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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
1) I was very to move on from Tyrod. I think the national people saw a qb who helped us get to the playoffs and played effective football. Obviously, we knew how limited Tyrod was and it was time to move on. But as of this point, Allen was not an upgrade to Tyrod but obviously he has time to develop. But to outside people, it looks like a dumb move.
2). How much better was the cast last year? Obviously the line was better but this year has Zay in his second year. I think both offensive groups are bad but I don’t see it being a huge upgrade one way or the other.
5). How do Bills fans feel about Rosen? Because he is ahead of Allen on most passing stats but I’m sure we don’t think he is having a good rookie year. So that’s how a lot of people probably think when they look at Allen.
i freely admit I wasn’t a fan of the pick. I hate the upside, not super productive (especially in a low conference) guy. They terrify me. But I love the Bills and want him to be great. But I’m not just going to pretend. He is pretty much who I thought he would be (he is way faster though than I though). He’s had good moments and bad ones. Hopefully, this team gets better at finding offensive talent. But I certainly can understand why people outside of Bills fans don’t think he i special right now. I hope he makes them all eat their words but it hasn’t happen yet.
I'll take a stab at responding to these 3 points Biscuit:
1) The truth of the matter is that the QB who got us into the playoffs last year was named Andy Dalton.
2) The O-line was MUCH better. The WORST type of pressure a QB can face is when it comes right up the middle. Losing your two BEST O-linemen who happen to play guard & center guaranteed that Allen would face problems up the gut that Tyrod didn't have to deal with. One can only imagine how much better Allen's passing stats would be if he could reliably step up into a pocket to make his throws.
5) I think that Allen has significantly outperformed Rosen to date. He's shown himself to be a better passer and a much better runner and leader.
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3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:
Ill summarize for those who dont want to waste their time:
Allen: He isnt as good as Tyrod Taylor, why did the Bills bother. (Comparing a rookie and a 8+ Year Veteran pretty much negates his entire argument)
Allen Summary: He has to be more accurate, his wideouts aren't good but it's not their fault they have a 2nd in the NFL drop rate of 5.4
Darnold Summary: His offensive line is bad, his supporting cast, and coaches all suck. It isnt Darnold's fault they have a 4. whatever percent drop rate. Darnold needs a better supporting cast:
Jackson Summary: Jackson is going to get hurt running so much, and he needs to stop turning the ball over so much
Mayfield Summary: Baker is already a Franchise QB
Rosen Summary: He really doesnt deserve all the negativity. He is on his 2nd coordinator and has so many injuries on his team. His scheme makes him suck, but man look at how good his footwork is. He will be so much better next year.
Overall Summary: I really liked Mayfield, Darnold and Rosen coming out and didnt like Jackson or Allen.
Wow your overall summary hit the nail on the head! That's exactly what my take on reading this was. I thought his description of Rosen was especially embarrassing.
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26 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:
Do people think if McDermott had committed to Allen at the beginning of training camp and not wasted the time he did with McCarron and Peterman, that Allen might be further along now?
Yes and it makes Allen's current progress all the more remarkable.
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22 hours ago, billsfan5121 said:
It really doesn’t sound right, but in a way I can see how Allen’s velocity and ball placement could cause issues, resulting in more drops. I’m not talking about uncatchable passes, but those ones that are slightly off but would still constitute as a drop, whereas a Brees type of qb may have put it in the perfect spot
Alternatively Anderson, Barkley & Peterman threw a LOT of check down passes that aren't exactly a challenge to catch. Of course these check down throws to mediocre play makers often result in gains of 6 yards on 3rd & 9.
Remember a check down pass to Gurlly, Kemora or McCaffrey works because they are elite level play makers out of the backfield. The Bills aren't blessed with that level of talent.
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6 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:
not to sound ignorant but, what happens stat wise in that case? josh completes a pass...called back for penalty. does that even get recorded in the attempts/comp.?
If the defense accepts the penalty then the play never happened so nothing is entered into the stats.
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4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
It's amazing Allen wasn't sacked on this play.
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I think Cleveland is ecstatic about Mayfield and is having no regrets.
I suspect both Buffalo & the Jets are optimistic about their QB selections and with good reason.
I figure that the Ravens are still trying to figure out how they would use Jackson as a QB over the next 5 years.
My guess is that only Arizona may be having 2nd thoughts. First we know they made a strong bid to get Allen. And my concern with Rosan wouldn't be so much his on field production, given that he's playing in a very bad offense, my concern would be that I'm not seeing the intangibles (leadership, grit & making those around him better) that would suggest he'll be a top level QB in the way I've seen them out of both Allen & Darnold.
But then again 2 years from now we may be having a completely different discussion as we're still very early in the careers of all these guys.
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1 hour ago, matter2003 said:
Arizona din't mess up the Rosen pick, they wanted Allen and settled for Rosen
This is a fact that often gets ignored when comparing the two QB's - especially in Buffalo.
1 hour ago, Magox said:It is true that Rosen has had the most injuries to his front 5 but it's hard to argue that Buffalo's line is better than Arizona's. Allen gets pressured more than any other QB, not only do the stats back that up in many metrics but all we have to do is see for ourselves, Allen literally drops back, looks looks and BAM!!! Pass pressure comes in.
Agree 100% with this. BOTH Rosen AND Allen have been dumped into bad offensive situations. But to suggest that Rosn's supporting cast on offense is substantially worse then Allen's seems crazy to me.
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Great article and I think it was fair because Quinn pointed out something that a lot of the National football media seems to ignore - Allen has very little help from his offensive teammates.
If you look at the rankings of how the QB's have played to date Quinn get's it right by putting Mayfield at the top and Allen second. Talk that Allen may have a higher upside is just talk at this point. Hopefully over the next 10 years this becomes a raging debate. Because if it does it means Allen is that guy for us.
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3 hours ago, papazoid said:
Given the pressure Allen was under the throw was one of the 5 best passes in the NFL this season to date.
The route run by the receiver was excellent - speed kills baby!
The catch though was pedestrian. EVERY NFL WR should make that catch; almost all College WR's should make that catch; a good number of High School WR's will make that catch and on Thanksgiving day some over weight Turkey eaters will make that catch in the back yard.
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12 hours ago, VW82 said:
Allen did a lot of things on the field yesterday but I want to only look at the throws he attempted so we can better understand what's actually happening, and specifically his propensity for throwing bad passes. For the record, I understand this isn't fair to him. Josh makes plays with his legs, and extends plays other QBs don't. That's all fine and good. This is about what happens when he throws the ball, and trying to better understand the reasons behind his accuracy issues (i.e. is it on him, his receivers, his line, etc.?).
1st quarter:
14:48 - quick out to Zay Jones on target (penalty Dawkins) 1/1
14:30 - connects on a nice curl with McKenzie for 18 yards 2/2
12:40 - play action but no one's open. Josh buys time scrambling right and throws it away. 2/3
11:48 - screen to McCoy. Josh throws it a little before he's ready and McCoy drops it. 2/4
11:00 - dump off to Murphy after a blitz on 3rd and 7. First down. 3/5
3:28 - play action dump off to Thomas for 5 yards. 4/6
2:40 - read option, quick out to Zay for 5 yards and a first. 5/7
2:05 - play action quick dump off to Dimarco. Pass was inaccurate and falls incomplete. 5/8
2:00 - quick slant to Clay over the middle for 6 yards. 6/9
1:15 - Allen draws Jets offside with the hard count, takes a shot and misses but draws the flag. 6/9
Summary: 6/9 completed passes, only one inaccurate throw and it happened when Allen was under duress.
2nd quarter:
5:41 - Josh has tons of time but throws over Clay's head incomplete (penalty Jets - as an aside, I watched this play multiple times and Clay doesn't make that catch even if he isn't held. The throw was too high.)
5:36 - quick throw to the left behind the line to McKenzie. The throw is way off but McKenzie makes a great catch and runs for five yards (penalty Foster OPI)
4:57 - The infamous pick for grabs. We all saw it. It might have been Allen's worst throw on the year. 0/1
2:00 - Josh stands in the pocket and delivers a great throw to McKenzie for 19 yards. 1/2
1:35 - Lots of time, eventually Allen gets chased out and throws it away. 1/3
1:27 - Again lots of time. Allen throws over the middle and air mails a wide open McKenzie. Dropped INT by the defender. 1/4
1:21 - Allen takes a huge shot as he throws a great ball to Foster for 15 on a curl. 2/5
1:12 - Josh badly misses a short throw over the middle to Thompson who was wide open. Thompson dove for the ball and almost made an incredible play. 2/6
0:47 - Josh throws a little behind Zay on a crossing route to the left, Zay drops it. He should have caught that one. 2/7
0:36 - quick out to Zay for 4 yards. 3/8
Summary: 3/8 completed passes. 2 kinda bad throws (to McKenzie and Clay); 2 legit bad throws (McKenzie and Thompson); 1 WOAT-type throw (INT)
3rd quarter:
14:07 - Quick throw to the left behind the line to Foster for 2 yards. 1/1
13:34 - Allen leaves the pocket early before there's any pressure, runs toward the pressure, then makes the exact same throw that resulted in the INT in the first half. It lands no where near a Bills receiver though I think it was meant for Zay. 1/2
5:35 - Play action dump off to Ivory. The throw is no where near accurate, forcing Ivory to have to stop his route and come back 180 degrees to make a play. on it, and he almost makes it. 1/3
5:29 - Allen stands in the pocket and delivers a nice ball to Foster along the sideline for a first down. 2/4
4:11 - Allen quick hits McKenzie over the middle. McKenzie makes a nice move for big PAC. 3/5
3:27 - Pass rush quickly forces Josh into scramble mode, and he throws it away. 3/6
Summary: 3/6 passes completed; one bad throw (Ivory), one really, really bad throw (Zay).
4th quarter:
10:07 - Josh doesn't like what he sees, and so he scampers right to buy time and completes a nice out to Foster for 6 yards. 1/1 (penalty on Jets)
9:42 - Play action roll out. Nice throw on the move to Thompson for a first down. 2/2
9:17 - trick screen play completed to Murphy for 2 yards. (penalty OPI on Foster)
8:51 - Allen is forced to get rid of it early due to pressure and the ball sails on him just OB. 2/3
8:45 - Allen throws a rocket right into Zay chest. We know how that turned out. 2/4
8:40 - Allen is pressured right and completes to Zay for 14 yards. Needed 20. Missed FG. 3/5
6:16 - We decide to take a shot down the left sideline. Josh is no where near accurate with Foster in single coverage. Throw is behind and OB left. 3/6
6:11 - Quick out to Mckenzie for 8 yards. 4/7
5:32 - Quick out to Mckenzie for a first down. 5/8
4:15 - Beautiful back shoulder throw to Foster for a big gain. 6/9
2:41 - Josh misses Zay back corner of the end zone. The throw is late and OB. 6/10
1:11 - Josh misses Mckenzie with the under throw. 6/11
1:07 - INT to seal the game. Bad pass. 6/12
Summary: 6/12 completed passes; two kinda bad throws (Zay and Mackenzie); one legit bad pass (Foster), one really bad pass (INT).
Game Summary: 18/36 completed passes; 5 kinda bad throws, 4 legit bad throws, 2 really bad throws, and one WOAT throw.
Let's give Josh the five questionable ones. Some of those he was under duress. Basically we're talking about 7 bad to terrible throws out of 36 attempts (almost 20%) which is really high for a QB. It's being masked because he also makes so many positive plays, both running and throwing. It's not about whether he can be accurate or not - clearly he can be pin point accurate - it's about the high variance between good and bad. I think this analysis helps illustrate that.
Can we win consistently with a QB who makes so many bad throws? I don't know, but let's at least all agree there is a problem with his accuracy.
Nice effort to do this. A couple of points:
* As others have noted you missed the Clay drop in the 1st quarter.
* I'm not sure how to handle throwaways as they are not necessarily bad passes. In fact I think we all can agree that it would have been good if he threw that first INT pass away.
* Down & distance also have a big impact on passing accuracy. Unlike most Bill's QB's over the last 20 years Allen actually tries to throw the ball PAST the 1st down marker on 2nd & 3rd and long.
* You state that throwing 7 inaccurate passes in 36 attempts is terrible by NFL standards. But is that true? Short of going back and charting a couple of random QB's who threw between 35 - 40 passes how do we know this? In my experience watching a typical NFL game in which a QB throws over 35 passes I typically see what I would call 5 - 10 bad throws. The other night in the Rams/Bears game featuring two of the better QB's in the league I believe that if we chartered their every throw both would have had bad throw percentages in the 20% range.
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Very superficial review IMO. I don't get these guys dwelling on ONE PLAY. It was a bad INT we get it - I bet Allen does to. You know what, if he makes that throw 2 - 3 times a SEASON I can live with it as long as he makes a whole lot of big plays along the way.
Last night I watched two of the better NFL QB's make some bad throws. Together these guys threw SIX INTERCEPTIONS - everyone of which looked to be a very bad throw. A fair and instructive review of Allen's passing game yesterday would obviously talk about the stupid INT he threw. But it would also showcase that wonderful throw from the pocket out of the end zone to convert a 3rd & 13. Allen showed nice understanding of the defense by using a fake throw to draw the safety away and then deliver an absolute laser strike to convert a HUGE 3rd down.
I'm fine with these guys talking to me about Allen's inconsistency - that's a fair topic and provides us with a better understanding of where Allen is and isn't progressing. But to obsess over A SINGLE BAD THROW which did not result in points for the Jets or deprive the Bills of points (it was a 1st & 25 play) is a sign of a couple of guys who want to prove that Allen is not very good.
I think it simply comes down to the fact that Allen rose real fast in last years draft and very few of these so called "experts" called it out that he would be a top 10 pick. Then in spite of their histrionic protestations that no one should waste a 1st round pick on him the Bills went and did just that. It's like these guys were insulted that the Bills didn't listen them.
IMO, so far so good with Allen. He has slightly exceeded my expectations and I had fairly high ones. He still has a lot to work on and we won't know for another couple of years whether he's the "guy". I'm fully aware of his current shortcomings but don't think that any of them are critical or things that he can't overcome. Whether he does will only be seen in the test of time. But I'm also a Bills fan and I want Allen to succeed badly. Why? Because if he doesn't we are back to the starting point in landing a franchise QB. That means we just lost 3 - 4 years and guaranteed that there will be no playoff runs while looking forward to a succession of mediocre wannabe QB's. Why would any rational Buffalo Bills fan want that?
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2 hours ago, PittsforDave said:
Allen reminds me of EJ Manuel. He has one good drive then goes into a lull. We need a complete game from our qb.
Three of Allen's first four drives were "good" and resulted in 17 points. Had Clay held on to the ball on the play BEFORE Allen lost the fumble and we might be talking about Allen having FOUR straight good drives to start the game.
Allen also had an excellent drive to close out the 1st half keeping the ball away from the Jets after the Bills were pinned deep in their own territory and giving them a chance to go into the locker room with 3 more points. It's not Allen's fault that a 49 yard FG attempt was blocked.
Allen also had an excellent drive to put the Bills up 23 - 20 with 2 minutes left in the game. So by my count credit Allen with 5 good drives.
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4 hours ago, reddogblitz said:
One thing is for certain. This wide open field in front of him will go away. Teams will watch "film" and game plan for it and figure out how to stop it. The strategy will be, make him be a QB. Then we'll see if he can adapt.
But there won't be a free ride for the defenses if they try to take away Allen's run game. Something has to give and while we probably won't see it this year as the Bills just don't have the RB (with Shady out) and TE personnel to exploit a team determined to take away Allen's running game, we should see it next year after we've updated the offense.
I agree with you about the NE game. Belicheck will move heaven & earth to stop Allen from running for 100 yards. If Allen can still make chunk plays on the ground against NE we might want to start considering that it's not easy to shut this aspect of his game down. I mean he has done it THREE games in a row which is unusual for a QB in the NFL. Clearly, no one has figured out how to stop Allen yet on the ground.
1 hour ago, Gugny said:The middle of the field is open because teams respect his ability to throw the ball. It's why the middle of the field was not similarly open for our starting QB for the past three years. Allen's not a one-trick pony.
Once he has receivers who can actually catch the ***** ball, this offense will be formidable.
Bingo! This is why we've struggled somewhat in the red zone. Think about it: Bills ball on their own 40 yard line with a 2nd & 5. Allen can throw the ball on a rope 35 yards or he can stiff arm a LB and run for 20 yards. That puts the defense in a bind because they have to cover a lot of field. Fast forward to the red zone where the field shrinks and the Bills don't have the TE/RB talent to catch a pass in tight spaces for a TD. Think about Gronk or KC's Kelcey or Komarra or McCaffrey. It's hard to stop those guys in the red zone. What do the Bills have beyond Allen running at that point? And now in the red zone the safeties don't have to worry about anything over 25 yards.
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2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:
I'm not sure if our receivers make the difference yesterday.
But I certainly believe Clay should have caught the pass in Miami, which would have been a win.
I believe the Jones drop put us in a 3rd and long instead of a 3rd and short and that we failed to convert and had to punt.
But the biggest drop for the 2nd week in a row was one by Clay. On 2nd & 7 he drops a nice throw that hit him in stride on a play that looks like it might have gone for 30 yards or more. So instead of 3rd & 7 we would have been deep in Jet's territory. On the next play Allen try's to run and is stripped of the ball which the Jet's recover and convert into a FG. So instead of going up 10 or 14 - 0 in the first quarter it's 7 - 3. That drop WAS a big play given how the game turned out.
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1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:
I’m going to say it...the Bills win that game if Barkley was at QB
Based on what? In a game where the Bills couldn't generate a running game outside of Allen scrambles and on a day when the O-line couldn't pass block we would have won because presumably Barkley would have been more accurate and efficient in checking down to Murphy on 3rd & long?
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23 minutes ago, mjt328 said:
I don't really care about GREAT catches.
I am more concerned about the constant DROPS.
Forget making the highlight play. Just make the easy ones, and this team improves by leaps and bounds.
I'm concerned about BOTH types of catches. Imagine game outcomes and Allen's passing stats if both of these things were true:
* fewer drops and,
* 1 or 2 highlight reel catches a game.
Add those things up and what do you have: wins against the Jets & Dolphins and another 75 - 100 yards added to Allen's passing stats.
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3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
The Allen highlight reel showed me four things:
* he made a number of excellent touch throws particularly on the first two TD drives.
* to watch the multiple 3rd down & long plays he converted with superb throws and then claim that Allen regressed in his passing game is to be deliberately obtuse.
* when Allen had time and could stand tall in the pocket he delivered some laser beams.
* with the exception of the TD run Allen's runs had two distinguishing features: 1) they chewed up chunk yardage and 2) he didn't take any real hits when running.
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A better question for this thread would have been:
"has any Buffalo WR, TE or RB made a catch worthy of showing over & over again on ESPN"?
The answer is ONE and that was the DeMarco garb of a poorly thrown Allen pass on a wheel rout. I do not recall a single other catch by a receiver that wasn't a better pass by Allen then catch by the receiver.
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3 hours ago, jrober38 said:
Some of his play is reminiscent of JP Losman though, where he'd drop 2 bombs in the first half and get us out to a lead, only to watch it wilt away in the 2nd half because he couldn't complete the passes that keep the chains (and clock) moving.
You're not the first poster to make this observation but it doesn't reflect yesterday's game:
* Allen made a number of short throws to move the sticks. Allen & the Bills converted 50% of their first downs. which isn't bad. In fact even when Buffalo didn't score they often moved the ball boosting their field position and giving the defense a breather.
* The numbers don't lie and the Bills had 24 first downs to the Jets 15; and the Bills had 33:47 minutes of TOP compared to just 26:13 for the Jets. The Bills also out gained the Jets 368 yards to 248 yards. The problem is that the Bills were not as good as the Jets in the red zone. This IMO is a result of their lack of weapons. As the field shrinks this is exposed in the red zone.
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Living down here in Cincinnati I'm fortunately spared the piss poor "expert" coverage of the Western NY sports media. Reading the stories this morning on the news feed here at Two Bills Drive was enough to make me nauseous. To be clear, I expect fair and constructive criticism of this team - particularly the QB. But the stuff I read this morning was over the top! There were a lot of reasons the Bills lost yesterday but Allen regressing was about 5th on the list.
These writers/reporters pay lip service to all the holes in the Bills offense, from the O-line to the absence of any skill player who strikes fear in the opposing team but they don't take the time to add up 2 + 2 = 4. They cry about Allen and his horrible passing as if he's playing QB in isolation. The reason Allen struggled AT TIMES yesterday in the passing game had more to do with the surrounding talent then Allen. Sure Allen had a terrible throw on his 1st INT but his second INT was a pedestrian NFL play in which the QB is picked off late in the game. You see that kind of INT multiple times ALMOST EVERY FREAKING WEEK in the NFL. Last night the Bears defense was all over the Rams and Goof threw 3 bad INT's. That's what happens when the pass rush is all over your QB. Throw in the other clear deficiencies and it's a wonder the Bills generated enough offense to be in a position to win the game.
I get that we fans are going to be crazy at times. Our expectations will go up and down like a balloon - soaring after a good game and being deflated after a poor game. We're fans that's what we do. But what's the excuse for these guys? They are paid "professionals" and frankly I think the average poster on two Bills Drive offers more accurate insight then the whole lot of the Western New York sports writers.
And while I'm on my rant, some of these sports writers are the most pessimistic people I have ever seen. My goodness they're like that cartoon character with the cloud hanging over his head. I don't want cheer leading about Allen from these guys but what we get instead is the polar opposite which is much worse.
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22 minutes ago, dubs said:
I think the vast majority of fans are level headed, fair minded and can see the progression of JA. That coupled with the relatively poor supporting cast, inconsistent fat-o and terrible WRs and say, “I think we have a lot to be excited about with JA”.
Then you have the small minority of fans that have taken up a crusade against JA, McD, Beane, Pegulas, and anyone else they can fit into the their crosshairs. They post the same things over and over. Start threads for every incompletion. It seems as though there are a ton of doubters. But in reality it’s just a very small percentage of people, which this poll seems to confirm.
The recent polls would support this 100%.
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1 hour ago, jrober38 said:
I just rewatched the Clay drop.
He's running a post route which gets on him a bit faster than he expected, and he reaches out his arms trying to pluck the ball below his waist, which while running up the field is a tough catch to make as he's initially looking for the ball over his shoulder and it comes in lower than expected.
Try it. Imagine you're looking for a ball over your shoulder, and then imagine the ball is thrown below your waist. That's not a natural catch position.
Should the ball have been caught? Yup.
Should the ball have been thrown better? Absolutely.
The issue is that even if caught, Clay is going to the ground, negating any run after catch because the ball is too low. It's an over the shoulder throw off play action that Allen needs to drop in bucket, and because there's no air under the ball Clay has to adjust his arm placement and winds up reaching down for the ball and dropping it.
It's an easy throw that Allen needs to make. Clay is literally wide open with no defender covering him and the pocket is totally clean.
Okay, we've now gone from the ball being at his ankle to his knees and now just below his waist. Talk about ball movement!
The pass was very well thrown and should have been caught for a 25 - 30 yard gain.
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2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:New York Jets 27-23 over Buffalo
Bills: B-
With the way Josh Allen is running, maybe the Bills should think about becoming an option team, because this throwing thing doesn't seem to working too well for their rookie quarterback. Although Allen had another huge game on the ground (nine carries, 101 yards, one touchdown), he threw two picks, including a crushing interception on Buffalo's final drive that killed any chances the Bills had of a comeback win.Serious question 26CornerBlitz do you buy into this statement describing today's game? To me it's a lazy review. For sure this was not a good passing effort by Allen but he had way to many good throws today to warrant a comment that seems to be saying he can't throw the ball. And to not throw in the abysmal pass protection and multiple drops in describing Allen's game is just plain wrong.
Reading this little blurb would lead someone who didn't watch the game to place all the blame on Allen for the Bills losing. And calling that last INT "devastating" is a bit over the top and seems like a comment a drama queen might make.
Look, I'm fine with fair criticism of Allen's play today. And for me, given all the circumstances, that mainly revolves around his poor ball protection. The 3 TO's were bad. But you can't ignore the other factors involving the Bills RB, O-Line, TE and WR play that contributed to the loss. Given the TOTAL effort by the offense today Allen played an okay game.
Oh and as I post this, I just saw Goff throw his 3rd INT right after Turbisky threw his 3rd pick.
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Barnwell: Progress Report on 2018 1st Round QBs
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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First thanks for linking to this article. I don't seek out national sports writers to read because I find them to generally be pretty piss poor at their job. So if I don't see it here on Two Bills Drive then I don't see it. And like others have said it is good to get outside our comfort zones and check out what others are saying about our team and our new QB.
But when I read one of these articles I look to see if there are statements delivered as "fact" that I know from my own observations are not. And this article is full of them. A few of my issues with Barwell's summary of the rookie QB's:
* I don't like that he supposedly looked at only the last 2 games closely and presumably didn't look at all their games closely. So what the hell is that supposed to tell us? The MOST IMPORTANT aspect of a rookie QB IMO is whether they are getting better and making progress. By definition his "analysis" can't answer that critical question.
* His take on the throw to Clay at the end of the game against the Dolphins was flat out wrong. That Clay stood there flat footed in the end zone moving to the ball to late; then stumbling so what little movement he made was to little; and then not caching a ball that hit him square in the hands is the correct description of that play. And I'm not seeing it through rose tinted pro Allen glasses to say that.
* After finishing his biased take on Allen I dove into his take on Darnold and right away was disappointed. If this guy ONLY looked at the last 2 games then how can he make a big deal about the lack of pass protection for Darnold and not Allen. I mean he just watched a game where Allen was HIT TEN TIMES by the Jets and Darnold was not touched ONCE by a Bill.
I could go on but it's a waste of electronic letters to further react to this guy.
BTW, I have no problem with objective criticism of Allen. I agree with those who say he has a LOT OF WORK to do and that there are elements of his game that need to improve. But that being said it's not "homerism" to believe we may have found the franchise QB that has eluded us for 20 years. Allen remains a work in progress and he may fall short of expectations but right now he's improving by the game and has already showed us stuff that qualifies as a big fat wow!