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As an organization if you really are tanking you have to start Rosen the rest of the season. You need to know if a guy drafted #10 just last year can be the franchise QB for your team. If he can it changes what you will do at next years draft.
The best case scenario for Miami is that Rosen catches fire, plays well and the Dolphins win a couple of games and are picking say #3. At this point they don't have to take a QB and could potentially trade out of #3 for a lot of picks. Worst case scenario is Rosen sucks you get the #1 pick and you can trade him for a 7th round draft pick. There is NO value to winning games with Fitz. You lose draft position and Fitz is not the answer to your QB needs.
I think the reason they benched Rosen today was to keep him alive to play again. Not to mention that you don't want him to get booed off the home field. Not good for a young QB's confidence.
11 minutes ago, McBean said:Please be Rosen so we can have the answer to the burning question of, “Did we take the right Josh?”
I'm thinking that question has already been convincingly answered!
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3 hours ago, ny33 said:
2018 offense and how it has shaped Allen’s development
Last year's offense was, perhaps, one of the worst in NFL history, with our Wyoming rookie QB playing behind a line barely qualified to make NFL rosters (barring Dawkins), with McCoy his only weapon (and McCoy clearly rendered helpless behind a bottom-5 line); the pathetic effort/drops of Kelvin Benjamin, paired with a rookie WR in Zay Jones whose use to NFL teams is as a slot/underneath option in space/from the backfield rather than the downfield role he was expected to play, did lasting damage to Allen's psyche and has driven his "heroball" mentality. Combined with the inexcusable lack of a veteran backup, he was set up to fail, though his physical gifts and work ethic/drive shone in spurts last year. I consider the emergence of a motivated Foster as crucial to Allen's development, helping drive his confidence in the ability to throw downfield (with outstanding performance from Foster, especially for a rookie, in catching and adjusting to deep throws from an errant and green rookie).
2019’s NFL-caliber offense with disciplined/talented veterans and rookies ahead of the curve
I think this point is underappreciated by some Bill's fans. You can make a strong argument that last year Allen was put into a position every bit as bad as Rosen was.
Everything from not taking a lot of 1st team snaps during training camp & preseason; a terrible O-line; the worst reeving core (WR's & TE's) in the NFL and a weak stable of RB's.
That Allen has made the progress he has is a main reason to be optimistic.
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Very quietly the Pats have used up most of the quarter and the Giants wind advantage.
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Pats are playing Jones very differently then Allen. With Allen they blitzed on almost half the plays. Tonight they're sitting back and mostly rushing 3 or 5 guys.
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Nugent is trying to give Belichick a heart attack!
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Just now, TheFunPolice said:
Giants top players at WR TE RB are out
30th ranked defense
This shouldn't be a game
It's like the KC/Indy game where the Colts were missing their entire defensive backfield which should have translated to a KC blow out. NE might lose this game.
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1 minute ago, Bills2ref said:
Love the 4 straight runs now
They're protecting Brady.
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The hate for NE is strong on this thread young Padawan.
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Wow.
This should be a wake up call to the Bills with Miami coming up. These guys are pros and when they're double digit underdogs pride comes into play.
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Nice throw and catch but I suspect that was an even better play design.
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38 minutes ago, london_bills said:
We need to see more good from Allen to outweigh the picks. Even if he throws picks but we see him get better, 300 yd game, good throws and reads, clutch drives THEN THAT OUTWEIGHS THE PICKS FOR ME.
If he's throwing 20+ picks for the next few years that's a problem. But at this point in his developmental and given the type of QB he is it's not a big deal.
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Just now, Maine-iac said:
Jones or Allen? I can't tell if this is the Bill's or Giants game anymore.
Actually Allen was taking deep shots and getting picked. Both throws by Jones seemed worse IMO.
As an aside, shouldn't someone arrest NE for child abuse here? Jones could have had 2 more INT's!
Bottom line though is that this game provides no special insight into whether Jones is the guy for the Giants. This is what the Pats do to young QB's.
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Damn, hate the guy but Belichick sure knows how to coach. Brady is clearly fading so he rebuilds the D & ST's and they start scoring points.
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Wow, Jones lucky Gilmore didn't pick him. That was a flat out dropped INT!
Of course a Belichick D chewing up a rookie QB is no surprise.
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2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:
Being on pace to do something is merely a projection. Nobody has a crystal ball obviously...
In what world is that many interceptions in a season considered good?Let me rephrase - it's okay if in that same world Allen throws 32 TD passes.
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2 hours ago, Bangarang said:
I know it’s not ALL Allen but he is on pace to finish this season with 22 interceptions.I've never understood all the folks who argue that a player is "on pace" for this or that. NFL performances are almost never linear. Allen may not throw another INT for 5 games or he may throw 10 more in that time.
And if he does throw 22 interceptions whether that's good or bad will depend on how many TD's he scores.
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58 minutes ago, Bangarang said:
Believe me the points about us gaining yards and being great in the Redzone aren’t lost on me. We are able to move the ball pretty well but the biggest issue to me seems to be Allen turning the ball over way too many times (which you acknowledged). It’s great that Allen seems to play his best in the 4th quarter but I also don’t want to see bad teams keeping games close because he turns the ball over trying to do too much.It's way more then Allen turning the ball over.
* There have been bad drops. Both our rookie TE's dropped passes that stopped these kinds of drives against TN.
* There have been sacks, which sometimes are on Allen but other times on the O-line.
* There have been bad penalties. Remember that dead ball PF against Feliciano that took us out of FG range against the Jets? Or those other holding penalties that stalled out drives?
* Play calling sometimes gets goofy when we get into this area. Remember the Allen QB sneak on 4th & 2 at TN? Or how about the McKenzie jet sweep on 3rd & 1 against Cincy?
The good news is that this is all fixable.
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23 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:
I don't believe Daboll is waiting to unleash the full power of this offense. What we have is:
An offense with 8 or 9 starters who have played 5 total NFL games together, led by a 2nd year QB with 16 total NFL games under his belt.
They have played 3 defenses in the top 12 in YPG
They have played 3 defenses in the top 12 in defensive DVOA
They have played 2 teams in the top 6 in PPG
Against the other two teams, they averaged over 400 YPG, 24 first downs PG, and 24.5 PPG
Overall, after five games, they are 12th in YPG
Overall, after five games, they are 26th in PPG (Although, they are 7th in redzone points and 4th in redzone TDs)
They actually have a pretty good offense that could be very good. They have moved the ball against every team they have played. Their problems have been consistency, turnovers, and critical mistakes (penalties, drops, etc) that end drives, particularly scoring drives. They clearly have done well once they get into the redzone; however, they have had so many drives end inside the opponents 50, but outside of scoring range. Mostly because of these issues. I won't even mention the coma the team and coaching staff seemed to slip into in the third quarter of 4 of the 5 games.
If they can just correct these things, they will be a top ten offense in both yards and points.
The reason I'm optimistic that this offense will get on track is that when you look at the stats they're kind of goofy. As you point out once in the red zone the Bills are very good. The problem seems to be that they implode when they get to the opponents 30 - 40 yard line. Think about every game and how many DIFFERENT ways (sack, TO, penalty, play call) we mess up at the 35 yard line? I think in the 1st half of week one we got to the Jets 35 three different times without scoring a point.
Given the almost total overhaul of the offense and the addition of new coaches at O-line, Receivers & QB it's only natural that the unit has struggled for consistency. They have moved the ball and are almost surgical in scoring TD's once in the red zone. Develop that consistency and this will be a team scoring 24 - 28 points regularly going forward.
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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:
If you take away his 50 yards on the jet sweep he had a terrible game! LMFAO what is this
Analytics!
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1 hour ago, jrober38 said:
I didn't realize that. As I said I didn't watch any of the game.
Just going off the box score and what I heard from friends and family who did. They all said Allen was okay, and that the offense mostly did nothing, and that the pick was bad.
Feel free to explain how his performance was "great" if you disagree with what I said.
It wasn't great it was very good. And it was very good based on the circumstances. And those circumstances were:
* The Bills, boasting a top 3 defense, were on the road facing a top 10 defense. It was raining on & off and they were playing on a grass field. The TN offense does not turn over the ball. Add all this up and we needed to be careful with the ball as it would likely be a low scoring game.
* Allen was very careful with the ball as we had only 1 TO and that INT was not a terrible throw by Allen.
* The Bills got into the red zone twice and scored TD's both times.
* The Bills were able to run out the last 4 minutes of the game, denying TN a chance to tie the game.
* The Bills won the TOP stat which is important in close defensive dominated games.
* The Bills won the field position battle as the Offense was able to string a couple of 1st downs together to enable multiple punts inside the 20 yard line.
* Allen was sharp on almost every throw he made. He made mostly good decisions and his run at the end of the game sealed the victory for the Bills. Similar to his overcoming the bad pick 6 right before halftime against Miami last year, Allen overcame a concussion and a very bad performance against NE the week before. This demonstrates a critical intangible for bouncing back after bad things happen. An important part of any QB's game.
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1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:
My post literally lays out exactly why I did. Read it again, a poster said they didnt watch the game. I made an observation that Allen only had 169 yards if you remove that sweep to McKenzie, but that he did take what the defense was giving him a d didnt try to beat the titans secondary.
To be fair you should then give Allen two completions for the bad drops by Knox & Sweeny which would have given the Bills first downs in TN territory and added at least 6 more plays and the potential for a lot of extra yards. In fact, if we're going to play "coulda, woulda, shoulda" I'm quite confident Allen throws 2 more TD's passes on those drives and adds at least 75 more yards passing (with the drops).
2 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:Immense contributions? The kid has how many turnovers?
It's like praising the guy who saved the burning house, only to find out hes the one who lit it on fire to begin with.
Allen has taken strides this year, that's obvious, but hes also still had a lot of struggles which are obvious.
I'd be willing to bet, you put Allen on a team with a bottom ranked D, and there is not a chance he has four wins under his belt.
I'll take that bet. Let's put Allen on the KC Chiefs. Very bad defense but with Andy Reid and a whole lot of weapons on the O how do you think it works out?
I'm very confident that the Chiefs are still 4 - 1.
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7 minutes ago, GG said:
To beat the topic to death, here's the other angle on the play. Titans had the first read covered well, and Allen should have moved off sooner. But he still had Knox open for a while. Actually after looking at this 1,000 times, I'm now placing a bit more blame on Knox. He needed to cut off his pattern and settle in the soft zone that was empty, because Beasley cleared out the safety. This is a play where Gronk has made a killing.
Another problem IMO is that NO ONE heads deep when Allen starts to scramble. I'm surprised at least one of the receivers isn't told to "go" at that moment. Not only would you drag your cover guy out of the middle but you might take a safety with you. And if no one covers you it might be a huge play.
I think both Yeldon & Beasley hesitated not wanting to BOTH run into the same space. You can file that under S##T happens. If either one had run into that space you probably have a completed pass.
Knox wasn't as open as he looked as #26 was lurking in the area and would have either intercepted the ball or lit Knox up. As another poster pointed Knox should have sat down in the hole. With experience that's exactly what he'll do. We have to remember that not only is he a rookie but as a college TE he had almost no involvement in the passing game. He is still very RAW.
My takeaway is that Allen made an aggressive but acceptable pass into traffic on 3rd down. The Bills need to work on their scramble drill is it appears that 4 receivers are all in a 5 yard wide zone between the 40 - 45 yard line. They have to stretch the field and DB's out once Allen breaks the pocket.
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1 hour ago, Augie said:
If Knox sits down in that space, Josh’s arm makes that happen easily IMO. Keep running and he could get crushed, but he’s a physical TE vs a DB. But obviously we will never know.
We won, I’m happy!
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Great point. As Knox gains more experience he will sit down in that hole and Allen will hit him for the 1st down. It's easy to forget that not only is Knox a rookie he's a TE that had almost no involvement in the passing game in college. His upside is off the charts IMO.
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2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:
I just posted this in another thread.
I added the All 22 view of the interception below. I still believe he is throwing to Yeldon. When he first takes the snap he first looks to Beasley and then over to Yeldon. He then scrambles to avoid a sack, looks to Beasley again and then to Yeldon. When the ball leaves Allen's hand, the DB is almost directly behind Yeldon. If Yeldon continues running, he almost certainly would have stayed in front of the DB and be in position to make the catch.
I first blamed Yeldon; however, I will change my mind and put the blame on neither. As I said in another post, you have WRs trying to adjust to a QB trying to evade a sack, and a QB trying to react to the WR's adjustments. Not to mention, it involved a QB and 3 WRs who have played 5 total NFL games together.
I don't think it was an ill advised pass. Allen had stopped and set up. He was interpreting the adjustment of his WR and put the ball where he thought that WR would be.
After watching this I would file it under S!!T happens. IMO this supports that:
* Allen is not playing hero ball here. He is being aggressive which IMO is a good thing.
* I like how Allen scans the field working through his progressions.
* Folks saying that Knox was open are seeing fools gold IMO. #26 is ready to jump all over any throw to Knox over the middle. At minimum Knox would have gotten blown up.
* My best guess as to what happened is that Allen expected EITHER Beasley or Yeldon to run into the space where he put the ball. If either do I think it's a completed pass for a 1st down. The problem is that both receivers did the right thing to hold up and let the other guy move into that space. So like I said before S!!T happens.
* Either Beasley or Yeldon should have taken off deep on a go pattern. That way the one who took off would have cleared their cover guy out of the middle and maybe even have provided a great deep strike opportunity. Bottom line is the scramble drill needs work.
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Andy Reid now choking in regular season
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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What a difference in perceptions a couple of weeks make in the NFL!
Wait, I think I just saw Winston throw another Interception! And the stewardess is taking it to house!