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Just now, Dr. Who said:
I haven't loved Beane's drafts, but forgive him a lot because he got Josh Allen.
Yeah…hitting on the qb will buy you a lot of time. It’s starting to get a little critical for him though. Gotta start hitting on some of these guys.
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23 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Word. I’m thinking rd 1 will disappointing- hopefully not as disappointing as last year. I understood, but hated the Elam pick.
I’ve come to accept Spencer Brown @ RT in 2023. 😢 it makes me so sad as I think he’s trash and his foot speed will ensure him staying trash.
I hated the Elam pick too. I dreaded corner in round 1, then they traded up for one. Haha. That was horrible. I wanted them to get Hall in 1 and wait on Woolen or Taylor-Britt. Hmmm…
3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:this why i would always trade back from the first round pick and then use the 4-7 picks to trade up to the third for picks there. Having your team made of 2 and 3 rounders would make for a superior team overall and then use free agents to fill out the team.
Except we have mostly sucked at drafting in rounds 2 and 3…
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29 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Every year I get excited about the draft and nearly every year (I was one of the few who was really happy when they drafted Josh Allen), it's anti-climactic. I know this going in, yet I can't help getting drawn into the endless speculation and hoping for various players that pretty much never show up. (Or maybe that's the Great Pumpkin, I forget.)
I remember the draft where we took Rousseau and a bunch of depth players. This was right after we made it to the AFC title game. Instead of drafting some pro ready guys, we took Basham, brown, Doyle, etc. I remember being super pissed that we didn’t get guys that would help us immediately.
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11 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:
I don't think the Bills are moving up. Lack of draft capital....they need to add all the bodies they can as they approach cap crunch coming next year.
You understand that they can move up and then trade down in 2 or 3 and recoup picks, right? They can also trade a future pick or player.
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1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
I’d be careful quoting arguably the worst GM in recent Bills memory.
The problem is they have invested heavy in multiple high picks and money resources in the defense and they keep neglecting offense this needs to change. They need another impact receiver and only have one TE on the roster out of this draft. They also need another starter caliber tackle.
Beane has lost the benefit of the doubt anymore. Even the National media is starting to call him out and he knows it.Totally agree. It’s on Beane to fix this.
Also…it’s funny to me that the OP says the WR talk has gotten out of hand is “borderline annoying”. I’ve honestly never been more annoyed than this year hearing about MLB and Jack Campbell in particular. That is what has gotten COMPLETELY out of hand IMO. As if our future successes are tied to one guy in particular, and a MLB at that. I’ve said it in numerous posts…a MLB scares no team. In fact, I think teams like the chiefs, bengals, jets, and dolphins HOPE we go that route early. The trust is…no team wants us to get weapons for Allen. That’s what will get us over the hump. And I really feel like Beane knows this after last season.
1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:That’s the problem just because u missed on a few guys it compounds to missing on yr right guys. Beane has also missed on Cody Ford and Spencer Brown as well as Tommy Doyle but u failed to mention that when it comes to taking a Tackle.
There’s other rounds in the draft for Wr and TE but at the top of the draft we need to go Oline or Dline especially since that’s the strength of this draft.
There are other rounds for oline and dline too. Why is everyone so programmed to believe we can’t get weapons early? To me it doesn’t matter where the “strengths” are. If you identify your guy, go get him no matter what.
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33 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
because he’s loud and a distraction instead of doing his job?WHAT?! Hahahaha!!!! Our offense was at its best when he was producing. No one can deny that. He isn’t wrong with what he said.
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Beasley pointing out the EXACT reason WR is the biggest need on this team.
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3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
I get what you’re saying but I don’t think that’s how it works. Teams grade players and the draft plays out based on that.
It was considered weak draft leading up to the draft.
With that said who is the DK Metcalf of this draft? Unreal physical talent but lacking production or good film?
Do you like arguing just to argue?
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1 minute ago, NewEra said:
Same here. Pickens then Moore then Pierce. I was hoping for one of the 3. Missed all of them
Yep. Same. And what really irritates me above all else is those that suggest we “wait till the second round”. As if there are guarantees we will have anyone there that we value. The fact is…we are gonna be doing this same song and dance every year until they finally address WR.
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29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
There’s never 27 1st round grades but magically whoever the Bills draft will be a 1st rounder on their board I’m sure. Wink wink.
AJ Epenesa was a 1st round grade Beane said. I don’t believe him, but that’s what he said.
I’ve been wondering about slot WR value. That’s what the Bills want and need. But value wise those guys are typically mid round picks. Times are changing though with most teams running 11 personnel.
This draft the top 3 WRs are slot guys.
You don’t get it. If the bills have 15 first round grades and other teams take players that they have graded later, then first round graded players fall. It’s very conceivable that there will be a player or players that might be there that are graded as firsts.
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34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Pick 27 is a 2nd round graded player. I would definitely be looking to trade down but if their guy is there and they fear he goes in the next few picks they will draft him.
There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player.
34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:Pick 27 is a 2nd round graded player. I would definitely be looking to trade down but if their guy is there and they fear he goes in the next few picks they will draft him.
There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player.
34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:Pick 27 is a 2nd round graded player. I would definitely be looking to trade down but if their guy is there and they fear he goes in the next few picks they will draft him.
There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player.
34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:Pick 27 is a 2nd round graded player. I would definitely be looking to trade down but if their guy is there and they fear he goes in the next few picks they will draft him.
There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player.
34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:Pick 27 is a 2nd round graded player. I would definitely be looking to trade down but if their guy is there and they fear he goes in the next few picks they will draft him.
There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player.
34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:Pick 27 is a 2nd round graded player. I would definitely be looking to trade down but if their guy is there and they fear he goes in the next few picks they will draft him.
There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player.
34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:Pick 27 is a 2nd round graded player. I would definitely be looking to trade down but if their guy is there and they fear he goes in the next few picks they will draft him.
There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player.
34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:Pick 27 is a 2nd round graded player. I would definitely be looking to trade down but if their guy is there and they fear he goes in the next few picks they will draft him.
There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player.
34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:Pick 27 is a 2nd round graded player. I would definitely be looking to trade down but if their guy is there and they fear he goes in the next few picks they will draft him.
There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player.
34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:Pick 27 is a 2nd round graded player. I would definitely be looking to trade down but if their guy is there and they fear he goes in the next few picks they will draft him.
There is no way of saying for sure the pick at 27 would be a second round graded player. We have no idea who the bills have graded in the first. Each team has a different board. There could conceivably be more than one player at 27 that the bills have a first on. There could also be zero. It’s just not a fact to say that pick 27 is a second round graded player.
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13 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:
Replace Beasley? He was on the team for what 3 gms? Mckenzie was supposed to be that guy, Shakir will be that guy but don't sleep on Harty and Sherfield
They literally brought Beasley out of retirement cause they didn’t have anyone that could replace his value last year. Allen was at his best in 2020 when Beasley was still really good and we had a good oline. Coincidence?
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17 minutes ago, blacklabel said:
I think I'm just looking forward to the inevitable meltdown some folks are gonna have no matter who the Bills draft.
Just remember, this stuff is supposed to be fun. If the names they announce next weekend make you wanna throw things and punch holes in the wall then maybe take a minute to ponder if football is, I dunno, your thing?
After that we'll round up the expert board analysis on Beane...who will surely have failed miserably at his job according to the message board savants of the world.
Who's that one player you really hope they don't pick? I hope they pick that guy.
Let me get this straight…one side of your mouth spouts off about not getting upset and enjoying the ride, so to speak. The other says that you hope people are upset and want chaos. Maybe football isn’t YOUR thing…
17 minutes ago, mannc said:Beane certainly could trade down for one of those guys, but there are probably only five receivers who are worth a first round pick this year (if you include Kincaid) and there are way more than five teams that are looking to add receiving talent to their roster, so it won't be easy, sitting at 27, to get one of them. This year there aren't a lot of great players at other positions to push them down to the bottom of the round.
What are you talking about? I said trade UP, not DOWN. And you laid out the very reason why one would trade up. To make sure you get your guy. I’m really not sure what you are trying to say…
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4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
So I do see pass rushing DT specifically as a premium position, although I understand traditionally it isn't seen that way. I just think in this day and age the best way to disrupt a QB is pressure up the middle.
I agree, but we can wait till later to fill that hole. We’ve been doing that for years at WR
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1 minute ago, mannc said:
I'd be happy with any of those six, but I think they'll all be gone by 27.
Again…if Beane can trade up 2 spots in a deep draft for corners for the last guy with a first round grade, what precludes him for doing it for a receiver?
2 minutes ago, sven233 said:With the lack of draft capital, moving up more than a couple of spots is going to be tough. I suppose you could use a player like Oliver to sweeten the pot a bit if you don't have plans to re-sign him, but trying to move up 10+ spots with the lack of draft picks we have this year is unlikely.
You could use a future pick or even trade down in another round to recoup some of the picks. We literally saw that play out last year.
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This sums it up nicely…
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5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
DL could certainly be the pick at 27. Not because it's a glaring need though. Because DL is ALWAYS a need for every team all the time, and it's a premium position that has a huge impact on each game, and this draft in particular appears to have a lot of DL that fits into the late 1st/early 2nd grade bucket. It isn't likely that any one offensive player is going to be sticking out on the board at 27. It might be a scenario where we either draft DL, or reach down a full round grade just to pick offense for purported need. No question in my mind I'll take the highest graded player at a premium position every time in that scenario.
We could also trade up. No one wants to consider that as a possibility, but we’ve seen it multiple times from Beane.
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10 minutes ago, mannc said:
And many wanted Josh Allen
This year, I expect Beane to use the first round pick to fill the perceived need at DL/edge.
Well I completely disagree. Most of the fanbase is just sick of the defense in the first narrative and I think Beane knows this is the year to help out his franchise qb. We watched weapons being the biggest need all season and losing edmunds shouldn’t change anything. That need still exists. I’m sorry, but Harty and Sherfield are nothing more than WR4/WR5 ST signings. They aren’t fitting into the long term plans of the team. Yes…there is no DT signed beyond this year, but other than Diggs (who will be 31 next season) and an unproven Shakir, the WR room has similar issues. This is a passing league and we have one of the top QBs in the game. Show the guy some good faith and get him some help.
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Just now, mannc said:
They drafted to fill a (perceived) need…always a bad idea.
Yep…and that’s why I laugh at the idea of BPA. Beane has never done that, but most of his apologists say he does. Now…I don’t necessarily think he reaches too far for players,but let’s not pretend that he doesn’t draft for need. This year will be interesting. I don’t think he will draft a LB before 2, but if he does, imo he deserves every ounce of criticism that he will get.
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4 minutes ago, mannc said:
Of course. Many of us here wanted them to do just that. And we appear to have been right.
I wanted the bills to wait on corner in a deep class and land woolen or Taylor Britt. Beane got antsy and moved up to get the last guy on their board instead of waiting. The idea that he is gonna trade back when we have a need at receiver this year is funny to me.
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4 hours ago, jahnyc said:
If the Bills are looking to fill immediate needs and imminent needs (i.e., 2024 needs), I think the top three picks will be some combination of ILB, DT and OT. We have a current hole at ILB, no DTs signed for 2024 (and I doubt we re-sign Oliver), and we need a swing OT (plus we need better overall play at OT and both Dawkins and Brown are free agents after 2024). We do need to upgrade at WR, so that of course may be a top three pick, but I believe the current needs are greater at these other positions.
A “hole” at MLB? Haha. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the Bills did just sign Klein. How is the need at WR any different than that with the underwhelming signings of Harty and Sherfield? Another legit receiver takes us to the next level long before a MLBer does.
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5 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:
I hope he goes early so I dont have to deal with the stress of McBeane trading up for him. #noRBin1stRound
Yeah it would suck to get possibly the best player in the draft.
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6 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:
The only lb I would take in the first two rounds is Jack Campbell. I think we can get a guy like Daiyon Henley or Dorian Williams in the later rounds. I think Klein is just a placeholder until the draft.
Again…no one cares. They just don’t. If McBeanes priority this draft is to replace edmunds with their first resource then it’s a shame. The offense has needed help all season. And I don’t care about all the dumpster divers they got in FA. The offense is still a need.
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
The closer we get the more I feel like it will be Addison. Either at #27 or with a small trade up to snag him.
This is exactly what I’m feeling. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but there has been a buzz about him that is hard to ignore.
MLB Jack Campbell #53 in the top 100 of The Athletic... is this our guy???
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A MLB is not the difference to help us get over the top. This would be beyond bad.