Ethan in Cleveland
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3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
He will continue his afc east tour to the Jets if cut. Gregg loves dirty players and needs a LB.
I could easily see this happen as you describe
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11 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:
How many super bowls does new age 21st century coaches like rams coach have?
Depends how you define new age.
Pete Carroll and Dick Vermeil and Marv Levy added new ideas and approaches despite their age. Bills teams of the 90's did little in camp and turned out to be just fine. Its the guys that dont adapt that fail.
That said some new age guys fail quite spectacularly like Chip Kelly.
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29 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:
I'd fire Garrett
Odd that he has kept his job.
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I would trade Zeke Elliott for 1st round pick.
I would sign Dak to a 3yr deal top 5 money. He is not a top 5 QB but he is worth top 5 money for that team this year and next. If he doesn't take that deal then tag him for a year.
If Dak signs then I would tag Cooper for a year. I don't think Cooper is a star but he is a bonafide #1.
If neither Dak or Cooper can be signed, I let Cooper walk and play the FA signings such to get a 3rd round comp pick. They have enough talnet on that team that they do not need to sign a large number of free agents and should be easy to have a net loss of players.
They already have the o-line. Elliott is a great player but the one most easily replaced. Dak is an above average player but the hardest to replace.
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Yes Saints at Bills where McD defense gave up 300 rushing yards and the team quit on him. Just one of several blowout losses he has had as HC. TT was terrible in that game as well no excuses there. But starting Peterman on the road in a playoff race was shall we say unwise.
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2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:
Unfortunately I just don't see Shady having a big year. Or basically just keep him as an insurance policy because most likely he will get hurt somewhere during the season.
I’m not sure who you are referencing but Shady has only missed a handful of games as a Bill and played hurt in a few more. You need depth at RB no doubt.
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This won't happen but I would sit the entire first string offense and defense. There is not a single starter that is in doubt now. Maybe Murphy vs. Lawson but who cares. They will rotate and play about the same number of snaps per game.
If they are going to play some starters, I would sit Allen, Dawkins, McCoy, Gore, Morse, Hyde, White, Poyer, Edmunds, and Hughes. The rest of the starters can get a few drives and then start watching tape on the Jets.
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3 hours ago, Georgie said:
Can't keep him on IR forever if he has healed
That's not how it works. He would need to be designated for return I think in week 10. Now if he is healed now or would be by opening day then you are correct. My hunch is the other guys are stepping up and between Johnson x 2, Wallace, and Munnerlyn they have the DBs on the roster they want.
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32 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:
Probably. One more CB and I'd definitely crown them. Still wish we kept Gilmore or Darby around to make it the next Legion of Boom. You get 2 CB1s lined up every down with pro bowl safeties around them and you have a competitive advantage only teams like Seattle back in the day, Denver's No Fly Zone with Aqib Talib and Chris Harris Jr, Pats with Gilmore / Browner / Revis / Butler / Chung / Mcourtney / Logan.. I think it's a smart way to build a great team.
But yeah they're great. Poyer and Hyde have been my favorite signings from this regime. The Safety position went from hopeless to one of the NFL best overnight.
McD let Gilmore walk and then blew a 3rd round comp pick to keep a 6th WR and a terrible Guard.
But McD also signed Hype and Poyer. I really liked the Hyde signing at the time and I did not think much of the Poyer signing.
I wish we could find out the truth as to how much of these moves were Whaley and how much was McD. They had the cap room to keep Gilmore at least on a franchise tag. Oh well
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3 hours ago, SoTier said:
In 1992, the Bills had Kirby Jackson, Nate Odomes who made the Pro Bowl in 1992, Henry Jones, an All Pro SS in 1992, and Mark Kelso. That was probably the best secondary the Bills had since the merger. Jackson's suffered a career ending injury after leaving Buffalo for Seattle, so he only played 5 years.
I don't care who the Bills other safety was in 2003 but Winfield, Clements, and Milloy were all Pro Bowlers either for the Bills or for other teams, so I'd rate them second best.
- Winfield's last season with the Bills was 2003. He went on to start for 9 more seasons with Minnesota and was a three time Pro Bowler.
- Clements last season with the Bills was 2006. He went on to start 4 more seasons for San Francisco and 1 more for Cincinatti.
- Milloy played for the Bills for 3 seasons, 2003-2005. He then went on to start for 3 seasons in Atlanta and played 2 more seasons in Seattle, starting 15 games in 2010, so he was hardly "washed up" in 2003.
Since none of the current Bills DBs has been a Pro Bowler or been named a top 100 player, it's hard to make the case that they are "the best secondary ever". They play well in McDermott's scheme but except for White, they don't seem to be outstanding individuals. Other Bills squads have had 1 outstanding individual among pretty average players that played well as a unit.
Y'know for a team that supposedly has this "elite level" secondary and an "elite" defense, the Bills sure couldn't stop teams from scoring on them in the Red Zone in 2018. Maybe that's why the rest of the NFL and media ignore them when it comes to handing out honors.
White is already a much better CN than Odomes was. Jones was very good but not elite despite the All-Pro designation. He may have been better than Poyer and Milloy as a SS, but Hyde is leagues better than Kelso ever was. So I would put present group ahead of your #1.
Milloy did have longevity but he was not a dominant player after he left New England. 19 of this career 25 INTs were with the Patriots during 6 seasons. He only had 6 more picks in 8 seasons with three teams. To be honest I thought he retired after he left Buffalo, that is how little impact he had the rest of his career. He was solid his first year in Buffalo but not spectacular.
The combination of Winfield and Clements is probably the greatest CB duo Buffalo but again I would take this group of safeties over Milloy and Person Prioleau.
While White does not have the ProBowl appearances yet, he has already showed elite skill level on the field.
So sad they did not keep Winfield and Pat Williams. The mid 2000's may have been a very different era had they just kept those two guys.
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1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:
I always knew he was garbage
Far from garbage. Top 5 scoring offense with him at QB. Protected the ball as good as anyone. I agree he never evolved into a better player and he lacked the pure passing skills needed to win consistently.
In three seasons with the Bills he threw a total of 16 interceptions. His lowest QB rating was 89.2. He had a TD/INT ratio around 3:1 and that does not include his rushing scores.
Josh threw 12 picks in 10 games last year and had a QB rating of 67.9.
Tyrod never got better, was in the league for several years before he started, and you can argue he got worse not better as a passer.
Josh has a long way to go. He's been my choice over Darnold and Mayfield. He had great moments making throws only Stafford and Rodgers can make. And he had moments of terrible decision making. He has as much upside potential as any QB in the league and showed progress last week. I'd be pleased with 2:1 TD:INT ratio with something around 24:12 and a completion percentage north of 60%.
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3 minutes ago, NewEra said:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1965_AFL/probowl.htm
got me interested in this team. Is this link wrong? Looks like it says the Bills has 36 players make the pro bowl in 1965. Lol
Wow, there are like 75 names on there. Makes the argument all 4 made the ProBowl a bit watered down.
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15 minutes ago, freddyjj said:
Some perspective. The 1965 Buffalo Bills entire starting 4 secondary - Booker Edgerson and Butch Byrd CBs and George Saimes and Hagood Clark made the Pro Bowl and Saimes and Byrd were First Team All Pro.
None of the current Bills secondary have ever made the Pro Bowl or been All Pro. So the easy answer is they are not the best Bills secondary ever...not yet anyways.
Thanks for the info. I've honesty never heard of Saimes. I will look him up.
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Odd move. Why not just keep him on IR? He must be healthy enough to come back sooner and wanted a chance to sign elsewhere.
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14 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:
Me too. But DiMarco had a sweet block on the Shady TD though. Thing of beauty.
My stance on FBs in the modern day NFL....unless they’re legit pass catchers, I really don’t see the need.
For me I keep either DiMarco or Smith, not both. Like someone else posted, Lee Smith may be surprise cut especially if Croom is able to play and DiMarco keeps up decent play. I still hate the idea of a FB in 2019 but I get he does other things. They have enough OL swing tackles to line up in heavy sets and report as eligible.
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White is a legit top 5 CB. Hyde and Poyer are both top 20 safeties, not elite but fringe ProBowl players. And the depth for legit CBs is 4 or 5 deep. Gaines coming off IR late in the season is like getting a Christmas present that was forgotten in the closet.
Winfield/Clements was a great CB duo but the safeties were terrible - Milloy in decline and Coy Wire was awful.
Odomes was very good but the rest of the secondary was average or below.
Butch Byrd is greatest DB in Bills history. But I really don't know much else about the rest of the guys he played with. I thought the Bills AFL defense's were built around DL and LBs, but I may be wrong.
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He is not worthy of PS. They should bring in someone else to get PS QB snaps. He is 50/50 on whether he will be invited to anyone's camp next year. Needs to put a lot of work in this year on his own with a QB coach
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6 minutes ago, VW82 said:
I could see us rolling with Smith, Knox, and Sweeney to start the season. Croom has two games to take his spot back. Either way, that third guy is likely getting cut when Kroft comes back from PUP.
I would rather keep 4 TE and get rid of DiMarco.
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1 hour ago, K-9 said:
Daboll has his Gronk and Hernandez to create matchup problems and dictate pace to exploit favorable sub packages.
Now before anyone goes off, I’m not saying either is as good as Gronk; far from it. Just saying Daboll is discovering two new tools in his box, he has seen up close how those tools may be used, and I won’t be the least bit surprised to see him utilize certain schemes as a result.
Can you clarify which of the rookie Bills TEs is a future Hall of Fame player?
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40 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:
Managed to be the #2 defense last year with the same pash rush.
In yards allowed. Who cares. Dumbest stat ever. When the other team is winning in the 4th quarter they are running and running out the clock.
Turnovers, sacks, 3rd down defense, red zone is what matters and they were middle of the road last year. Edge pressure improves everything. They have a secondary thart can compete with anyone. If they can get some push up the middle and not let QB's step up, the edge guys are good enough to get there. I'm most worried about a further decline in Lorax. There is really no one on the team that can play SLB and Lorax wan't that good last year. I agree Lawson is solid against the run but at this point I don't think he will ever be a pass rushing threat. If Oliver gets 6 sacks and occupies multiple defenders the pass rush will be good enough. To your point about being #2, the defense did have good games last year. Then again, they got blown off the field in a few games too.
21 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said:I do anticipate DE being one of the big(ger) needs going into next offseason, with Shaq walking and lots of us remaining skeptical of Trent's health/production. We're going to be great as a cohesive unit, but I do expect that consistent pass rush will be the weakest category among itself, run defense, the stellar secondary, and our young heat seeking LBs.
Agree, I wanted Josh Allen in the first this year and I would have moved up to get him.
Next year I want to see OLB and DE with two of the top three picks.
Wouldn't it just be amazing if Darryl Johnson is a late round ProBowl player. The Bills could use a little draft day luck.
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The same that it was all last year. The O-line still has question marks at 4 of 5 positions, TE is a disaster, and the pass rush is a concern. Fears of Ed Oliver being too small and being handled easily by NFL lineman are creeping up. 7th round DE is a nice surprise so far. Allen looked better and the WR group looks promising. The RB group looks very good. I wish they would just cut Dimarco and not waste a roster spot on a useless position.
Really need Morse to come back soon. I'm fairly certain Kroft goes to PUP making TE again a mess.
Oh yeah and what about the penalties? A problem all last year and continues this year.
After all that, it's still just the preseason. Let's see what happens in NY. Win those two games and all is good. Lose either and it is a concern. Lose both and you can start looking forward to a new HC and GM search.
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3 hours ago, K-9 said:
20/20 foresight is so much more impressive than 20/20 hindsight. Can you please link us to all your posts objecting to the above signings WHEN THEY OCCURRED?
We’ll wait.
I said Morse was overpaid at the time.
I hated Ivory signing and posted at the time.
I hated the Dareus trade.
I hated Murphy signing
I was quite ok with Star and the trade for KB.
As for the most recent moves, I like the WR signings and I like Spaine. I’m not sold on Long and Nsekhe. I think both are average to below average but serviceable players. Ford probably wins RT spot. And if Morse was healthy, Long would be in a dogfight for a roster spot with Teller.
At this point I think Beane gets an undecided grade. For every good move there have been bad.
But every word I just typed is meaningless, because it is all about Allen. McD and Beane are gone if Allen is a bust.
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5 hours ago, unbillievable said:
Doug Whaley/Nix built a REALLY good roster... with the exception of a quarterback. They don't deserve the hate they get here for that... maybe for Rex, but many people loved that move then too.
It's been said that every GM/Couch will be judged by their choice of quarterback, no matter how well he does everywhere else. I guess it's true.
Whaley didn’t hire Rex. Pegula did.
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There are far worse players than Lawson. D+ is not accurate for his level of play. It's not even that fair for his draft status. He is a C+ player. B- in run game.
I think the wait might actually be over.
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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1. Don't read anything into preseason football
2. There are many more teams to fear than the Patriots
I agree with the optimism. Where in years past they had significant talent gaps, this year there are more question marks than obvious areas of concern. The three most obvious are will Allen and Edmunds continue to develop, and can you build an o-line with 4 new players. Then come questions about TE and pass rush.
The schedule is manageable enough that this team should be in the playoff chase late into December. Anything less than 8 wins and still being in the playoff discussion week 15 is a failure in year 3.