ruins our season. I just don’t agree at all.
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1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:
Ok. Lol
We just had a MLB that left after 5 years. How many SBs did we make? Meanwhile…we addressed the offense for once and that could be the piece that gets us over the top. I highly doubt we will be looking back at the end of the year saying…if we just had Edmunds there to make that tackle it could have ended differently.
4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:I didn't say it as an absolute. The fit opinion isn't anything new here. Come on man.
You literally said it. Come on…
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Just now, newcam2012 said:
Ok go ahead and make your point that Elam as a first round pick hasn't been disappointing.
Back up what you say!
Nobody said he hasn’t been a disappointment. Find me proof of that. My point is by saying he isn’t a fit in Buffalo after one year is beyond silly.
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7 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:
It's a big concern on the defensive side of the ball. The Bills don't seem to have a legit starter at this position as of now.
And who cares about a MLB. Is that position the difference between us exiting the playoffs early or winning a SB?
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2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:
We have a whole season to make judgement. He couldn't bear out Benford, played sparingly, and made some plays here and there. Not exactly productive which is what you want and expect from a 1st round pick.
I'm not saying he can't be productive and solid. I'm saying he's has a disappointing first year as a Bill. Not sure how you can't see it this way.
Not sure how another person doesn’t share your opinion? Ok…
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1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:
both are potential. issues. Elam bigger, but both issues.
Disagree completely at this point. Torrence not starting with the 1’s in the first practice is less than a non issue.
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1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:
Elam doesn't look to be a good fit in Buffalo. Certainly, he's been a disappointment as a first round pick.
I’m not sure we can go that far. It’s the first practice. But if this continues then it’s fair to question the pick.
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12 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:
well I expect that to change by the time the team starts preparing for week 1. A month from now if he is not the starting right guard I see that as an issue.
An issue? Haha. Not even close at this point. What’s an issue is Elam. He’s still behind Jackson and Benford, each of whom missed time last year to injuries. Not to mention that Benford was a dart throw at the wall in the 6th that keeps finding ways to get in front of the guy we traded up in the first to get. That’s the potential issue…not a second round RG that just finished his first training camp practice.
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On 5/8/2023 at 4:13 PM, newcam2012 said:
Not really. The best talent coming out of high school will almost always choose the big powerhouse schools. It's just the way it goes. It will likely be even more true with the new college changes.
Of course, that doesn't mean that NFL players can't come from smaller less known schools. You pointed out some of many.
Similarly, the big names and big schools doesn't equate to a lock as a good player in the NFL.
My point is Williams has a lot to prove and his outlook to be a stud ad you claimed are questionable. Some indicators against that are smaller football school, 3rd round pick, on the smaller side.
I'm willing to bet you and many others never even heard of the guy prior to the Bills drafting him. Now, suddenly he's being proclaimed as a stud. Come on man let's wait and see if he even sees the field.
Wrong. I watched some Tulane games this past fall and he was very noticeable. You lose that bet…
Im a Penn state alum and there was moment last year that it looked like we would play Tulane in a New Years 6 bowl so I started watching Tulane to know what they were about. Very impressed by Williams.
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9 hours ago, newcam2012 said:
I'd temper my expectations a bit. He played at Tulane for a reason. Not exactly a powerhouse SEC school. He's also pretty light for a MLB in the NFL. He was a 3rd round pick for a reason as well.
Lots to like but he has a lot to prove and overcome too. I'm gonna see how he develops and plays before I crown him the next stud or dud.
Khalil Mack played at Buffalo. Josh Allen played at Wyoming. Andre Reed played at Kutztown. Where you play in college is irrelevant.
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Just now, newcam2012 said:
Not so sure about this. I think Beane and fans are rightly concerned about the LB position. Let's be honest none if the guys on the current roster are proven or looked very good when they had small opportunities.
Beane is obviously not going set off any alarm bells here. Also, he did draft Bernard so he's likely to stand by him for the moment.
The board fell where better selections were found other than the LB position.
I think it's accurate to say Beane is happy with who he's got at MLB. I think he's more hopeful than anything.
I think my main point is that MLB isn’t a premium position and isn’t gonna be what makes or breaks us in 2023. We have enough. It’s up to McD to coach them up and use them as intended.
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7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
You and me both...spot on
I just really couldn’t care less about MLB. It’s not what wins big games in this league. Too many older fans still think it’s the “old days”.
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Anyone seen Einstein’s Dog?
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Who really cares? Why is everyone so worked up about a MLB that would just get torched by Mahomes or burrow in the playoffs anyhow? It’s a silly thing to argue about imo. We got much better by adding offensive weapons and a mauling guard. We also added beef with Ford and you can get away with smaller LBers if you have size up front. That’s how you win in todays nfl. This isn’t the old nfl.
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I really don’t understand why some people are calling Beane a liar just because they don’t share the same opinion. Beane has said over and over that they might have the replacement in house. He also talked glowingly about brown and also about adding a “pass catcher” that might not be a WR. It’s time to face the music people…Beane is happy with who he has at MLB. Get over it.
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28 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Beane also backtracked slightly yesterday on being Milanos backup. I forgot what he said to the word, but it was along the lines of: we’ll start him outside for now, but we’ll see what happens. You never know.
I could be totally off but I saw it as if he was trying to temper expectations for the kid this year by saying he’s Milanos backup in the first PC. Like he was protecting him from ridicule when he isn’t the starter this year. Then the social media outrage ensued for picking another ST in rd 3S. So he decided to open the door for him at Mike this year (even if it’s a backup). IF they drafted him to play outside (and keep Milano outside too) It’s a terrible pick imo. I just don’t believe that was the plan. I think they drafted him to compete to alongside Milano, but probably not in 2023.
according to my couch evaluations, Williams was a reach and too small to play Mike. According to many others that aren’t on the couch- Williams has a shot to play the Mike- he just needs to put on some weight and hit the books.
he’s a sub 4.5 with long limbs and very good tackling ability. With McD calling the plays I think we’ll see a much greater variety of sub packages. Rapp, Bernard, Williams, Spector, Klein, Dodson. Different skill sets for different situations. I think it’ll be mostly nickel, but not 85-100% every game like under Frazier.
After I posted this.i saw the updated Beane quote. Sounds like he will have a shot at MLB. I actually like Williams a lot better than bernard. The problem is, bernard has a season under his belt already. Either way, I think Williams is a good player.
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13 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I think Beane just told us what frustrated him the most about last year's roster.
With just six picks, he drafted two guards who didn't give up a sack last season. And two receivers who only dropped three passes in the past two years.
You’re not reading into it too much at all. Allen was running for his life too much and didn’t trust his options in the middle of the field. They addressed both. I’m sure Beane watched the SB and said to himself that the difference was offensive line. He made that a priority this off-season.
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2 minutes ago, bills6969 said:
I’m super happy with our draft for only having 5 picks. Filled almost all our needs. Got Josh the best pass catcher in the draft in Kincaid. Interior Oline was a weakness and we drafted 2 there and replaced Edmunds with a stud LB.
I think Williams is a good player, but to say they replaced edmunds with him is way off. They literally came out and said he would be Milanos backup. They all but said he wouldn’t even compete for MLB.
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Training camp 7/27 9:45 AM
in The Stadium Wall
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Then why did the bills move up to get Elam in a CB rich draft? If they knew his man coverage experience didn’t translate to our zone heavy looks, then what gives? I think they were smitten by his notebook and saw him as a student of the game and so far it hasn’t panned out. Elam has elite traits, and I think that’s what has shown up on game days to help mask his deficiencies. The bills seemed to have bet on Elam learning our scheme and it may have been a slight overlook.