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6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:
If you watched the game today and didn't see a strong passing game from Allen, I just don't know what to say. The completion percentage is meaningless without context. There were drops as usual, passes thrown away that should have been thrown away, and even the passes that were simply incomplete the majority of them were accurate passes that the DB simply made a play on.
I remember thinking as I was watching the replay of the Foster touchdown that Allen looked great standing tall in the pocket, a pocket which actually held up for him and allowed him to step into his throw and not throw it on the run and off balance for a change. If we can get an O-Line in front of him and give him a pocket to sit in he is going to tear this league up.
This was by far Allen's best passing performance yet. The completion percentage doesn't tell the story today.
This is absolutely the correct take-away from yesterday's game. Those of us happy about Allen's passing performance are not looking at the stats but looking at the context in which Allen threw the ball. Watching him stand tall in the pocket, scan the field and make mostly accurate throws downfield answered an important question about his development. For me a couple of key questions were answered:
* He can execute the short passing game. He was 8/10 out of the gate.
* He can stand in the pocket and when given time pick a defense apart. He doesn't require "chaos" all around him to make a big throw downfield - he can calmly do it from the pocket in the old fashioned way.
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1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said:
Will we be as cocky and arrogant as NE fans if he does become the next HOF QB.
I hope so, it would be a small price to pay.
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16 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:
I think people are overall more pleased with this garbage season over last years playoff season. Weird ha?
The only reason last years playoff season was in any way good was that it ended a ridiculously long 18 year playoff drought. The fact that it took a miracle play by Andy Dalton to put the BIlls into the playoffs and then the lackluster performance by the Bills in the playoffs sort of lessened the impact if this achievement for me.
After we took Allen at QB and let Tyrod go the most critical question of this season was whether Allen was the guy. I would submit that while it's not a done deal yet he does appear to be that elusive franchise QB we've been looking for since the days of Kelly. That's why this season is much more exciting for me then last season was.
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You have to give credit where credit is due and the O-line pass protected very well in the 2nd half - particularly the 4th quarter.
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30 minutes ago, zow2 said:
I figured Allen was wildly inaccurate based on scouting and would miss dudes by 10 yards, but he’s been solid. Even several of his misses are fingertips and *could* be caught.
my only concern right now is that every week he settles into 50% completions. That has to get better next year
It will with improved WR & TE play.
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11 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:
I think we are seeing what it has been like to be a Wyoming Fan the past 4 years. ?
marveling at the talent, big plays and excitement and then at the same time searching for reasons for lack of results.
But given Wyoming's history prior to Allen's arrival he did produce for the Cowboys.
Allen's path to the NFL has been very different then most elite level QB's. He played at a small rural HS and wasn't recruited out of HS. One of the reasons he wasn't recruited is he never attended the camps that high school kids (especially from rural areas) need to attend to BOTH improve their game and get noticed. Then he spent a year at Jr. College, played well there. He then tried to get to fbs college football by sending out a boat load of tapes see if anyone wanted him. And only Wyoming called.
The bottom line is that if you compare the coaching & training Allen has received since becoming a teenage QB it is substantially less then almost every QB playing in the NFL today. The likelihood that we'll see huge improvements in his game going forward are excellent because for the first time in his life he's receiving elite level coaching/training to go along with his elite level skills. IMO this is the reason we should be optimistic about Allen.
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1 hour ago, Virgil said:
5 - Lions Defense against Allen - I was wondering how long it would take for opposing defenses to run some plays to negate Allen's rushing attack. The answer came today as the Lions ran a few schemes. For starters, the defensive line pinched the middle of the field when we ran the spread formation, not allowing Allen to break up the middle for a gain. On most pass plays, the Lions kept a spy on Allen, usually LB Jarrad Davis who helped prevent Allen from taking off. Credit to Allen for breaking the spy on his TD run, but he was overall forced to pass the ball, which he seemed fine doing as well.
10 - Allen - I'm going to say that this might have been one of Allen's better games this season. The rushing stats weren't there and he still made his weekly rookie mistake, but I liked how he adapted, his accuracy, and how overall he looked like a pocket quarterback this week. For the ugly, he still struggles to throw the ball away when scrambling out of the pocket and almost threw two interceptions. Someone needs to sit in a room and make him watch tape of those throws on repeat for a few days until he gets it. In the first half, he took a sack that knocked them out of field goal range because he broke outside of the pocket vs stepping up into it. It's worked in previous weeks, but not today.
Now, for the positive. I really think this was his most accurate week. He had a few throws that required some extra effort by the receivers, but nothing that was un-catchable. I think Thompson will tell you he should have got his deep ball as would a few other guys. The Lions weren't going to let Allen break any big plays and it didn't really slow Allen down at all. Like every other week, he didn't look frazzled and just went with it. His deep ball to Foster was beautiful and he did what he needed to do to win the game. His hard count to get an off-sides on the last drive was well played as well. Overall, just a really good day for him.
Nice review. I look forward to reading them after the game. I would only add that for:
#5 - Once the Bills surround Allen with some dangerous skill players teams that try to do what the Lions did today to shut down his running game will get torched.
#10 - Funny even though Allen only ran for 16 yards they were all big plays - he got three 1st downs and a TD off his runs. This is where things get interesting next year. if the Bills can land a dominant WR and a decent TE teams are going to have a hard time game planning this offense. Do they go all out to stop Allen's runs and get carved up through the air or do they take their chances with Allen as a RB? What I want to see is 3 games in a row where Allen only rushes for a total of 50 yards then have a game where he goes for 135. That IS sustainable in the NFL.
14 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:The career 52.4% completion percentage is a good place to start.
Seems to me this is becoming an increasingly irrelevant stat by the game.
Today Allen showed good accuracy.
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15 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:
Allen poise and attitude definitely makes it look like he is big enough (not just physically) to play at the next level.
one of the things with Allen that is so exciting about Allen...is that he is exciting to watch. He is a very Boom or Bust player on drives.
Take that one drive where I think he let it fly on 3 straight plays...those were all very exicting to see the ball fly and it gets your heart and imagination pumping. BUT they were all incomplete.
So going into his 2nd year his results are going to have to match his excitement potential.
for all the excitement...Allen still had pretty average stat line today. Barley cracking 200 yards passing with 1 TD and 50% completion. Ehhh. But still so early.
But this is where an upgrade in skill position talent is going to pay HUGE dividends for the Bills. On that drive ALL 3 passes could have and probably should have been caught. Hell, if just one of those passes is caught we have a first down and who knows what comes next.
And for the record it's not making excuses for Allen to say this. We all watched the game and there's no disputing that at least one & likely two of those "incompletions" should have been caught. This is a simple problem to fix because it DOESN'T involve FIXING the QB.
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7 minutes ago, cage said:
I have a Twitter list of Bills/Sabres sports reporters that I follow during games. They're quick to point out when he's off target, but the many of his passes both long and short were very accurate today! Zero tweets on the topic from our reporters.
The Western NY sports media is very average and I'm being kind. My sense is that a lot of them went all in on the "Allen is a bust" meme ad are having a hard time walking it back. Which when you get right down to it is pretty unprofessional.
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49 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:
If not for a clay drop. Hed have 4 as a rookie.
Say what you will about his ability hes a gamer.
This is a hugely important stat that doesn't show up under completion % or TD passes. It's one of those intangibles, like his leadership and over the top athleticism, that has really impressed me so far. And I would be lying if I said I knew he had it in him all along.
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2 minutes ago, Doc said:
Reports are that they're benching Rosen for the season.
This might be a good move. I think BOTH Allen & Darnold benefited from their time on the bench and Lamar Jackson didn't see the field until well into the season. Only Mayfield was advanced enough to come out a play well without a break.
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9 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:
Dude this is 4 weeks too late. Nobody's brought up Rosen as the better pick in forever.
I don't want to measure Allen by how much a bust Rosen might look. By this point I just want the right Josh to be good by the right Josh's standards.
This is a very important observation PT5P because once we reach the point where we don't care what the other Josh is doing it means our Josh is doing just fine thank you.
I think the reason folks throw this out when Allen has a good game and Rosen doesn't is that there was so much "hate" for Allen and "love" for Rosen by Bills posters on TBD around the time of the draft. It was over the top IMO. At the time I was a lurker here and not a poster but anyone who claims it wasn't happening isn't remembering things right.
But Allen's play has given us confidence that we got the right Josh. Hell, I was rooting for BOTH rookie QB's yesterday because their success has nothing to do with Allen's. But at the same time I can cut folks slack who were on the Allen train in April - they took a pretty good beating on here.
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This seems like an important win to me. Not because it mattered in the real world but because talking about draft positioning is all well & good but sometimes losing becomes a habit that's hard to break even after we've upgraded the teams talent.
I also think it was an important win because of what it showed us about Allen. He can stand in the pocket and make great throws. He seemed more in command of the offense today then I've seen him all year. The other aspect of Allen's game that was reinforced by today's performance is that the kid doesn't get rattled easily. A couple of dropped balls might be expected to screw with the confidence of a rookie but it doesn't with this kid. In fact I get the sense that he would tell you that he needed to make a better pass rather then blame the receiver.
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3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
NFL throw, NFL catch. That's what we need more of.
Exactly right. Great touch throw and great catch.
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This type of play calling just blows my mind. Under the circumstances and GIVEN that you gave up an easy 3 points to go for it on 4th & 2 in the 3rd quarter, you needed to approach this last possession like you were behind.
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4 minutes ago, MDH said:
When a guy has 2 yards on the DB he shouldn’t have to lay out, on a dead sprint to pull in a spectacular catch.
If he doesn’t make a spectacular catch fans claim it’s a dropped ball.
I swear when people heard Allen was inaccurate they pictured a guy who couldn’t throw it within 10 yards of his target so anytime he gets it close that ends up being good enough.
Do you watch NFL games? Because if you did you would know that the deep pass should have been caught. The second pass absolutely should have been caught. And if the WR made a better effort to come back to the ball that 3rd pass would have been completed.
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I'm sorry but anyone watching this game with an open mind knows damn well that Allen has thrown the ball GREAT today. His receivers don't give him any help at all. It is not reasonable to expect Allen to make perfect throws every time. I believe that 90% of the WR's in the league make all three of those catches on that last drive.
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Two drops in a row are you kidding me! Sure, they would have been good catches but please!
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2 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:
While not yet giving up a ton of points...pretty disappointed in the D.
In a way this is how the season has gone for this unit. It's a defenses version of check down passes being used to pad the stats. Sure not a lot of points given up but no TO's. Both times Detroit got into the Red Zone they score TD's. Giving up to many long drives that flip field position. Only 1 or 2 three & outs to generate momentum.
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That's what a TE can do. The lack of production at the TE position for the Bills is unbelievable.
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It is UN-freaking-acceptable that he juggled that ball. It's bad enough these guys don't make great catches but for crying out loud that was a great throw from the pocket.
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3 minutes ago, Tcali said:
possibly---but that doesnt excuse him making so many mistakes.
And what mistakes has he been making today?
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1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:
This staff has been sheltering him for a while. He's still in over his head and they are trying to protect him as much as possible while he progresses with baby steps.
You can't count the number of times he has been asked to take a deep drop, make reads, go through is progressions, and throw the ball, on one hand.
I disagree 100%. Sure they don't want to see him get killed but they're not sheltering him. They are taking what the Lions are giving them.
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Allen and the offense did their job by flipping the field. Now the D has to 3 and out the Lions so the Bills can get good field position.
Also, did Jones slow down on that deep pass? Judas Priest he didn't look like he was running very fast.
Week 16: Patriots Game Preparation - Inactives Announced with Charles Clay, Chris Ivory, and Ray Ray McCloud Out
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I'm an optimist by nature but I think the Bills get their butts whipped against the Pats and that Allen has a bad day. My reasoning is simple - when was the last time the Patriots lost THREE IN A ROW in DECEMBER?
I suspect Belichick will become personally involved in the defensive game plan in order to try to destroy Allen on Sunday. Giving that the Pats are facing future great QB's in Buffalo and NY he will do what is needed to try to stunt Allen's development by creating the conditions for the rookie to have a bad game. Then if you add up the Bills injuries I just don't think we can go into NE and play well.
Now I hope I'm wrong because it would make this season very sweet if we went into NE and robbed them of a bye week and home field in the divisional playoffs. Even better IMO is that if the Pats lose to the Bills Sunday, it really will mean that the evil empire is collapsing and next year the Division is WIDE OPEN.